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Kurtz said:
You've proposed exchanging Marner for a number of vets and the 8th overall pick. Making us worse in the short term, but giving us a lottery ticket that has a chance to hit several years from now.

We're a lot closer to the cup than we were in the Bozak and Kessel years, largely because now we have superstars and no longer need to rely on Bozak to be our #1C.

The Kadri trade was a disaster and it's insane that you view it as something to emulate.
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I would NEVER suggest adding a Kerfoot or Barrie type player. Also - I would never suggest trading Marner for a player that makes 75% of Marner's salary like Kerfoot/Kadri. I would never suggest taking on salary in a Marner deal.

Brobust said:
Then why try to weaken that asset by attaching an older player to it?

If the pick/younger player is the focal point, then try to get the best one possible.
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I am very high on some of the prospects projected to go top 10.
 
Buds17 said:
I don't know how well that might work out for Keller considering the amount of term left on his contract? Aside from that, it wouldn't appear to be in the best interests of that franchise to acquire a player in return that's much closer to reaching UFA status than Keller is.
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The contract is definitely the one caveat that makes this tough for them, Marner UFA in 2 years would likely leave unless he loves it there. But for a new market having a superstar like that will draw in a ton of attention and immediate wins. If the owner wants something like that this deal would be tempting

I think regardless if Keller asks to be moved he will be moved. The question will be how quickly will that occur, do they do it in the summer or take their time like with Chychrun? There's been reports that the Coyotes stay in Arizona this year though which will likely negate this deal as an option.

BertCorbeau said:
If we’re moving him to Arizona I might prefer to base a deal around Crouse and their 6th OA pick.

Not that interested in Schmaltz
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I think picks for Marner is too much of a mystery box tbh. #6 could be good but it'll take a couple years for the player to make an impact and who knows if he'll be near the level we require
 
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leafsfan5 said:
The contract is definitely the one caveat that makes this tough for them, Marner UFA in 2 years would likely leave unless he loves it there. But for a new market having a superstar like that will draw in a ton of attention and immediate wins. If the owner wants something like that this deal would be tempting

I think regardless if Keller asks to be moved he will be moved. The question will be how quickly will that occur, do they do it in the summer or take their time like with Chychrun? There's been reports that the Coyotes stay in Arizona this year though which will likely negate this deal as an option.


I think picks for Marner is too much of a mystery box tbh. #6 could be good but it'll take a couple years for the player to make an impact and who knows if he'll be near the level we require
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That team likely isn't going anywhere productive in the near future if a player under contract for another five seasons can dictate an exit. I suppose I'm wondering why Marner couldn't do the same thing given that he'd presumably have the greater amount of leverage due to the shorter term on his contract?

For our part, I'd imagine and hope we prioritize the path of now over the future. My preference would still be to change the coach over making any major trade. Suppose we'll need to have the GM question answered prior to any other activity occurring though?
 
leafsfan5 said:
The contract is definitely the one caveat that makes this tough for them, Marner UFA in 2 years would likely leave unless he loves it there. But for a new market having a superstar like that will draw in a ton of attention and immediate wins. If the owner wants something like that this deal would be tempting

I think regardless if Keller asks to be moved he will be moved. The question will be how quickly will that occur, do they do it in the summer or take their time like with Chychrun? There's been reports that the Coyotes stay in Arizona this year though which will likely negate this deal as an option.


I think picks for Marner is too much of a mystery box tbh. #6 could be good but it'll take a couple years for the player to make an impact and who knows if he'll be near the level we require
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For me it’s adding a 25 year old Crouse signed for 4 more years. A powerforward entering his prime in a good deal is a good piece, and then the 6th OA pick is a nice coup for the future.

Also frees up a bunch of cap space to allocate elsewhere on the roster.
 
I think they fire Keefe and then run it back basically the same again.

Unfortunately that essentially handcuffs you pertaining to Matthews so they will have to give him whatever he wants as they can't let him walk for free.

