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Why would Hughes trade for PLD if its true he wants to play for Montreal being unrestricted in a year from now Montreal can have him without giving up anything . Its like if someone said you can have a new vehicle with a value of 100,000 you can have it in the summer and pay the full price or you can wait a year and get it for free .

It's Doubtful Montreal / Gorton / Hughes trade for PLD If he honestly want to play for Montreal he'll sign with them in a year if he becomes unrestricted and doesn't sign it will prove he changed his mind or he's just being dishonest and a lair .
 
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Why would Hughes trade for PLD if its true he wants to play for Montreal being unrestricted in a year from now Montreal can have him without giving up anything . Its like if someone said you can have a new vehicle with a value of 100,000 you can have it in the summer and pay the full price or you can wait a year and get it for free .
It's doubtful Hughes / Montreal trade for PLD if he honestly wants to play for Montreal he'll sign with them in a year if he becomes unrestricted and doesn't sign it will prove he changed his mind or he's just being dishonest and a liar .

If you were Dubois and you really did want to come home, imagine how you would feel if the Habs dilly dallying about it and said lets wait. You can get traded for your last RFA year to another team and we will sign you for "free" in the summer of 24. Move your family twice in 1 year. No big deal eh?

There are risks to both waiting a year and trading for him this summer. Too many Habs fans are playing the wait so we can sign him for free. I'd play that card if the price is too high yeah. But if it's a Trouba or Horvat trade price, I'd get the deal done on draft day. Don't wait... Futures are very important but Dubois is a young player for prime years.
 
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If you were Dubois and you really did want to come home, imagine how you would feel if the Habs dilly dallying about it and said lets wait. You can get traded for your last RFA year to another team and we will sign you for "free" in the summer of 24. Move your family twice in 1 year. No big deal eh?

There are risks to both waiting a year and trading for him this summer. Too many Habs fans are playing the wait so we can sign him for free. I'd play that card if the price is too high yeah. But if it's a Trouba or Horvat trade price, I'd get the deal done on draft day. Don't wait... Futures are very important but Dubois is a young player for prime years.
Montreal are not likely a playoff team next season with or without PLD Montreal / Hughes has no reason or has any pressure to trade for him . If PLD feelings get hurt because Hughes didn't trade for him and he doesn't want sign when he becomes unrestricted that's fine . Hughes trading players/ picks / prospects for a player that he can possible acquire without giving up anything is something that's unlikely to happen
 
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Montreal could jump up in the draft hopefully for Habs fans drafting Bedard 1st overall but if not and they ended up with the 2nd or 3rd pick in the draft they will likely draft Fantilli or Carlsson if they get either player all the talk about PLD would stop
 
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Montreal are not likely a playoff team next season with or without PLD Montreal / Hughes has no reason or has any pressure to trade for him . If PLD feelings get hurt because Hughes didn't trade for him and he doesn't want sign when he becomes unrestricted that's fine . Hughes trading players/ picks / prospects for a player that he can possible acquire without giving up anything is something that's unlikely to happen

Yeah, Habs may not be a playoff team next year but we are working on a winning culture and moving up the standings while we still focus on youth/drafting/development. Still not a good reason to say no to Dubois.

Gorton/Hughes will engage but they have a max point. Sorry but I don't agree with you that they will do nothing and wait.
 

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Yeah, Habs may not be a playoff team next year but we are working on a winning culture and moving up the standings while we still focus on youth/drafting/development. Still not a good reason to say no to Dubois.

Gorton/Hughes will engage but they have a max point. Sorry but I don't agree with you that they will do nothing and wait.
It's unlikely Montreal / Hughes trade for PLD Winnipeg will likely want more than Hughes is willing to give .
We don't need to agree.
 

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It's unlikely Montreal / Hughes trade for PLD Winnipeg will likely want more than Hughes is willing to give .
We don't need to agree.

We are not agreeing and it's OK. I don't think the price will be far off what Trouba or Horvat got and it's one we can afford. If we can trade Romanov for Dach, we can trade for Dubois.

