Management POHO Staios/GM D̶o̶r̶i̶o̶n̶/Front Office Thread - Part X [Mod Warning in post 1)

[HoweHullOrr]

Fire Staios, #andlauerout

What part of Toronto or the GTA did you say you're from?

Already people in this thread making excuses

Someone had to take over the role of Sweatred.

 

[Bileur]

Fire Staios, #andlauerout

Note for posterity who was the first fan to attack the new owner and POHO.

I was told it would be « Melnyk haters » and « Dorion haters ».

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Pierre McGuire would had this Pinto thing resolved by now.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Note for posterity who was the first fan to attack the new owner and POHO.

I was told it would be « Melnyk haters » and « Dorion haters ».

Only took a few weeks to try to pass the buck lol.

If only Staios had a time machine.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Note for posterity who was the first fan to attack the new owner and POHO.

I was told it would be « Melnyk haters » and « Dorion haters ».

I think you’re missing the sarcasm here from those two lol

I just responded in another thread where a different poster outlines how and when ‘fans’ will turn on the new owner and management.

Apparently it could begin as soon as December!

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Get serious. He is missing in action.

Staios must be putting in the work to fix it,

just makes no sense to attach his name to this mess, when it's someone else's mess to begin with and perhaps unwinnable.

 

[GCK]

Staios must be putting in the work to fix it,

just makes no sense to attach his name to this mess, when it's someone else's mess to begin with and perhaps unwinnable.

I’d blame Andlauer but he said he believes in accountability. Staios is accountable for his direct report still being GM.

 

[BondraTime]

I’d blame Andlauer but he said he believes in accountability. Staios is accountable for his direct report still being GM.

He's been here for less than 2 weeks.

The season is started.

Firing and bringing in another GM was never, remotely, on the table this late in the game.

 

[GCK]

He's been here for less than 2 weeks.

The season is started.

Firing and bringing in another GM was never, remotely, on the table this late in the game.

Bowness as interim would have been fine until Darche was free to come in. There are many ex-GMs who could have come in as advisors to Bowness for a year.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I’d blame Andlauer but he said he believes in accountability. Staios is accountable for his direct report still being GM.

Dorion is muzzled though.

Things are already so tense with injuries and contract problems and a team that has eliminated itself in the first month for 4 years.

Firing Dorion right now is just more chaos for an already fragile team.

Dorion is just a punching bag for now.

 

[SensHulk]

Pierre McGuire would had this Pinto thing resolved by now.

True…he would have never allowed Dorion to buyout DelZotto

 

[GCK]

Dorion is muzzled though.

Things are already so tense with injuries and contract problems and a team that has eliminated itself in the first month for 4 years.

Firing Dorion right now is just more chaos for an already fragile team.

Dorion is just a punching bag for now.

Is Dorion the one trying to clear cap space and sign Pinto ?

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Is Dorion the one trying to clear cap space and sign Pinto ?

I'm sure he is trying and offering solutions as his credibility depends on it, but Staios gets to make the final decision anyway.

 

[Mookie McGee]

The way around the Pinto issue is to tell him to take $1M for this season and don't worry about the financial risk, because if you have a career-ending injury, we admire your hockey mind so much that we would sign you to $1M for 3 years as a 'hockey adviser'.

If you make it through the season healthy, we will catch you up next year when we have the space for a better contract.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

The way around the Pinto issue is to tell him to take $1M for this season and don't worry about the financial risk, because if you have a career-ending injury, we admire your hockey mind so much that we would sign you to $1M for 3 years as a 'hockey adviser'.

If you make it through the season healthy, we will catch you up next year when we have the space for a better contract.

Teams cannot circumvent the cap this way.

If a player is signed to a front-office role, their salary needs to be commiserate with the role. Otherwise, you'd see things like Marleau signs a 3 year league minimum deal to play in Toronto, while also taking on janitorial duties at the Scotiabank Arena for 7 million dollars a year.

The only way the can game the cap would be to sign Pinto to two consecutive contracts. As in, the Senators and Pinto agree that he is worth 2.5M per. He agrees to 1 year 1M for the 23-24 season, with a handshake agreement to sign a 1 year 4M extension on January 1st 2024, or some multi-year extension that overpays him by the 1.5M he left on the table over the lifetime of the extension. So if it is a 6 year deal, he gets an extra 250k per.

