Management POHO Staios/GM D̶o̶r̶i̶o̶n̶/Front Office Thread - Part X [Mod Warning in post 1)

[GCK]

That's a short term view, which is exactly what gets you into binds like this

I don’t think a Bowness/Staios combo could do worse than Dorion.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

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[Hale The Villain]

Hilarious.

The entire hockey world is emotional and wrong, but you are right.... Especially with your track record of being consistently wrong over the years.

The shamelessness to post this when you know it's entirely the opposite is chefs kiss from you.

You truly play the role of Sens management sychophant perfectly. Bravo sir.

 

[BankStreetParade]

And yet I, along with several other posters who feel similarly, are the only ones actually examining his moves, while those who believe he's done a good job typically rely on what I would consider far more emotion-based arguments.

Certainly they are far less comprehensive arguments and are incredibly surface level. The average fan may buy them, as the team is unquestionably on the rise and has a bright future, but when you dig below the surface even slightly and it becomes obvious that we're in this position in spite of Dorion's work, not because of it.

This post has “I do my research on Facebook” energy. So, in summary, Dorion is a moron and everything good about this current roster could have been accomplished by a chicken wearing a tuxedo. Thanks for once again restating the point that I’m agreeing you’re making.

 

[LiseL]

Alfie is likely going to by VP of Player Development, and work more with the coaching staff and players on gameplans/skills at the NHL level vs. the President/GM on signings/trades.

I've always wondered why a role like that isn't more common. Typically player development is focused on prospects, not NHLers.

Over the course of the season, coaches are hyper-focused on wins and losses (ice time, systems, etc). Having an eye in the sky who could say, "Hey Timmy, I noticed you're getting off your shot in the slot a half second too late, let's spend a couple weeks working on that release..."

Alfie would be great at that.

I watched an interview recently (sorry, can't remember who was it was) where the person mentioned being at ice level when Alfie was working with Sanderson. Sanderson told him he was blown away with the pointers Alfie gave him. Yeah, Alfie will be great in that role. My only disappointment is it'll all be behind the scenes lol.

 

[Philadelphia Collins]

Having literally all summer long to clear cap space to sign Pinto and then entering the season with Norris hurt and Rourke Chartier as the 3C is a really bad look.

Does Pierre not know his job is on the line here lol

 

[aragorn]

Having literally all summer long to clear cap space to sign Pinto and then entering the season with Norris hurt and Rourke Chartier as the 3C is a really bad look.

Does Pierre not know his job is on the line here lol

Maybe there were no takers for the guys he wanted to move or they wanted more than we were willing to give up during the summer such as that Det 1st rd pick. As soon as some players start getting hurt there could be more urgency to add a relatively cheap Joseph or Brannstrom, we'll see

 

[Hale The Villain]

This post has “I do my research on Facebook” energy. So, in summary, Dorion is a moron and everything good about this current roster could have been accomplished by a chicken wearing a tuxedo. Thanks for once again restating the point that I’m agreeing you’re making.

As usual you resort to ad hominem attacks and stawman arguments when faced with the slightest pushback.

No one has said Dorion has done nothing good. I liked many moves he's made.

He added and then re-signed Zub, made a smart decision to sell high on Pageau and got excellent value, the Chychrun trade was a good (assuming he re-signs, which I'm hopeful he will given his ties to Ottawa) and picking Forsberg off waivers and re-signing him looks like a great move.

My point has always been that the good is outweighed heavily by the bad, and the aspects of the job where a GM makes the biggest difference and speaks most to their competence (acquisitions via trade/signing) are what he is worst at.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

If they win games, it won't matter and will make it just a side story without urgency.

It's if they lose a lot early on that the pressure really ramps up and people start talking that it was predictable, point blame, etc.

 

[UglyPuckling]

What does tenure have to do with results? Was the rebuild executed well? Because that's what you should be judging him on for most of his tenure. If you don't think so, tell us why. Most pundits, analysts and observers would say the rebuild was a huge success and that the team is brimming with young, star talent locked in on great deals. Now we start judging him on regular season results. After that, if he's still at the helm, he'll be judged on playoff results.


That's not the equivalency but nice try at a dishonest argument.

A lot of the talking heads are also saying that this year Ottawa has to make some noise as well. We haven't played a game yet. The potential part I agree with & the team does look poised as well. Let's hope we can put our 2C & 3C into games and resolve the cap issues without too much detrimental long term impact.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Been out of country for the last few days… this thread is GOLD

 

[Gil Gunderson]

lol we lost the game when DJ’s practice lines came out. What the f*** are those?

 

[HSF]

lol we lost the game when DJ’s practice lines came out. What the f*** are those?

he has no clue

 

[jg729]

Another slow start somebody needs to get fired.

 

[Sens Vader]

This whole situation looks very bad on Dorion

Interested to see how the cap problems are solved

 

[ottawagm]

Peter Chiarelli GM
Claude Julien Coach

 

[inthewings]

Losing games while playing a man short with the team's second-best C sitting at home because Dorion botched the cap is an incredibly bad look. There's no way Staios is impressed by this.

 

[SweSensFan]

Ok we have seen enough!

Fire Dorion and DJ!

Trade Tarasenko!

Sign Pinto!