If the price is too high, we will wait. Simple as that. However, I'm 60-80% confident Dubois doesn't play nice in sign/trade with any other team and we have leverage.

It's not just about Hughes. It's about Gorton and Hughes and Gorton did trade for Trouba when the Rangers were in rebuild/transition.
 

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If you were Dubois and you really did want to come home, imagine how you would feel if the Habs dilly dallying about it and said lets wait. You can get traded for your last RFA year to another team and we will sign you for "free" in the summer of 24. Move your family twice in 1 year. No big deal eh?

There are risks to both waiting a year and trading for him this summer. Too many Habs fans are playing the wait so we can sign him for free. I'd play that card if the price is too high yeah. But if it's a Trouba or Horvat trade price, I'd get the deal done on draft day. Don't wait... Futures are very important but Dubois is a young player for prime years.

If I were Dubois and had my heart set on Montreal, I wouldn't be the slightest bit bothered if they preferred waiting until my current contract ran out. Hell, I'd be happy they want to keep their assets so I can come in an hopefully be the spark to turn them into a playoff contender.

I'd actually be even more hesitant if I'm Hughes to make this trade or even sign Dubois if he got upset or offended I wasn't prioritizing him over the team. That's a pretty massive red flag he'll be a problem.
 

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Right, his agent said it one interview. Habs Halifax said PLD has said it repeatedly. PLD has never said it once publicly. His agent has dropped the same claims about other clients and in those cases the players didn’t sign with their home town crush.

The rumour has been reported repeatedly. That would be fair to say. We don’t know what will happen. I think it’s just as likely that PLD ends up with a team not named Habs or Jets as anything else.
You might be entirely right. At this point it’s all speculations. I usually tend to trust what comes out of Friedman’s mouth and when there is smoke there is usually fire not to mention I also personally would love for this PLD to Montreal scenario to happen - and I’m sure I’m not the only Habs fans - So we tend to take these rumors/comments as is.

That being said, as I discussed with others in here, Montreal has enough assets to make it work for Winnipeg. I’m sure if PLD is really set on being a MTL player then both GMs will be able to find a common ground that is fair for BOTH side.
 
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If I were Dubois and had my heart set on Montreal, I wouldn't be the slightest bit bothered if they preferred waiting until my current contract ran out. Hell, I'd be happy they want to keep their assets so I can come in an hopefully be the spark to turn them into a playoff contender.

I'd actually be even more hesitant if I'm Hughes to make this trade or even sign Dubois if he got upset or offended I wasn't prioritizing him over the team. That's a pretty massive red flag he'll be a problem.

That's possible too. I also think Gorton/Hughes talked to Brisson about many different outcomes when Dubois was a RFA last summer. They have information we don't have. I'm just not entirely on board with waiting so if the cost is something we can afford, I'd do it this summer.

However, I would not call it a massive red flag. Time can change things.
 

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If I were Dubois and had my heart set on Montreal, I wouldn't be the slightest bit bothered if they preferred waiting until my current contract ran out. Hell, I'd be happy they want to keep their assets so I can come in an hopefully be the spark to turn them into a playoff contender.

I'd actually be even more hesitant if I'm Hughes to make this trade or even sign Dubois if he got upset or offended I wasn't prioritizing him over the team. That's a pretty massive red flag he'll be a problem.

That's a bit too black-and-white, IMO. At any rate, it's pretty obvious between his one-year deal and how late he signed that Dubois has already had talks with Montreal and they must both have a pretty good idea of what needs to happen going forward to be a match.
 

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Right, his agent said it one interview. Habs Halifax said PLD has said it repeatedly. PLD has never said it once publicly. His agent has dropped the same claims about other clients and in those cases the players didn’t sign with their home town crush.

The rumour has been reported repeatedly. That would be fair to say. We don’t know what will happen. I think it’s just as likely that PLD ends up with a team not named Habs or Jets as anything else.


For several months, it has been an open secret in Winnipeg: Pierre-Luc Dubois would like to play in Montreal.

Multiple sources confirmed to The Athletic that wearing the Canadiens’ bleu, blanc et rouge is a dream that Dubois is not shy to talk about in private company.

