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I would love a defenseman that could log some steady minutes, and not look like their hair is on fire.
Possible trade and roster fixes for the Wings, Part III
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I would love a defenseman that could log some steady minutes, and not look like their hair is on fire.
detredWINgs
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Those were two premier veteran offensive defenseman. I wouldn't worry about Keith Yandle or Andrei Markov finding their game in Detroit. Edler - and almost anyone else, including Girardi - are a different story.
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Andrew MacDonlad. Try to get him @4.5x 5
He'd slot right into the top 4 no problem. The Isles use him as a #1 and he can't cut it. He'd also be a nice partner for Smith IMO(or Sproul down the road)
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Edler I agree. Girardi would look great next to Kronwall, I think he'd be a great addition. Don't like the potential asking price though. Have a feeling he'll get around 6.5 for 7 years or so.
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Well it worked out real well for the Islanders...
Unless we're getting a piece that can fit into the long term plans I hope that we stand pat. We should continue to replace the older parts of this team with youth. We've already seen Bertuzzi, Cleary & Samuelsson replaced next year Quincey will be replaced by Ouellet/Marchenko.
If we can add a Stuart like player for a 2nd+3rd I'm all for it but the 1st should be off limits.
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Nobody knows who we trade or if we trade at all, yet this thread is full of speculation on a number of players.
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I'm more concerned about our blue line than anything else. It is comprised mostly of younger players, and we have some guys coming on that should be NHLers in the next several years.
I think at this point you can say that Kronwall, Ericsson, and DeKeyser are our 3 most reliable d-men. Smith has been a bit of a mystery for us, showing a lot of skill and nastiness at times, and then making dumbdumb decisions at others. Kindl has been fairly disappointing to this point. I think he has peaked under Babcock as a 3rd pair ES kinda guy and 2nd PP unit player, who could play more in case of injury, etc. But he, much like Hudler, Filppula, and others, will never be his best under Babcock. Quincey hopefully walks this summer in FA.
I think at some point you have to make a move for an established RH D. It is a glaring hole on our team. It makes breakouts and defending less conventional at times, and in the past has made us use players of Samuelsson's ilk on the power play. Unloading Smith and/ or Kindl + Almqvist (another guy I don't see hacking it by Babcock's standards) + whatever other piece may be asked for a guy like Girardi, or someone similar, may not be a bad move. I'm trying to imagine our team in 2-3 years time.
Something like...
Kronwall - Girardi/ other RH acquisition
DeKeyser - Sproul
Ericsson - Marchenko
Ouellet
guys like Kronwall, Girardi, DeKeyser, Ericsson can PK. Kronwall + Sproul could be our 1st PP pair, with any of the other 4 being more than capable of playing on the 2nd pair (some better than others) + use of forwards on points is still an option.
The only real blow would be losing Smith, but if he could bring in something we don't have on our team/ in the system, I think you have to take a long look at that move. Smith doesn't necessarily do anything that guys like Kronwall, Ericsson, Ouellet, DeKeyser, even Kindl for now as a LH D don't/ can't do. If Smith was RH I would cling to him for dear life as he helps hold the offensive zone cycle and offers a different option on break outs, but he is redundant as a left handed shot. While having an even split of LH and RH isn't essential, it definitely helps coaches match lines and creates a little extra time and space in certain situations.
I think at this point you can say that Kronwall, Ericsson, and DeKeyser are our 3 most reliable d-men. Smith has been a bit of a mystery for us, showing a lot of skill and nastiness at times, and then making dumbdumb decisions at others. Kindl has been fairly disappointing to this point. I think he has peaked under Babcock as a 3rd pair ES kinda guy and 2nd PP unit player, who could play more in case of injury, etc. But he, much like Hudler, Filppula, and others, will never be his best under Babcock. Quincey hopefully walks this summer in FA.
I think at some point you have to make a move for an established RH D. It is a glaring hole on our team. It makes breakouts and defending less conventional at times, and in the past has made us use players of Samuelsson's ilk on the power play. Unloading Smith and/ or Kindl + Almqvist (another guy I don't see hacking it by Babcock's standards) + whatever other piece may be asked for a guy like Girardi, or someone similar, may not be a bad move. I'm trying to imagine our team in 2-3 years time.
Something like...
