Management POHO Staios/GM D̶o̶r̶i̶o̶n̶/Front Office Thread - Part X [Mod Warning in post 1)

[Joeffice]

Doesn't the AGM and administrative team handle the paper work?

No doubt legal is involved in a team player transfer.

Anyone thinking it is just dumb Pierre typing away on his shitty 2015 dell laptop is very naive.

PD definitely could have messed up the verbal, and is responsible to review, but legal would be involved.

That being said, can't wait for the story to come out

True enough, but Dorion is in a position of responsibility and accountability. The buck stops with him, ultimately.

I really do think the team needs to move on from him. He was the caretaker of the team through its clown car era.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

True enough, but Dorion is in a position of responsibility and accountability. The buck stops with him, ultimately.

I really do think the team needs to move on from him. He was the caretaker of the team through its clown car era.

He will definitely go if it was on him.

 

[Joeffice]

He will definitely go if it was on him.

Who is that gosh darned handsome son-of-a-gun in your avatar? =)

 

[Mingus Dew]

Doesn't the AGM and administrative team handle the paper work?

No doubt legal is involved in a team player transfer.

Anyone thinking it is just dumb Pierre typing away on his shitty 2015 dell laptop is very naive.

PD definitely could have messed up the verbal, and is responsible to review, but legal would be involved.

That being said, can't wait for the story to come out

I’m sure it was a group effort, although Vegas has said that Pierre took the trade call himself.

Regardless, the buck stops at the top.

Edit: and to defend my lawyer brethren for once in my life, this isn’t really a legal issue. Doubt they were involved too much.

 

[h2]

Best in class.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I’m sure it was a group effort, although Vegas has said that Pierre took the trade call himself.

Regardless, the buck stops at the top.

Edit: and to defend my lawyer brethren for once in my life, this isn’t really a legal issue. Doubt they were involved too much.

Had lawyers been involved, this would not have happened.

 

[Big Muddy]

It could end up in Dadonov + 1st for Holden + 3rd

Damn

We still robbed them

Actually, I've watched a few Stars games late last year & Dadonov was playing pretty decently.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Had lawyers been involved, this would not have happened.

I am sure lawyers and many others were involved. There are league requirements. There are league lawyers.

Big Read: Behind closed doors on NHL trade deadline day

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[AchtzehnBaby]

Best in class.

I am sure that Andlauer is loving what his social media people are reporting back to him these days.

What a start to the first month for MA

Poor guy

 

[GCK]

Andlauer and Staios need to negotiate with the NHLPA and league to limit the penalty for the Dadonov debacle assuming it was incompetence rather than malicious.

Somehow blame it on Melnyk running so bare bones that the front office was insufficiently staffed to effectively run an org. Now if McTavish or Mann say it was malicious that’s a different story.

Seems brutal to punish the asset of a guy that dropped 950M on a team.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Andlauer and Staios need to negotiate with the NHLPA and league to limit the penalty for the Dadonov debacle assuming it was incompetence rather than malicious.

Somehow blame it on Melnyk running so bare bones that the front office was insufficiently staffed to effectively run an org. Now if McTavish or Mann say it was malicious that’s a different story.

Seems brutal to punish the asset of a guy that dropped 950M on a team.

Really interested to hear what MacTavish has to say. He must be all knowing in this situation. (he is a lawyer)

 

[Mingus Dew]

Had lawyers been involved, this would not have happened.

It’s more of a diligence issue. Sens mistakenly thought the facts were one way and they were another.

They would have gone to the lawyers and said “hey dadonov’s team missed this deadline, is the NTC valid”

“If he missed the deadline then no it’s not valid”

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

It’s more of a diligence issue. Sens mistakenly thought the facts were one way and they were another.

They would have gone to the lawyers and said “hey dadonov’s team missed this deadline, is the NTC valid”

“If he missed the deadline then no it’s not valid”

Are we saying MacTavish wasn't involved at all. It would have been on him for contract management.

Can't believe that it could have been that simple.