Now Dubois’ agent, Pat Brisson, is making those desires as public as possible. Brisson has stirred the Dubois-to-Montreal pot in multiple media appearances this week in a clear attempt to catalyze trade talks between the Jets and Canadiens.

A source with knowledge of the situation confirmed to The Athletic that Dubois attended the NHL Draft in Montreal because he believed a trade would be completed on the draft floor. As first reported by Radio-Canada’s Martin Leclerc, Montreal offered three players to the Jets in hopes of securing Dubois’ rights.

Whereas teams in New York, Calgary or any other city will only be willing to pay for two years’ worth of Dubois’ services, Montreal has more confidence it can sign him long-term.

If Brisson can make Dubois’ desires so public that other teams become less interested in him, then Montreal’s offer — as inadequate as it may seem now — may end up standing above the competition.

There is also the matter of Dubois asking to be traded just two years after the last time he asked to be moved. There are teams that will be turned off by his requests, writing him off as a player who is simply trying to force his way to Montreal.

Hughes said he’s not allowed to talk about another team’s player, which is fine. But when asked a hypothetical question as to if the Jets would be willing to trade Dubois, if he would have any interest, Hughes responded with a hypothetical of his own.
“If we had the means to acquire a big centre who is established in the NHL,” Hughes said, “for sure we would have an interest.”

There’s nothing earth shattering there, but the way Hughes addressed the question did nothing to quell the belief the Canadiens are trying to make something happen here. He could have flat-out denied the Canadiens’ interest here, and he did not do that.

The added leverage point here working in Hughes’ favour is that with Dubois making it so abundantly clear he intends on signing with Montreal two years from now, the return the Jets can expect in a trade with any other team would be mitigated by that fact, because those teams wouldn’t feel assured they could sign Dubois to a long-term extension. The only team that would have that assurance right now is Montreal.


I get that it's pay-walled so people may not have seen this (By the way mods, this is only parts of the article, I didn't copy-paste the entire article, which is extensive) but folks still trying to pretend this is your average rumor are completely out to lunch. Short of putting up a billboard saying I WANT TO PLAY IN MONTREAL, there's no way to make this clearer. Dubois wants to play for Montreal. Who knows if it'll happen (I'm guessing it very likely will) but that's still what the situation is presently.
 

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So wait out for the Horvat trade value? Could get worse and the pick is 25+ range where the prospect is not as good as Raty.

Jets may be a playoff team again next year so then what? Trade Dubois in a playoff chase? What a message to fans that would be. Doubt this is in their playbook.

If they have a good run this year, what message does it send trading Dubois in the summer going into the final year of Scheifele and Hellebuyck's contracts?
 

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If they have a good run this year, what message does it send trading Dubois in the summer going into the final year of Scheifele and Hellebuyck's contracts?

It's not a good message but their hands might be tied. If Dubois don't want to extend, keeping him and trading him as a rental for the 2024 deadline is not a good message either for Scheifele and Helle.

This is all about what the Jets try if Dubois continues to say he will only honor his RFA years. Pretty sure the Jets didn't prefer to trade Trouba for the 20th pick and Pionk when you were contenders back when. Better contenders then vs what you are now.
 

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The Jets are in a bind and it truly sucks but the Jets could always flip futures they get from Montreal for immediate help. Hell, Montreal did it just last summer.
 

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1) I'm not a huge fan of Kypreos but one thing I know is he is not a Habs fan and not sure why he would go out of his way to report that. He does have connections inside of the NHL so trying to brush that aside when there is all the other context out there is not something I would do.

2) Dubois's agent said with his own mouth that Dubois wants to play for Montreal. Dubois also had to have a press conference talking about the entire situation and also said "sure, who doesn't want to play for the team they cheered for as a kid. Once again, you are playing the dismiss game when you say he didn't repeatedly say he wants to play for the Habs. What do you want him to do to make you believe? Make a bandwagon party and advertise it? :laugh:. A member of the Jets media started this bud. He said Dubois is telling members of the Jets organization he wants to play for the Habs.

