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Americanadian said:
The main boards, although flawed, are not an echo chamber like this board. I am not trying to say the main board is the be all end all of player evaluation but I do think that board is more grounded in reality than this board. I understand that you think I have Marner's value completely wrong but at the end of the day that's your opinion and it matters as little as mine.


I'd do it in a heartbeat which makes me wonder why Ottawa would. Greig was reported to be a non-starter in the Chychrun deal which happened 2 months ago. I'd be shocked if the org has lost faith in him over that time period.
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I actually didn't know about the Greig non-starter in the Chychrun deal. Kind of surprising, to be honest. I mean, he's a valuable player, but I don't consider him that level of valuable. I guess part of my evaluation of Greig also comes from reading Sens fans comments (yeah, I know, not the best info source). They value him, but have some of the same concerns we've had with guys like Soshnikov, Robertson, and Kase......too reckless and aggressive resulting in injuries.
 
4thline said:
A little context on what high end forwards have been traded for recently

Tkachuk (w/ extension) - Huberdeau and Weegar- both on expiring deals
Eichel (4 years) - Tuch + Krebs + 1st + 2nd
Fiala (w/extension) - 19th overall + Faber

We can argue till we're blue in the face about Marner being better than Fiala, less injured than Eichel etc. but there's a very strong counter argument that 2 years at 10.9 vs. 7 year at 7.9, 4 years at 10, 8 years at 9.5 goes a very long way to bringing him into that asset tier.
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Interesting comparisons. Here's another way to use those trades to see what a Marner trade might look like:

Tkachuk: Calgary sputters and misses playoffs. Florida still playing.
Eichel: Buffalo still sucks. Vegas still playing.
Fiala a bit irrelevant. Not in the same tier.
 
4thline said:
Missed this reply. Wright is tough. Is he the Krebs value piece in an Eichel return (Bjorkstrand+Wright+20th/2024 1st+ 50th) or the Schenn value piece in a Richards return (Wright+ Tolvanen)

One of those is a hell of a lot more appealing than the other
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Good question.

Malachi Crunch said:
I actually didn't know about the Greig non-starter in the Chychrun deal. Kind of surprising, to be honest. I mean, he's a valuable player, but I don't consider him that level of valuable. I guess part of my evaluation of Greig also comes from reading Sens fans comments (yeah, I know, not the best info source). They value him, but have some of the same concerns we've had with guys like Soshnikov, Robertson, and Kase......too reckless and aggressive resulting in injuries.
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Americanadian said:
My current "competing" roster for next year would have:

Marner for Wilson+8OA
Brodie+Jarnkrok for Perron
28OA for Demelo+Niederreiter
Sign Bertuzzi+Raymond

Run:
Knies-Matthews-Wilson
Bertuzzi-Tavares-Niederreiter
Perron-Rodrigues-Nylander

Or some combination of that top 9. Assuming Nylander/Matthews are re-signed.
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No way in hell do I want to sign Wilson to an extension.
 
Brobust said:
No way in hell do I want to sign Wilson to an extension.
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Then don't. Go after Debrusk with that money or Pesce or Hanifin or Toews or Reinhart or Guentzel or Lindholm. Depending on how he does next season and what his term ask is I would re-sign him. He still paced 30 goals this year. If he puts out a 25/25 season while returning to being a positive defensive player I would give him a 5Mx4 contract at 30.
 
Americanadian said:
My current "competing" roster for next year would have:

Marner for Wilson+8OA
Brodie+Jarnkrok for Perron
28OA for Demelo+Niederreiter
Sign Bertuzzi+Raymond

Run:
Knies-Matthews-Wilson
Bertuzzi-Tavares-Niederreiter
Perron-Rodrigues-Nylander

Or some combination of that top 9. Assuming Nylander/Matthews are re-signed.
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I personally love the idea of wilson and bertuzzi.
 
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Americanadian said:
Then don't. Go after Debrusk with that money or Pesce or Hanifin or Toews or Reinhart or Guentzel or Lindholm. Depending on how he does next season and what his term ask is I would re-sign him. He still paced 30 goals this year. If he puts out a 25/25 season while returning to being a positive defensive player I would give him a 5Mx4 contract at 30.
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Wilson is going to be in demand so your contract projection comes across as a joke.

I'm not trading Marner for a year of Wilson or giving Wilson an albatross contract that he'll demand because will be in high demand as a UFA.
 
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Brobust said:
Wilson is going to be in demand so your contract projection comes across as a joke.