Kronwall - Girardi/ other RH acquisition
DeKeyser - Sproul
Ericsson - Marchenko
Ouellet
guys like Kronwall, Girardi, DeKeyser, Ericsson can PK. Kronwall + Sproul could be our 1st PP pair, with any of the other 4 being more than capable of playing on the 2nd pair (some better than others) + use of forwards on points is still an option.
The only real blow would be losing Smith, but if he could bring in something we don't have on our team/ in the system, I think you have to take a long look at that move. Smith doesn't necessarily do anything that guys like Kronwall, Ericsson, Ouellet, DeKeyser, even Kindl for now as a LH D don't/ can't do. If Smith was RH I would cling to him for dear life as he helps hold the offensive zone cycle and offers a different option on break outs, but he is redundant as a left handed shot. While having an even split of LH and RH isn't essential, it definitely helps coaches match lines and creates a little extra time and space in certain situations.
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How about create offense? He's matched Kronwall's ES production this year per 60 minutes played. He has matched or outperformed Shea Weber, Cam Fowler, and Keith Yandle in Even Strength production per 60 minutes played.
If he was given PP time I have very little doubts he would be a .4-.5 ppg player and put up around 35-45 pts.
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Guys like Sproul, Marchenko, Girardi can replace that by committee. Plus scoring isn't always our issue. We have trouble holding leads, that much is very clear. I'd rather win 2-1 than lose 5-3.
The concept of trading Datsyuk is like, not even a possibility. Even if it were desired by the fanbase and it was best for the team, it still would not happen.
We speculate on things that are within the realm of possibility accompanied by rumors on which teams are selling and which players are for sale. No one is speculating about things like trading for Crosby or something ridiculous.
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Girardi produces very little offense. Compare Smith and Marchenkos AHL numbers.
I understand you want a RH D, but Smith is not the guy we need to dump to get one. Offensive production from the D is an issue. If you trade Smith for Girardi then we have one D that can produce offense at ES (Kronwall). That's a huge issue.
Plus that trade might make us better in 2-3 years but it makes us crap now. Sprouls not ready for at least 2 years IMO.
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Eh, the criticism was that Babs would stifle Edler's production. Both Schneider and Rafalksi had their best seasons when it comes to total points under Babcock. I have no doubt the same would happen with Edler.
I am not saying Kenneh will pull the trigger and make a trade; what I am saying is I cannot for the life of me understand why people have a problem with acquiring a d-man who would produce 50-60 points in Detroit and provide us with a second PP QB. It's bananas.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised though with how people didn't want Zach Bogosian - can't trade Jakub Kindl!!! - didn't want Jay Bouwmeester, didn't want Justin Schultz if we had to guarantee him a roster spot -on this defense, mind you.
It's bananas.
detredWINgs
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Is Edler going to be playing alongside Lidstrom?
No one has a problem with acquiring a defenseman who can put up points. The issue is what it would cost. Also, how the hell on gods green earth is Edler going to put up 50-60 points. He's not a top 5 offensive defenseman.
Um, I campaigned harder for Bouwmeester than just about anyone else on this board. Thanks for playing.
detredWINgs
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Well it worked out real well for the Islanders...
The Islanders weren't "on the bubble" when they made that moronic trade.
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they were 3rd in metro division, with same points as carolina who were 2nd. with 4-4-3 record.
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They were around .500 when they made the trade. The point was we shouldn't make a big trade if we aren't contenders or if the piece isn't going to be helping us long term.
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detredWINgs
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True, they were 6th in the East a whopping 3 weeks into the season, so they weren't a bottom feeder in the standings...yet. They still ultimately traded a 1st round pick to essentially swap out a position they already had on lock, instead of addressing any of their other more pressing needs.
Either way, using the Vanek trade as evidence that a key trade doesn't give bubble teams a boost is akin to using the infamous Gaustad trade as evidence that grinding centers always land you a 1st round pick.
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True but it does show that you're not guaranteed to play better with a rental. Look at all the teams that have made big deals at the TD in the past very few have benefited from them. Pittsburgh last year, Boston last year, etc, all made deadline deals and those deals really didn't help them out all that much. The only big trade deal that worked out was the Carter trade to LA but it was a core trade not a rental.
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So no interest in Dougie Hamilton?
Ha, that's actually exactly the type of D we need.
Then I would also have an excuse to flood GDT's with this
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