3) He could have easily maximized his worth by signing a 8 year extension with the Jets last offseason. But he didn't and there is very credible reports saying he will explore his UFA options and will not sign past RFA. He doesn't need to wait if he wants to max out his contract.

4) Dubois coming home is good timing for Dubois and the Habs (like it or not). He joins our young group and is less than one year older than Suzuki and 2.5 years older than Dach. He fits and we have the cap structure to add him. Not all our pieces will come from the draft. Rangers were in transition/rebuild when they traded for Trouba.

5) Fans on HF boards are acting like GM's. Yes, this is true and we are not always right. Sure, what's your point? We will be wrong for sure with all the context we have come to know on Dubois? Seems like this upsets you to me.
You seem to have selective hearing. Did you not hear the words out of Dubois mouth during that press conference and multiple other interviews, where he said WINNING is the most important thing to him at this point in his career? That isn’t happening in Montreal any time soon. Funny how you base “your facts” on rumours but ignore the words that actually have been said by PLD.
 

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It's not just about Hughes. It's about Gorton and Hughes and Gorton did trade for Trouba when the Rangers were in rebuild/transition.
I wonder if Winnipeg got a serious offer for Trouba out of fear that NYI or NJ might have made a pitch for him, and all 3 are essentially based in the city of New York....
 

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You seem to have selective hearing. Did you not hear the words out of Dubois mouth during that press conference and multiple other interviews, where he said WINNING is the most important thing to him at this point in his career? That isn’t happening in Montreal any time soon. Funny how you base “your facts” on rumours but ignore the words that actually have been said by PLD.

The press conference was an attempt to calm down the noise. Dubois will say what he has to say just like Tavares said what he said when he was with the Islanders.

I get it, you don't like it cause it's tracking another Trouba situation. I wouldn't like it either. The context is adding up but you can continue to ignore it and call it all rumors. It's a bit more than just rumors at this point bud. Good luck
 
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It's not a good message but their hands might be tied. If Dubois don't want to extend, keeping him and trading him as a rental for the 2024 deadline is not a good message either for Scheifele and Helle.
Then again, for Winnipeg moving Dubois this summer and using the assets (and the cap room) to improve in the short term might help keep the UFAs around, versus having a very good played signed only as long as those UFAs are, anyways.
ie, if I'm a UFA in the summer of '24, and I want to win, seeing other players signed beyond '24 will have more impact on me than playing with someone who is also a UFA in 24 (and explicitly doesn't want to extend)
 

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It's not a good message but their hands might be tied. If Dubois don't want to extend, keeping him and trading him as a rental for the 2024 deadline is not a good message either for Scheifele and Helle.

This is all about what the Jets try if Dubois continues to say he will only honor his RFA years. Pretty sure the Jets didn't prefer to trade Trouba for the 20th pick and Pionk when you were contenders back when. Better contenders then vs what you are now.

Two problems with this:

1) If the Jets are good enough to be buyers at the deadline, they likely won't trade Dubois then either.

2) The "message" to Scheifele and Hellebuyck will be clear before the trade deadline next year because if they aren't re-signed by then, those players are in the same situation as Dubois would be at next year's deadline - that is, playing out their deals and hitting UFA.

The Jets are in a bind and it truly sucks but the Jets could always flip futures they get from Montreal for immediate help. Hell, Montreal did it just last summer.

I don't think Dach was acquired for "immediate help", and given the returns proposed here, those assets won't get much in the way of immediate help anyway.
 
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I wonder if Winnipeg got a serious offer for Trouba out of fear that NYI or NJ might have made a pitch for him, and all 3 are essentially based in the city of New York....

Was it that serious though? Seems fair to me. He did put up 50 pts in his last season with the Jets from what I remember. 20th pick and a young player in Pionk is a good return for one full season. I guess you can say it's a bit on the lower side cause he could get that as a pure rental (deadline trade vs full season).

We can only guess on how many teams Trouba was willing to extend with and if all those teams were in on him for trade. Do you remember the state of team direction the Islanders and Devils were in back when?
 

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Habs fans are not entirely united on this.

