HoweHullOrr
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What part of Toronto or the GTA did you say you're from?
Someone had to take over the role of Sweatred.
Management POHO Staios/GM D̶o̶r̶i̶o̶n̶/Front Office Thread - Part X [Mod Warning in post 1)
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What part of Toronto or the GTA did you say you're from?
Note for posterity who was the first fan to attack the new owner and POHO.
I was told it would be « Melnyk haters » and « Dorion haters ».
Joeyjoejoe
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Pierre McGuire would had this Pinto thing resolved by now.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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I think you’re missing the sarcasm here from those two lol
I just responded in another thread where a different poster outlines how and when ‘fans’ will turn on the new owner and management.
Apparently it could begin as soon as December!
Agent Zuuuub
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I’d blame Andlauer but he said he believes in accountability. Staios is accountable for his direct report still being GM.
BondraTime
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He's been here for less than 2 weeks.
The season is started.
Firing and bringing in another GM was never, remotely, on the table this late in the game.
Bowness as interim would have been fine until Darche was free to come in. There are many ex-GMs who could have come in as advisors to Bowness for a year.
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Agent Zuuuub
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The way around the Pinto issue is to tell him to take $1M for this season and don't worry about the financial risk, because if you have a career-ending injury, we admire your hockey mind so much that we would sign you to $1M for 3 years as a 'hockey adviser'.
If you make it through the season healthy, we will catch you up next year when we have the space for a better contract.
If you make it through the season healthy, we will catch you up next year when we have the space for a better contract.
frightenedinmatenum2
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Teams cannot circumvent the cap this way.
If a player is signed to a front-office role, their salary needs to be commiserate with the role. Otherwise, you'd see things like Marleau signs a 3 year league minimum deal to play in Toronto, while also taking on janitorial duties at the Scotiabank Arena for 7 million dollars a year.
The only way the can game the cap would be to sign Pinto to two consecutive contracts. As in, the Senators and Pinto agree that he is worth 2.5M per. He agrees to 1 year 1M for the 23-24 season, with a handshake agreement to sign a 1 year 4M extension on January 1st 2024, or some multi-year extension that overpays him by the 1.5M he left on the table over the lifetime of the extension. So if it is a 6 year deal, he gets an extra 250k per.
Of course, that sort of thing rarely happens because it would be very easy for either side to back out. It is too risky. It was rumoured that the Sharks and Kevin Labanc had a similar agreement to that because he signed for well below market value on a 1 year deal, had a bad season, and still got a high AAV at the end of the year. Even know the Sharks did hold up their end of the bargain, you can see how it can go the wrong way.
Don't think firing Dorion would result in "chaos" or anything of the sort.
The players won't give a crap. If anything they are more aware of his incompetence than anyone on this site and would figure it's about time.
They certainly care about who their head coach is, which is why firing DJ this late is obviously a no-go, but management positions are different.
If the goal for Andlauer is to likely plug one of his own guys (eg. Darche) into the role, now is the time to fire Dorion and have Staios take over interim duties.
Have all the reasons in the world to do it now, with the team being in cap hell due to Dorion's own making.
The players won't give a crap. If anything they are more aware of his incompetence than anyone on this site and would figure it's about time.
They certainly care about who their head coach is, which is why firing DJ this late is obviously a no-go, but management positions are different.
If the goal for Andlauer is to likely plug one of his own guys (eg. Darche) into the role, now is the time to fire Dorion and have Staios take over interim duties.
Have all the reasons in the world to do it now, with the team being in cap hell due to Dorion's own making.
The calls for Staios to fire Dorion pronto are like fans yelling "SHOOOOOOOT!" on the powerplay.
Sens of Anarchy
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Not really. Dorion’s history when forced to make trades is very suspect at best.
The players who all got long term big money extensions think he's incompetent? That's certainly one of the ways a person could think of that.
This will be his 8th year as the Sens GM.
He's the 7th longest tenured GM in the league right now.
I wouldn't consider wanting him fired ASAP as impatience.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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Of course it wouldn't be chaos. GM's get fired all the damn time. It would just be another day at the office and they'd instantly be looking forward with someone new or searching for the new person.
The idea that firing Dorion would result in any sort of notable drama is absurd.
Wait, you think the players signed long-term because they believe in Pierre Dorion and not because, oh I don't know, they were offered 60M each?
What does tenure have to do with results? Was the rebuild executed well? Because that's what you should be judging him on for most of his tenure. If you don't think so, tell us why. Most pundits, analysts and observers would say the rebuild was a huge success and that the team is brimming with young, star talent locked in on great deals. Now we start judging him on regular season results. After that, if he's still at the helm, he'll be judged on playoff results.
That's not the equivalency but nice try at a dishonest argument.
YouGotAStuGoing
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The losing is the easy part. We haven't seen the winning yet. Not sure I agree with your interpretation that most would say it was a "huge success." I'd agree that it appears to be on track to be successful, but with the caveat that much of that success is in spite of Dorion's efforts and not because of them.
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