Management POHO Staios/GM D̶o̶r̶i̶o̶n̶/Front Office Thread - Part X [Mod Warning in post 1)

[DrEasy]

I don’t understand this part, Vegas still wasn’t able to trade him to Anaheim. The list still served it’s purpose.

Just seems like something that would be added to the due diligence in trades moving forward. You could ask for evidence or ask for permission to confirm with the agent.

The league could easily control this moving forward by having a central registry without taking a pick.

Fine the sens, create a central registry. Problem solved moving forward.

Dadonov with a NTC is less valuable to Vegas than one without. They were sold a bill of goods by Ottawa.

 

[Ouroboros]

I don’t understand this part, Vegas still wasn’t able to trade him to Anaheim. The list still served it’s purpose.

Just seems like something that would be added to the due diligence in trades moving forward. You could ask for evidence or ask for permission to confirm with the agent.

The league could easily control this moving forward by having a central registry without taking a pick.

Fine the sens, create a central registry. Problem solved moving forward.

The list did serve its purpose, but we can only assume that this was because Dadonov's agent kept meticulous records. Maxim Moliver must have had some concrete proof Dadonov's NTC list was indeed filed with the Senators on-time or else the trade to Anaheim wouldn't have been nullified. Here's what Friedman reported at the time...

Dadonov initially signed his three-year contract with the Senators ahead of the 2020-21 season. The contract includes a stipulation that Dadonov needed to alert the team of the 10 teams he could not be traded to during the 2021-22 season by July 1, 2021.

An investigation this week confirmed the no-trade list had been filed on time to the Senators and the team had confirmed it had received it. The Senators traded Dadonov to the Golden Knights — a team not on his no-trade list — in late July.

What happens if the list was filed properly but there's no paper trail to disprove Ottawa's incompetence and/or maliciousness? I guess in that case the Senators never face any discipline, so maybe that part of my post doesn't really check out.

You would think something like this would be caught during due diligence, but I guess not. A no-trade being voided because some paperwork wasn't filed on time is definitely something that I would want to run-by the agent of the player in question. Clearly that never happened.

I agree that this sort of thing should be filed with the league in some sort of central registry. It seems like everybody was just operating on the honor system which is wild. But the thing is - NTC's have been commonplace in the NHL for decades and this is the first time I can recall a trade being scuttled because of a situation like this.

It'll be interesting to hear exactly what's going on here, because clearly something changed. Originally the Senators were free and clear of any league discipline, but now all of a sudden they're facing what is rumored to be a very stiff sanction. Strange.

 

[Micklebot]

The list did serve its purpose, but we can only assume that this was because Dadonov's agent kept meticulous records. Maxim Moliver must have had some concrete proof Dadonov's NTC list was indeed filed with the Senators on-time or else the trade to Anaheim wouldn't have been nullified. Here's what Friedman reported at the time...



What happens if the list was filed properly but there's no paper trail to disprove Ottawa's incompetence and/or maliciousness? I guess in that case the Senators never face any discipline, so maybe that part of my post doesn't really check out.

You would think something like this would be caught during due diligence, but I guess not. A no-trade being voided because some paperwork wasn't filed on time is definitely something that I would want to run-by the agent of the player in question. Clearly that never happened.

I agree that this sort of thing should be filed with the league in some sort of central registry. It seems like everybody was just operating on the honor system which is wild. But the thing is - NTC's have been commonplace in the NHL for decades and this is the first time I can recall a trade being scuttled because of a situation like this.

It'll be interesting to hear exactly what's going on here, because clearly something changed. Originally the Senators were free and clear of any league discipline, but now all of a sudden they're facing what is rumored to be a very stiff sanction. Strange.

The whole situation makes the whole league look like a bunch of clowns,

I'm really curious what new info came to light to have this resurface. They had proof that everything was submitted on time, and the trade call recordings, what else could there be?

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

The list did serve its purpose, but we can only assume that this was because Dadonov's agent kept meticulous records. Maxim Moliver must have had some concrete proof Dadonov's NTC list was indeed filed with the Senators on-time or else the trade to Anaheim wouldn't have been nullified. Here's what Friedman reported at the time...



What happens if the list was filed properly but there's no paper trail to disprove Ottawa's incompetence and/or maliciousness? I guess in that case the Senators never face any discipline, so maybe that part of my post doesn't really check out.

You would think something like this would be caught during due diligence, but I guess not. A no-trade being voided because some paperwork wasn't filed on time is definitely something that I would want to run-by the agent of the player in question. Clearly that never happened.