The big worry is I'm not sure Matthews' body is built for an 82 game season + deep playoff run.
 
Kurtz said:
Does trading a dollar for quarters often work out? For example, Calgary traded a dollar for quarters this past off-season and went from top of the West to a joke. Florida picked up their dollar for a few quarters and we see the results for them.

I can't think of too many teams who came out ahead by trading their young superstar for pieces.
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Such revisionist history

Florida got in because Pitt got beat by chicago and Columbus and they were so bad Keith got on Toronto media and called them soft.

Despite all their coaching issues the bottom line is Calgary lost because their vezina finalist goalie broke…. And floridas broken goalie remembered he is a vezina winner

Weegar huby 1 for tkachuk is a great deal.

I would do weegar huby 1 for Marner in a second

Brobust said:
I think Lucas Raymond is the best target if they're going to trade Marner.
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Detroit needs. To compete. That might be the best option.
 
Legion34 said:
Such revisionist history

Florida got in because Pitt got beat by chicago and Columbus and they were so bad Keith got on Toronto media and called them soft.

Despite all their coaching issues the bottom line is Calgary lost because their vezina finalist goalie broke…. And floridas broken goalie remembered he is a vezina winner

Weegar huby 1 for tkachuk is a great deal.

I would do weegar huby 1 for Marner in a second



Detroit needs. To compete. That might be the best option.
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Lol that would be a horrible deal.

Jesus, what are some of you smoking?
 
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Legion34 said:
The more I think about it…. Could a Washington marner deal make sense?

They are all in to get ovy the record. They won’t rebuild.
Backstrom isn’t a good player anymore. Marner could feed ovy

They have the 8th overall pick…..

Could Wilson and the 8th pick work? If backstrom is LTIR they could do it easily….

I don’t know what would be enough.


I still think a marner for Meier (signed for 8.5 ish) plus makes sense.
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I have been thinking a MM to Caps deal too.
Their goal is to get Ovie the records and what’s better way to get him there by getting the best playmaker winger in the game.
Wilson, Mantha and the 8th pick would change the dynamics of our top 6 right away.
 
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Legion34 said:
Top pairing RHD. 80-100 pt winger 1st for a 100 pt winger.

Pretty easy
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Huberdeau makes 10.5 mil for the next 8 years, all the way through age 37. He's softer than Marner and significantly worse defensively. He just had a 55 point season.

Weegar is fine, although turnover prone and overrated and also signed until he's 37.

Combined, these 2 make $17 mil/year for the next 8 years.

And you'd take that on in exchange for 26 year old, 100 point, selke nominee, ppg career playoffs, Marner.


Is there any sense left at all on these boards, or is everyone just a complete prisoner of the moment?
 
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Kurtz said:
Huberdeau makes 10.5 mil for the next 8 years, all the way through age 37. He's softer than Marner and significantly worse defensively. He just had a 55 point season.

Weegar is fine, although turnover prone and overrated and also signed until he's 37.

Combined, these 2 make $17 mil/year for the next 8 years.

And you'd take that on in exchange for 26 year old, 100 point, selke nominee, ppg career playoffs, Marner.


Is there any sense left at all on these boards?
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You basing on this past season. If it was last summer, that’s not a bad deal.
Essentially, you get a LW who produces the same as MM plus a RHD who is as good as Reilly.
 
Kurtz said:
Huberdeau makes 10.5 mil for the next 8 years, all the way through age 37. He's softer than Marner and significantly worse defensively. He just had a 55 point season.

Weegar is fine, although turnover prone and overrated and also signed until he's 37.

Combined, these 2 make $17 mil/year for the next 8 years.

And you'd take that on in exchange for 26 year old, 100 point, selke nominee, ppg career playoffs, Marner.


Is there any sense left at all on these boards, or is everyone just a complete prisoner of the moment?
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What do you think that marner will get?