Of course, that sort of thing rarely happens because it would be very easy for either side to back out. It is too risky. It was rumoured that the Sharks and Kevin Labanc had a similar agreement to that because he signed for well below market value on a 1 year deal, had a bad season, and still got a high AAV at the end of the year. Even know the Sharks did hold up their end of the bargain, you can see how it can go the wrong way.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Don't think firing Dorion would result in "chaos" or anything of the sort.

The players won't give a crap. If anything they are more aware of his incompetence than anyone on this site and would figure it's about time.

They certainly care about who their head coach is, which is why firing DJ this late is obviously a no-go, but management positions are different.

If the goal for Andlauer is to likely plug one of his own guys (eg. Darche) into the role, now is the time to fire Dorion and have Staios take over interim duties.

Have all the reasons in the world to do it now, with the team being in cap hell due to Dorion's own making.

 

[Flamingo]

The calls for Staios to fire Dorion pronto are like fans yelling "SHOOOOOOOT!" on the powerplay.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Already people in this thread making excuses

Can't fix stupid

 

[GCK]

The calls for Staios to fire Dorion pronto are like fans yelling "SHOOOOOOOT!" on the powerplay.

Not really. Dorion’s history when forced to make trades is very suspect at best.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Don't think firing Dorion would result in "chaos" or anything of the sort.

The players won't give a crap. If anything they are more aware of his incompetence than anyone on this site and would figure it's about time.

They certainly care about who their head coach is, which is why firing DJ this late is obviously a no-go, but management positions are different.

If the goal for Andlauer is to likely plug one of his own guys (eg. Darche) into the role, now is the time to fire Dorion and have Staios take over interim duties.

Have all the reasons in the world to do it now, with the team being in cap hell due to Dorion's own making.

The players who all got long term big money extensions think he's incompetent? That's certainly one of the ways a person could think of that.

 

[Hale The Villain]

The calls for Staios to fire Dorion pronto are like fans yelling "SHOOOOOOOT!" on the powerplay.

This will be his 8th year as the Sens GM.

He's the 7th longest tenured GM in the league right now.

I wouldn't consider wanting him fired ASAP as impatience.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Don't think firing Dorion would result in "chaos" or anything of the sort.

The players won't give a crap. If anything they are more aware of his incompetence than anyone on this site and would figure it's about time.

They certainly care about who their head coach is, which is why firing DJ this late is obviously a no-go, but management positions are different.

If the goal for Andlauer is to likely plug one of his own guys (eg. Darche) into the role, now is the time to fire Dorion and have Staios take over interim duties.

Have all the reasons in the world to do it now, with the team being in cap hell due to Dorion's own making.

Of course it wouldn't be chaos. GM's get fired all the damn time. It would just be another day at the office and they'd instantly be looking forward with someone new or searching for the new person.

The idea that firing Dorion would result in any sort of notable drama is absurd.

 

[Hale The Villain]

The players who all got long term big money extensions think he's incompetent? That's certainly one of the ways a person could think of that.

Wait, you think the players signed long-term because they believe in Pierre Dorion and not because, oh I don't know, they were offered 60M each?

 

[BankStreetParade]

This will be his 8th year as the Sens GM.

He's the 7th longest tenured GM in the league right now.

I wouldn't consider wanting him fired ASAP as impatience.

What does tenure have to do with results? Was the rebuild executed well? Because that's what you should be judging him on for most of his tenure. If you don't think so, tell us why. Most pundits, analysts and observers would say the rebuild was a huge success and that the team is brimming with young, star talent locked in on great deals. Now we start judging him on regular season results. After that, if he's still at the helm, he'll be judged on playoff results.

Wait, you think the players signed long-term because they believe in Pierre Dorion and not because, oh I don't know, they were offered 60M each?

That's not the equivalency but nice try at a dishonest argument.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

What does tenure have to do with results? Was the rebuild executed well? Because that's what you should be judging him on for most of his tenure. If you don't think so, tell us why. Most pundits, analysts and observers would say the rebuild was a huge success and that the team is brimming with young, star talent locked in on great deals. Now we start judging him on regular season results. After that, if he's still at the helm, he'll be judged on playoff results.

The losing is the easy part. We haven't seen the winning yet. Not sure I agree with your interpretation that most would say it was a "huge success." I'd agree that it appears to be on track to be successful, but with the caveat that much of that success is in spite of Dorion's efforts and not because of them.