Bring up Smejkal!

(Also consider waiving mcEwen and benching Kasty if they don't show up very soon)

DJ is messing way too much with lines and special teams units and don't use the right players at the right spots at the right time!

PD: To many reasons to mention but failing to sign Pinto should be his last failure, enough is enough!

Aside from this alot of positives, team came out flying in 1st, Joseph is on fire and more!

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Maybe there were no takers for the guys he wanted to move or they wanted more than we were willing to give up during the summer such as that Det 1st rd pick. As soon as some players start getting hurt there could be more urgency to add a relatively cheap Joseph or Brannstrom, we'll see

Maybe, but that doesn't address the sequencing question.

Do you commit so much money to wingers (i.e., Tarasenko) or bottom of roster players when you have your 2C returning from surgery and your 3C without a contract?

Professional project managers plan & strategize (use GANTT charts, critical path, etc.) the steps that are required to meet a goal and the sequence in which they need to occur. Sequencing is very important and not addressing it correctly is often the cause of failed projects.

 

[jbeck5]

Maybe, but that doesn't address the sequencing question.

Do you commit so much money to wingers (i.e., Tarasenko) or bottom of roster players when you have your 2C returning from surgery and your 3C without a contract?

Professional project managers plan & strategize (use GANT charts, critical path, etc.) the steps that are required to meet a goal and the sequence in which they need to occur. Sequencing is very important and not addressing it correctly is often the cause of failed projects.

Funny to say this as he's THE GENERAL MANAGER of a billion dollar business....

I don't think he actually has any management experience or education. I don't think he even knows what a gant chart is.

There should be a roster manager, and then an educated strategic/business manager.

Some would say that's what the president is (not of hockey operations like staios but like Leeder)

But I mean an educated business and strategic manager that pertains to the roster,contracts and cap hits. Scouts or ex players are great at putting a roster together, but they're probably idiots when it comes to numbers and contracts and laws and math. There should be someone almost on equal power footing with the hockey GM when it comes to contracts and stuff.

Makes no sense why a billion dollar business couldn't afford to fill that position.

 

[BondraTime]

Funny to say this as he's THE GENERAL MANAGER of a billion dollar business....

I don't think he actually has any management experience or education. I don't think he even knows what a gant chart is.

There should be a roster manager, and then an educated strategic/business manager.

Some would say that's what the president is (not of hockey operations like staios but like Leeder)

But I mean an educated business and strategic manager that pertains to the roster,contracts and cap hits. Scouts or ex players are great at putting a roster together, but they're probably idiots when it comes to numbers and contracts and laws and math. There should be someone almost on equal power footing with the hockey GM when it comes to contracts and stuff.

Makes no sense why a billion dollar business couldn't afford to fill that position.

They had one, he resigned at the beginning of last off-season. Then the team went a season with no owner or real hiring processes, and then this season we never got an owner until 3 weeks before the season.

Peter McTavish was our Asst. GM, he was a contract expert as a certified player agent and cap specialist.

The Sens will have one in place moving forward.

 

[swiftwin]

Maybe, but that doesn't address the sequencing question.

Do you commit so much money to wingers (i.e., Tarasenko) or bottom of roster players when you have your 2C returning from surgery and your 3C without a contract?

Professional project managers plan & strategize (use GANTT charts, critical path, etc.) the steps that are required to meet a goal and the sequence in which they need to occur. Sequencing is very important and not addressing it correctly is often the cause of failed projects.

Lmfao. Nobody uses gantt charts in the real world unless they're sucking up to their superior in a ppt presentation.

 

[jbeck5]

They had one, he resigned at the beginning of last off-season. Then the team went a season with no owner or real hiring processes, and then this season we never got an owner until 3 weeks before the season.

Peter McTavish was our Asst. GM, he was a contract expert as a certified player agent and cap specialist.

The Sens will have one in place moving forward.

Ok good to know. I look forward to that signing.

 

[CDN24]

Funny to say this as he's THE GENERAL MANAGER of a billion dollar business....

I don't think he actually has any management experience or education. I don't think he even knows what a gant chart is.

There should be a roster manager, and then an educated strategic/business manager.

Some would say that's what the president is (not of hockey operations like staios but like Leeder)

But I mean an educated business and strategic manager that pertains to the roster,contracts and cap hits. Scouts or ex players are great at putting a roster together, but they're probably idiots when it comes to numbers and contracts and laws and math. There should be someone almost on equal power footing with the hockey GM when it comes to contracts and stuff.

Makes no sense why a billion dollar business couldn't afford to fill that position.

Gotta give Pierre a break, he just learned that this Salary Cap has a ceiling - not just a floor. A mistake anyone could have made really

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Lmfao. Nobody uses gantt charts in the real world unless they're sucking up to their superior in a ppt presentation.

They use Microsoft Project or another software tool which produces a GANTT chart and/or a critical path analysis in multi-billion dollar that I've been involved with. I guess those huge infrastructure projects aren't real world. LOL. Nice try.

You wouldn't even need these tools to recognize that signing less important players to expensive contracts isn't wise when the status of your 2C and 3C is questionable (or unsigned). I'll give you that.

Note - Edited or added the italicized words so that those too involved in the details won't lose the actual point that is being made.