I agree that this sort of thing should be filed with the league in some sort of central registry. It seems like everybody was just operating on the honor system which is wild. But the thing is - NTC's have been commonplace in the NHL for decades and this is the first time I can recall a trade being scuttled because of a situation like this.

It'll be interesting to hear exactly what's going on here, because clearly something changed. Originally the Senators were free and clear of any league discipline, but now all of a sudden they're facing what is rumored to be a very stiff sanction. Strange.

Perhaps the sudden change is someone involved with things filing an official complaint? Either the Ducks, Knights, Dadonov, or his agent.

I think the real key here is...who exactly screwed up? If it's someone in the Sens organization not attaching a file or whatever, then we're stuck. Doesn't matter if it was a summer intern or Dorion himself. But if it's a glitch with however the info was kept with the league itself or transfer of data (like, a file disappearing into cyberspace or something), then things are a lot more murky.

It really sucks though if we're stuck losing a draft pick. Especially if it's a first rounder. And I don't think a fine will do it...a fine is a poor person/team penalty.

 

[BondraTime]

The whole situation makes the whole league look like a bunch of clowns,

I'm really curious what new info came to light to have this resurface. They had proof that everything was submitted on time, and the trade call recordings, what else could there be?

Time, pressure and a real investigation more than likely. They never did a real investigation in the week after the incident that they came to that conclusion.

You can bet dollars to donuts both Vegas and the PA have launched investigations, and filed grievances to the NHL. That process would undoubtedly take more than a week.

Interviews, documentation, precedence, all would be a long process.

NHL needs to lay down the hammer, and it can’t be monetary, otherwise, what’s stopping other teams from doing this (Central registry obviously should be implemented, but alas…).

 

[BondraTime]

Perhaps the sudden change is someone involved with things filing an official complaint? Either the Ducks, Knights, Dadonov, or his agent.

I think the real key here is...who exactly screwed up? If it's someone in the Sens organization not attaching a file or whatever, then we're stuck. Doesn't matter if it was a summer intern or Dorion himself. But if it's a glitch with however the info was kept with the league itself or transfer of data (like, a file disappearing into cyberspace or something), then things are a lot more murky.

It really sucks though if we're stuck losing a draft pick. Especially if it's a first rounder. And I don't think a fine will do it...a fine is a poor person/team penalty.

There’s no question of who screwed up.

It’s aa black and white as you can get that it’s Ottawa, they straight up confidently told both parties that Dadonov’s documentation was filed incorrectly, which was demonstratively false.

NHL process is backwards, but the Sens are the only team in the xxxx years of this system to f*** it up so royally.

 

[Tuna99]

The whole situation makes the whole league look like a bunch of clowns,

I'm really curious what new info came to light to have this resurface. They had proof that everything was submitted on time, and the trade call recordings, what else could there be?

This and the hockey Canada investigation are about 3 years of investigation that could of taken 1 week total

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

There’s no question of who screwed up.

It’s aa black and white as you can get that it’s Ottawa, they straight up confidently told both parties that Dadonov’s documentation was filed incorrectly, which was demonstratively false.

NHL process is backwards, but the Sens are the only team in the xxxx years of this system to f*** it up so royally.

Yeah....I'm not surprised.

Not looking forward to the punishment.

 

[Mingus Dew]

There’s no question of who screwed up.

It’s aa black and white as you can get that it’s Ottawa, they straight up confidently told both parties that Dadonov’s documentation was filed incorrectly, which was demonstratively false.

NHL process is backwards, but the Sens are the only team in the xxxx years of this system to f*** it up so royally.

I mean we can all wring our hands about how the league needs better policies on this stuff, but the Sens are the only organization to have ever screwed this up lol.

It is on the Sens organization. It is unprecedented and bush league and it will cost our team a pound of flesh. It is inexcusable.

 

[Micklebot]

Time, pressure and a real investigation more than likely. They never did a real investigation in the week after the incident that they came to that conclusion.

You can bet dollars to donuts both Vegas and the PA have launched investigations, and filed grievances to the NHL. That process would undoubtedly take more than a week.

Interviews, documentation, precedence, all would be a long process.

NHL needs to lay down the hammer, and it can’t be monetary, otherwise, what’s stopping other teams from doing this (Central registry obviously should be implemented, but alas…).

If the process takes longer than a week that's fine, why did they say Ottawa wouldn't be penalized back in March 2022 if the investigation wasn't done? Just makes them look like bigger clowns.