And weegar is clearly a top pair RHD.

I can just say marner is over rated or smells bad or anything I want too

It’s not a logical conversation
 
Legion34 said:
What do you think that marner will get?

And weegar is clearly a top pair RHD.

I can just say marner is over rated or smells bad or anything I want too

It’s not a logical conversation
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I agree, it's not a logical conversation. These are lunatic takes.

What possible number can Marner get (in 2 years) that would be worse than having Huberdau at a $10.5 mil cap hit during his age 30-37 seasons?
 
Kurtz said:
I agree, it's not a logical conversation. These are lunatic takes.

What possible number can Marner get (in 2 years) that would be worse than having Huberdau at a $10.5 mil cap hit during his age 30-37 seasons?
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14????

Also….. that wasn’t the contract? At all? He didn’t have a 10.5 million hit.
 
Legion34 said:
14????

Also….. that wasn’t the contract? At all? He didn’t have a 10.5 million hit.
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If you think Mitch will get 14 a year, your opinion of him is higher than mine, which makes your desire to trade him for one of the worst contracts in the league in Huberdeau even more confusing. Even if Weegar is included.

When Huberdeau was traded, he had 1 year left on his deal. He got a contract of $10.5 mil for 8 years which is coming into effect this year and runs until the 2030-2031 season, when he'll be 37.
 
Kurtz said:
If you think Mitch will get 14 a year, your opinion of him is higher than mine, which makes your desire to trade him for one of the worst contracts in the league in Huberdeau even more confusing. Even if Weegar is included.

When Huberdeau was traded, he had 1 year left on his deal. He got a contract of $10.5 mil for 8 years which is coming into effect this year and runs until the 2030-2031 season, when he'll be 37.
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That would be too high… I don’t know what he will get….
I do think you would be re signing him for more than 10.5 at 29… or are you letting him walk for free?

IF a you make the decision to trade for marner with 2 years left at 11 million.

Getting a 110 pt winger. Top pair d and a 1st from a presidents trophy team is a good deal.
How huberdeau played under Sutter doesn’t change that
 
Americanadian said:
My current "competing" roster for next year would have:

Marner for Wilson+8OA
Brodie+Jarnkrok for Perron
28OA for Demelo+Niederreiter
Sign Bertuzzi (6M)+Rodrigues (3M)

Run:
Knies-Matthews-Wilson
Bertuzzi-Tavares-Niederreiter
Perron-Rodrigues-Nylander

Or some combination of that top 9. Assuming Nylander/Matthews are re-signed.
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You didnt dump Matt Murray. Thats 4.6M of cap wasted should dump him

Like moving brodie whose beginning to fall off
 
What about Wilson and Carlson from the Caps?

1st trade
Marner and Lilly(reunite the Swedes)

Wilson, Carlson, 8th overall pick

2nd trade

Brodie for Adam Lowry

Third trade
Murray and Robertson
To whoever for a 6 round pick

Sign Bertuzzi and Domi
Resign Sammy

Wilson Matthews Nylander
Tavares Domi Bertuzzi
Knies Lowry Jarnkrok
Acciari Holmberg Lafferty

Wilson, Domi, Bertuzzi, Lowry definitely add a physical element that can play well.
That forward group would be damn tough to play against.

McCabe Carlson(bomb from the point)
Rielly Schenn
Giordano Timmins or FA

Samsonov
Woll
 
Legion34 said:
That would be too high… I don’t know what he will get….
I do think you would be re signing him for more than 10.5 at 29… or are you letting him walk for free?

IF a you make the decision to trade for marner with 2 years left at 11 million.

Getting a 110 pt winger. Top pair d and a 1st from a presidents trophy team is a good deal.
How huberdeau played under Sutter doesn’t change that
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Unlike Marner, Huberdeau is strictly offense. He is a defensive liability. I truly wouldn’t take that contract for free.
 
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