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The more I think about it…. Could a Washington marner deal make sense?

They are all in to get ovy the record. They won’t rebuild.
Backstrom isn’t a good player anymore. Marner could feed ovy

They have the 8th overall pick…..

Could Wilson and the 8th pick work? If backstrom is LTIR they could do it easily….

I don’t know what would be enough.


I still think a marner for Meier (signed for 8.5 ish) plus makes sense.
 
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Legion34 said:
The more I think about it…. Could a Washington marner deal make sense?

Could Wilson and the 8th pick work?
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I like it. Feels like Toronto would have to add something. Maybe Robertson, maybe something smaller.

WSH is apparently (according to Friedman) moving Kuznetsov this off-season so cap space will definitely not be an issue.
 
Legion34 said:
I don’t think Wilson and the 8th is anywhere near good enough value.
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I think 8OA is the big asset here. I also think Wilson holds value beyond his point totals. His underlying numbers were worrisome this year and there is fear that he is no longer the player he was in his prime but he's a different player than the Leafs have had. He was very good the 2 seasons prior to this year, especially given his contract. I do think Wilson would re-sign in Toronto. I'd just be happy getting a top 10 pick.
 
One player has arguably not reached his prime. The other player is likely past his best days. That trade will be the start of our downfall.

When thinking of trading Marner a core piece at C or D needs to come back, as you can't really get an upgrade on the wing. And limiting to Western Conference here.

Think of guys like:

Miro Heiskanen
Quinn Hughes
Rasmus Andersson + Elias Lindholm
Quinton Byfield + Brandt Clarke

Thinking big here.
 
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Amadeus said:
One player has arguably not reached his prime. The other player is likely past his best days. That trade will be the start of our downfall.

When thinking of trading Marner a core piece at C or D needs to come back, as you can't really get an upgrade on the wing. And limiting to Western Conference here.

Think of guys like:

Miro Heiskanen
Quinn Hughes
Rasmus Andersson + Elias Lindholm
Quinton Byfield + Brandt Clarke

Thinking big here.
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Heiskanen is signed. No chance
Hughes is signed. No chance
Calgary is dollar in dollae
Our

La has no cap.

I really don’t see a trade
Unless it’s with the isles for a D and like pageu
Or detroit for edvisson and Raymond

Or Washington if they could give us somethjng
 
Amadeus said:
One player has arguably not reached his prime. The other player is likely past his best days. That trade will be the start of our downfall.
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Agreed on this assuming you're talking about Marner for Wilson BUT you are ignoring 8OA.
Amadeus said:
Think of guys like:

Miro Heiskanen
Quinn Hughes
Rasmus Andersson + Elias Lindholm
Quinton Byfield + Brandt Clarke

Thinking big here.
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I don't think Marner gets any of those players/packages.
 
Americanadian said:
I think 8OA is the big asset here. I also think Wilson holds value beyond his point totals. His underlying numbers were worrisome this year and there is fear that he is no longer the player he was in his prime but he's a different player than the Leafs have had. He was very good the 2 seasons prior to this year, especially given his contract. I do think Wilson would re-sign in Toronto. I'd just be happy getting a top 10 pick.
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Over/under on number of games until Wilson getting suspended as a Leaf is real low, though
 
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ya I don’t see a good trade option for marner. I think we keep him

Unless it’s bratt/meier and nemec. I don’t see it

There is nothing out west.
 
You guys are too much prisoners of the moment with respect to Marner. Some of the stuff you're suggesting now you would have laughed at yourselves 2 weeks ago. None of you were suggesting we trade Marner for a vet on the downside of his career and a pick we won't see in the NHL for 3 years when Marner had 11 points in 6 games vs Tampa.

That said, I'd love to get Wilson. Just not at that price.
 
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Kurtz said:
You guys are too much prisoners of the moment with respect to Marner. Some of the stuff you're suggesting now you would have laughed at yourselves 2 weeks ago. None of you were suggesting we trade Marner for a vet on the downside of his career and a pick we won't see in the NHL for 3 years when Marner had 11 points in 6 games vs Tampa.
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I'd argue the complete opposite. I'd say Marner's value is overrated here. He's a great player, borderline top 10 in the league, but he's 2 years away from UFA. The team needs an infusion of young talent and a top 10 pick is a step in the right direction.

Jozay said:
Marner could easily get those last two deals.
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Maybe the Calgary deal but I still doubt it. Go post those on the main boards and report back with the reception.
 
Before any trades are made, there has to be some sort of decision on philosophical style that the Leafs are playing.

For the last several years, a majority of draft picks and overall line-up configuration has been has been this focus on skill over everything.

So is the strategy to continue with loading up on skill or are they willing to grind out regular season victories in hope that the style continues into the playoffs. For the last several regular seasons, I have not been worried in the slightest that they would finish in the top half of the Eastern Conference. But changing the style of play actually concerns me.

Removing Marner from the line-up you give up creativity, PK ability and the ability to create something seemingly out of nothing. Can someone be brought in to give him that space in the playoffs or does he continue to shrink when the game gets more physical regardless of who's on his line.
 
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A smaller deal:

Nicholas Robertson for Ridly Greig (Sens)

Why Toronto does it:
We get a mouthy, relentless forechecker who is fast and known to play a 200 foot game. He'd be perfect for the bottom 6 and the type of player we want more of.