* Some say wait to sign him for free (sounds easy right :sarcasm:)

* Some say don't sign or trade for him at all. Same fans who said we should have kept the 13th pick after the Romanov trade and not trade it for Dach. Basically these fans hate what MSL is doing right now which is screwing us over a top 5 pick by trying to win games. Tank obsessive strategy at a time where the Habs are in rebuild/transition and working on a winning culture with our actual roster.

* Some fans say yes, trade for Dubois if it's a Trouba or Horvat trade value. We have futures and pieces we can trade. Basically, if we can trade Romanov for Dach, we can trade the Panthers 1st+ for Dubois.
It doesn’t matter that Habs fans have different opinions on this. What is relevant is talking about reasonable trade compensation for Dubois.

If Hab fans think it only makes sense to trade for him for bargain trade compensation that is less than the Jets could obtain from other teams, just be quiet and don’t propose stupid deals That don’t make any sense for the Jets.

Months later, we have to reiterate this point again.
 
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Two problems with this:

1) If the Jets are good enough to be buyers at the deadline, they likely won't trade Dubois then either.

2) The "message" to Scheifele and Hellebuyck will be clear before the trade deadline next year because if they aren't re-signed by then, those players are in the same situation as Dubois would be at next year's deadline - that is, playing out their deals and hitting UFA.



I don't think Dach was acquired for "immediate help", and given the returns proposed here, those assets won't get much in the way of immediate help anyway.

What do you mean? Dach was acquired to be part of the core but I'm sure the expectation (as it is with all NHL players) was that he'd be an immediate contributor to the team, which he's been. They gave up a high pick for something more tangible, which is an option I'm suggesting Winnipeg could use. Florida's pick should be pretty high. The Habs could offer a great prospect like Owen Beck.
 
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Two problems with this:

1) If the Jets are good enough to be buyers at the deadline, they likely won't trade Dubois then either.

2) The "message" to Scheifele and Hellebuyck will be clear before the trade deadline next year because if they aren't re-signed by then, those players are in the same situation as Dubois would be at next year's deadline - that is, playing out their deals and hitting UFA.



I don't think Dach was acquired for "immediate help", and given the returns proposed here, those assets won't get much in the way of immediate help anyway.

1) I don't see the Jets letting him play out his RFA years and then walking where they get nothing. Sorry, I think that if the Jets can't convince him to extend this summer, they will trade him for the best return they can get and then focus on other trades or UFA signings.

2) The message to Scheifele and Helle is a factor yes. Do the Jets want a mini rebuild or do they want to go all in and remain a team chasing the playoffs. Lots of information can get gathered from now till July 1st and after July 1st, the Jets can look into Scheifele and Helle extensions.... if they choose to do so.

Dach was acquired cause we had depth at LD and not much at center. And the cost to get Dach was cheap so it made sense. Dubois does not make the Habs a playoff team next year. It's just another piece we are trying to add and he's only 2.5 years older than Dach. Habs are not looking at the draft only for our rebuild. Some fans think we are but it's false.
 

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You seem to have selective hearing. Did you not hear the words out of Dubois mouth during that press conference and multiple other interviews, where he said WINNING is the most important thing to him at this point in his career? That isn’t happening in Montreal any time soon. Funny how you base “your facts” on rumours but ignore the words that actually have been said by PLD.

Well, with all of the young guns the Habs already have at defense.

With two young guns at center in Suzuki and Dach.

With tons of good prospects (not one is great, but a lot of quality depth) in the pipeline.

Habs might not prolong their rebuild too much.

If fact, even if Habs didn't officialized their rebuild until last year, they where in semi-reconstruction since the 2018 summer.

They stockpiled draft picks while still trying to win. It's absurd but it was MB (and Molson) strategy.

They didn't sold their value UFAs when the timming was there but still managed to draft 356775434678 times since the 2018 draft .. and it paid off.

Adds the two high picks in the coming (very good) draft.

If PLD wants to come here, he would immediately makes this team better.

But with all those quality youngster eventually coming in, PLD might be smart to foresee a not so far apart positive environment for him in MTL.

And PLD seems to me like a smart kid
 
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