I'm not trading Marner for a year of Wilson or giving Wilson an albatross contract that he'll demand because will be in high demand as a UFA.
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8OA is the high end asset in this trade.
 
To Toronto: Michael Rasmussen
To Detroit: TJ Brodie + Nick Robertson

UFA Signing: Ryan Graves
 
WestCoastLeafs said:
Interesting comparisons. Here's another way to use those trades to see what a Marner trade might look like:

Tkachuk: Calgary sputters and misses playoffs. Florida still playing.
Eichel: Buffalo still sucks. Vegas still playing.
Fiala a bit irrelevant. Not in the same tier.
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That's a highly misleading take on the impact of the Eichel trade on Buffalo. Finished 1 point out of a playoff spot, huge year over year improvement (and indeed much better single season result than they ever had with Eichel) with nothing resembling a starting goalie on the roster and the majority of the (potential) return as yet unrealized.
 
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Americanadian said:
I'd argue the complete opposite. I'd say Marner's value is overrated here. He's a great player, borderline top 10 in the league, but he's 2 years away from UFA. The team needs an infusion of young talent and a top 10 pick is a step in the right direction.


Maybe the Calgary deal but I still doubt it. Go post those on the main boards and report back with the reception.
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So your idea of an infusion of young talent is to trade 26 year old Marner (first team NHL, 100 point selke nominee) for a vet who is breaking down in Wilson and a pick that won't be in the NHL for 3 years, has about a 50% chance of being a bust and close to a 0% chance of being as good as Marner?

Brilliant.
 
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Kurtz said:
So your idea of an infusion of young talent is to trade 26 year old Marner (first team NHL, 100 point selke nominee) for a vet who is breaking down in Wilson and a pick that won't be in the NHL for 3 years, has about a 50% chance of being a bust and close to a 0% chance of being as good as Marner?

Brilliant.
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I wasn't the one who proposed this. My 2 proposals for Marner in this thread were Marner for Mercer, Bastian and Marner for Jarvis, Morrow.

I do think the Wilson proposal is good though. I don't value Marner as highly as this board - not due to pure talent, I think he's a top 10 player, but due to contract situation. 8OA in a deep draft is not a 0% chance to become Marner.
 
Marner for Keller + Schmaltz

Clayton Keller's dad said he will not stay with the Coyotes. If Arizona is indeed moving to Salt Lake, they'll want a star player to be the new face of their franchise. Who better than magic Mitch?
 
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Kurtz said:
So your idea of an infusion of young talent is to trade 26 year old Marner (first team NHL, 100 point selke nominee) for a vet who is breaking down in Wilson and a pick that won't be in the NHL for 3 years, has about a 50% chance of being a bust and close to a 0% chance of being as good as Marner?

Brilliant.
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I don't like that particular trade, but I think that we can come away a better team with the proverbial 4 quarters trade.
Following the Eichel template
Top-6 Forward making 5m for 3-5 more years + top prospect ready to step in + 1st rounder+ 2nd rounder +Use the 5.9 we save on another forward at UFA.

No one player as good as Marner, but (assuming Nylander is re-signed) we still have an elite 1st line RW, two new proven top 6 guys, Knies + another top prospect stepping into the lineup cheaply, and a 1st + 2nd that can either be used to restock the pool for a wider contention window, or provide the base of a deal for another d-man.
 
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leafsfan5 said:
Marner for Keller + Schmaltz

Clayton Keller's dad said he will not stay with the Coyotes. If Arizona is indeed moving to Salt Lake, they'll want a star player to be the new face of their franchise. Who better than magic Mitch?
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If we’re moving him to Arizona I might prefer to base a deal around Crouse and their 6th OA pick.

Not that interested in Schmaltz
 
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WillNy29 said:
that's still a terrible trade LOL
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I'd still do it. Jeannot is going to a fine bottom 6 player. Tomasino will be a more impactful players (offense+defense) at a more premium position than Nylander. Overall they would have been 5M cheaper this season as well.

It's hard for me to respect your opinion as unbiased given your username.
 
I've got moving Marner to Calgary for Lindholm + Andersson
Our 1st + Murray + rights to Holl/Bunting for Jack McBain
Resign Samsanov 3 x $3 mil
Resign Acciari 2 x $1.25mil
Resign Schenn 2 x $2mil
Sign Bertuzzi 3 x $5.5 mil
Sign Killorn 3. x $5 mil
Sign Comtois 2 x $1.4 mil
 
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