Why Ottawa does it:
Ottawa fans are bit concerned that Greig plays too recklessly for his frame and gets injured often. Greig is 6' though and has time to fill in. It's worth a gamble for Toronto, as he's still very cheap ($863,00) and signed until 2025.

Robertson can go to an Ottawa team that already has physical forwareds and can changes his role into a perimeter goal scorer. Can be great for Ottawa if he learns how to not get injured.
 
I think people need to be more open to the idea of a package deal. If Marner's being moved and Matthew's signed long term the window instantly shifts to the duration of Matthews contract. That increases the value of futures and the incentive to have layers to a trade return that help us both now and later.

You're also making the trade for two primary reasons (in no particular order)- to shake up the room, and to change the cap structure of the roster. Ways to do the latter
-straight up for a high priced defender
-for assets with lower cap hits
 
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Americanadian said:
I'd argue the complete opposite. I'd say Marner's value is overrated here. He's a great player, borderline top 10 in the league, but he's 2 years away from UFA. The team needs an infusion of young talent and a top 10 pick is a step in the right direction.


Maybe the Calgary deal but I still doubt it. Go post those on the main boards and report back with the reception.
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Why would I gauge the value of a trade on the main boards lol, but I still believe non stupid fans would do those deal

You have Marners value completely wrong.
 
Jozay said:
Why would I gauge the value of a trade of on the main boards lol

You have Marners value completely wrong.
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The main boards, although flawed, are not an echo chamber like this board. I am not trying to say the main board is the be all end all of player evaluation but I do think that board is more grounded in reality than this board. I understand that you think I have Marner's value completely wrong but at the end of the day that's your opinion and it matters as little as mine.

Malachi Crunch said:
A smaller deal:

Nicholas Robertson for Ridly Greig (Sens)

Why Toronto does it:
We get a mouthy, relentless forechecker who is fast and known to play a 200 foot game. He'd be perfect for the bottom 6 and the type of player we want more of.

Why Ottawa does it:
Ottawa fans are bit concerned that Greig plays too recklessly for his frame and gets injured often. Greig is 6' though and has time to fill in. It's worth a gamble for Toronto, as he's still very cheap ($863,00) and signed until 2025.

Robertson can go to an Ottawa team that already has physical forwareds and can changes his role into a perimeter goal scorer. Can be great for Ottawa if he learns how to not get injured.
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I'd do it in a heartbeat which makes me wonder why Ottawa would. Greig was reported to be a non-starter in the Chychrun deal which happened 2 months ago. I'd be shocked if the org has lost faith in him over that time period.
 
If I could convert Marner and Nylander into 4 50-60 point guys with ok to good defensive impact through a combination of trades and free agency, I would give it serious consideration.

As an example:

Lucas Raymond (Marner trade)
Tyler Bertuzzi (UFA)
JT Compher (UFA)
Evan Rodrigues (UFA)

You would then have enough depth as well as the futures from both Marner and Nylander trades. Setting the team up to be competitive now and the future.
 
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A little context on what high end forwards have been traded for recently

Tkachuk (w/ extension) - Huberdeau and Weegar- both on expiring deals
Eichel (4 years) - Tuch + Krebs + 1st + 2nd
Fiala (w/extension) - 19th overall + Faber

We can argue till we're blue in the face about Marner being better than Fiala, less injured than Eichel etc. but there's a very strong counter argument that 2 years at 10.9 vs. 7 year at 7.9, 4 years at 10, 8 years at 9.5 goes a very long way to bringing him into that asset tier.
 
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If I could convert Marner and Nylander into 4 50-60 point guys with ok to good defensive impact through a combination of trades and free agency, I would give it serious consideration.

As an example:

Lucas Raymond (Marner trade)
Tyler Bertuzzi (UFA)
JT Compher (UFA)
Evan Rodrigues (UFA)

You would then have enough depth as well as the futures from both Marner and Nylander trades. Setting the team up to be competitive now and the future.
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Compher and Rodrigues. Yuck.
 
Brobust said:
If I could convert Marner and Nylander into 4 50-60 point guys with ok to good defensive impact through a combination of trades and free agency, I would give it serious consideration.

As an example:

Lucas Raymond (Marner trade)
Tyler Bertuzzi (UFA)
JT Compher (UFA)
Evan Rodrigues (UFA)

You would then have enough depth as well as the futures from both Marner and Nylander trades. Setting the team up to be competitive now and the future.
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My current "competing" roster for next year would have:

Marner for Wilson+8OA
Brodie+Jarnkrok for Perron
28OA for Demelo+Niederreiter
Sign Bertuzzi (6M)+Rodrigues (3M)

Run:
Knies-Matthews-Wilson
Bertuzzi-Tavares-Niederreiter
Perron-Rodrigues-Nylander

Or some combination of that top 9. Assuming Nylander/Matthews are re-signed.
 
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Americanadian said:
Wright concerns me. His production has consistently dipped in the playoffs. I’d take a chance on him in a Marner deal but I’d want a significant add. All of Goyette/Firkus/Winterton are intriguing. Tolvanen would probably be the player I’d focus on from the roster given his age.
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Missed this reply. Wright is tough. Is he the Krebs value piece in an Eichel return (Bjorkstrand+Wright+20th/2024 1st+ 50th) or the Schenn value piece in a Richards return (Wright+ Tolvanen)

One of those is a hell of a lot more appealing than the other
 
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