I'd say fining the GM, or suspending him, would go a long way towards preventing this type of stuff.

I'm not saying the team shouldn't lose a pick, if Dorion did lie about the NTC list to facilitate the trade, the team should be hit hard, but imo nobody looks good in this. It is absolutely crazy that there are no guardrails to prevent this type of stuff. For all we know this has happened before and the team that acquired the player just didn't try and subsequently trade them to a team on the NTC list so nobody knew.

Just wild

 

[Mingus Dew]

If the process takes longer than a week that's fine, why did they say Ottawa wouldn't be penalized back in March 2022 if the investigation wasn't done? Just makes them look like bigger clowns.

I'd say fining the GM, or suspending him, would go a long way towards preventing this type of stuff.

I'm not saying the team shouldn't lose a pick, if Dorion did lie about the NTC list to facilitate the trade, the team should be hit hard, but imo nobody looks good in this. It is absolutely crazy that there are no guardrails to prevent this type of stuff. For all we know this has happened before and the team that acquired the player just didn't try and subsequently trade them to a team on the NTC list so nobody knew.

Just wild

Dorion basically lost track of an email lol. I doubt that level of incompetence has happened before w/r/t something as important as an NHL trade.

If this was any corporate deal in the world dorion is out on his ass immediately and black balled.

 

[Micklebot]

I mean we can all wring our hands about how the league needs better policies on this stuff, but the Sens are the only organization to have ever screwed this up lol.

It is on the Sens organization. It is unprecedented and bush league and it will cost our team a pound of flesh. It is inexcusable.

We don't know that to be fair, sens are the only team to be caught.

Most teams don't try to flip the guy they acquired 7 months ago.

 

[Mingus Dew]

We don't know that to be fair, sens are the only team to be caught.

Most teams don't try to flip the guy they acquired 7 months ago.

If you’re the only team to be caught you’re the only team to have done it. No one cares if someone f***s up and nothing comes of it.

 

[Xspyrit]

Don't let Dorion defendors see this but...

Lost a 4th OA pick in 2019
Wasted a 10th OA on Boucher in 2021
Traded a 7th OA in 2022 and ended up with a late 1st back in 2024
About to lose a 1st round pick in 2024?

We have been rebuilding for 6+ seasons.. Nevermind all the other million blunders but JUST this is absolutely disastrous...

Is there really still people who think Dorion is not damageable for a NHL team? He's like self destruction

 

[Crosside]

I was big defender of Dorion and DJ but now time move on from both

 

[BondraTime]

Simmer, for whatever it’s worth which is very little, said McCrimmon found it very odd Dorion did the trade call by himself.

 

[Sun God Nika]

It could also be the first rounder gets moved to the back of the draft so basically sens draft 32 without winning the cup. Which would still be a massive kick in the balls

 

[Xspyrit]

And to think that we actually liked that trade with Vegas

 

[Mingus Dew]

Simmer, for whatever it’s worth which is very little, said McCrimmon found it very odd Dorion did the trade call by himself.

The f***ing hubris. Such a small man.

 

[BondraTime]

And to think that we actually liked that trade with Vegas

It was a great trade, obviously not including the absolute buffoonery happening behind the scenes.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Dorion basically lost track of an email lol. I doubt that level of incompetence has happened before w/r/t something as important as an NHL trade.

If this was any corporate deal in the world dorion is out on his ass immediately and black balled.

Doesn't the AGM and administrative team handle the paper work?

No doubt legal is involved in a team player transfer.

Anyone thinking it is just dumb Pierre typing away on his shitty 2015 dell laptop is very naive.

PD definitely could have messed up the verbal, and is responsible to review, but legal would be involved.

That being said, can't wait for the story to come out

 

[Icelevel]

The amount of time the league has to spend resolving and investigating issues related to Ottawa is crazy.
I can imagine the eye rolls of the league when another Ottawa problem comes across their desk.

 

[Xspyrit]

It was a great trade, obviously not including the absolute buffoonery happening behind the scenes.

It could end up in Dadonov + 1st for Holden + 3rd

Damn

 

[Joeffice]

This and the hockey Canada investigation are about 3 years of investigation that could of taken 1 week total

In all honesty, I find no way to rationalize this other than another example of an old boys club that doesn't get that old boys clubs don't work anymore.

 

[Icelevel]

It could end up in Dadonov + 1st for Holden + 3rd

Damn

We still robbed them