When the league gives us the statement, it is goingto be very interesting

 

[Mingus Dew]

Are we saying MacTavish wasn't involved at all. It would have been on him for contract management.

Can't believe that it could have been that simple.

When the league gives us the statement, it is goingto be very interesting

McTavish was probably involved but not in the legal sense. Who knows?

 

[Big Muddy]

I’m sure it was a group effort, although Vegas has said that Pierre took the trade call himself.

Regardless, the buck stops at the top.

Edit: and to defend my lawyer brethren for once in my life, this isn’t really a legal issue. Doubt they were involved too much.

I tend to agree with this. This is an operational issue versus legal issue. Legal will advise on the obvious, the player with the NTC needs to provide a list, and this must be received by July 1.

It's up to operations to confirm that the list has been submitted, not the legal dept, as this is an operational procedure. Legal departments typically don't do quality control of operational procedures. Hopefully there are procedures and some quality control of those procedures within the Senators organization.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

McTavish was probably involved but not in the legal sense. Who knows?

From 2018 - The Senators said in a statement that MacTavish’s focus will include contracts, salary arbitration and managerial support of hockey operations, both in Ottawa and with the Belleville Senators of the American Hockey League.


The 44-year-old lawyer joins the club following a stint as a labour and employment partner at Norton Rose Fulbright Canada LLP in the nation’s capital. MacTavish has also worked with CAA Hockey, where he assisted with player recruitment, player management and contract negotiations.

 

[Dionysus]

This boondoggle gives Staios all the reason he needs to let Dorion go. Not much point in evaluating more. Goes directly against the principles that he and Andlaur have espoused.

 

[JD1]

McTavish was probably involved but not in the legal sense. Who knows?

What use is there in involving a lawyer but not in a legal sense. That seems kind of odd.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

What use is there in involving a lawyer but not in a legal sense. That seems kind of odd.

Good exercise for those who are really interested is to read this thread

Vegas / Anaheim voided Dadonov trade (upd: Ottawa forfeits 1st 24-26)

https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/goldenknights/golden-knights-trade-with-ducks-might-fall-through-2548930/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_medium=push_notification VGK made the trade to free up cap space. Dadonov and a conditional 2nd round pick in 2024 for Ryan Kesler (LTIR contract) and John...

forums.hfboards.com

 

[Do Make Say Think]

It’s more of a diligence issue. Sens mistakenly thought the facts were one way and they were another.

They would have gone to the lawyers and said “hey dadonov’s team missed this deadline, is the NTC valid”

“If he missed the deadline then no it’s not valid”

I see what you mean and I agree. I meant that no lawyer was involved in determining if the deadline had actually been missed.

That is where you want people with experience to go over your interpretation. Dorion very likely asked the lawyers the wrong question; because he is an idiot.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

I see what you mean and I agree. I meant that no lawyer was involved in determining if the deadline had actually been missed.

That is where you want people with experience to go over your interpretation. Dorion very likely asked the lawyers the wrong question; because he is an idiot.

The only idiots are those that assume PD is the guy making all those contractual interpretations and not the AGM.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

The only idiots are those that assume PD is the guy making all those contractual interpretations and not the AGM.

Please don't interrupt the adults.

One day you'll understand.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The only idiots are those that assume PD is the guy making all those contractual interpretations and not the AGM.

If you go into a meeting and state falsehoods as fact you are going to be held responsible if there are negative repercussions that result. You can point the finger at your intern for providing that information to you but that won't get you off the hook.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

If you go into a meeting and state falsehoods as fact you are going to be held responsible if there are negative repercussions that result. You can point the finger at your intern for providing that information to you but that won't get you off the hook.

Everyone here is making assumptions. Including me. Two way street.

All will be know next week, we hope.

 

[aragorn]

Last yr Ott had a lot of young guys in their lineup & thanks to injuries they again find themselves with a lot of young guys in their lineup & we all know young guys make young guy mistakes. Against Pitt they had 5 rookies in their lineup, even Chartier is considered a rookie with 27 NHL games at 27 yrs old.