Value of: PLD's trade value this summer with 1 RFA year left?

[LVCarson]

All you are doing is throwing jabs at the Habs direction and playing an exaggerated spin game now. Remember when the Jets fans base said Perfetti was a solution at center? Every fan base has the gullible types, including yours.

The Habs direction is very solid. We have more work to do yet but the youth on our current team is playing very well and our pool has lots of prospects trending very well. Our youth and pool today is stronger than it was in decades. Not all of them will turn into what we think they will but probability due to quantity is working in our favor. Our draft power was very high for a few drafts now.

Dubois will consider the Habs. You just don't like it and will play the spin game now.

So

All you are doing is throwing jabs at the Habs direction and playing an exaggerated spin game now. Remember when the Jets fans base said Perfetti was a solution at center? Every fan base has the gullible types, including yours.

The Habs direction is very solid. We have more work to do yet but the youth on our current team is playing very well and our pool has lots of prospects trending very well. Our youth and pool today is stronger than it was in decades. Not all of them will turn into what we think they will but probability due to quantity is working in our favor. Our draft power was very high for a few drafts now.

Dubois will consider the Habs. You just don't like it and will play the spin game now.

What do you mean throwing jabs? Are you saying those players I mention were not highly regarded young guns like the ones in your pipeline that you are talking about magii is calmly making your team some kind of contender.

I am not sure what you are bringing up perfetti for. Second in rookie scoring this year behind Marty B in Seattle at the age of 20 and in the talks for the Calder. Are we talking the same guy?

Dubois won’t consider the Habs, until he is at the point where he is at the end of his career where WINNING isn’t as important to him, or when the Habs have a complete lineup, that includes a Vezina goalie, a dman that has been in the talks for a Norris, and the supporting cast. Those things don’t appear overnite, so you are likely looking 5-6 years if you do things right, which from looking at your past experience (as I have shown) you haven’t been doing. He will be another Matthieu Perrault. He always wanted to play for the Habs growing up and you guys finally got him.

I know you don’t like facing the facts and like to spin things in your fantasy land that is based around rumours, but how has that been working for you in the past. Every French speaking player in the NHL has been rumoured to be coming to Montreal for the last 20 years, but who actually did? I will give you Perrault to start off your list.

 

[Habs Halifax]

So

What do you mean throwing jabs? Are you saying those players I mention were not highly regarded young guns like the ones in your pipeline that you are talking about magii is calmly making your team some kind of contender.

I am not sure what you are bringing up perfetti for. Second in rookie scoring this year behind Marty B in Seattle at the age of 20 and in the talks for the Calder. Are we talking the same guy?

Dubois won’t consider the Habs, until he is at the point where he is at the end of his career where WINNING isn’t as important to him, or when the Habs have a complete lineup, that includes a Vezina goalie, a dman that has been in the talks for a Norris, and the supporting cast. Those things don’t appear overnite, so you are likely looking 5-6 years if you do things right, which from looking at your past experience (as I have shown) you haven’t been doing. He will be another Matthieu Perrault. He always wanted to play for the Habs growing up and you guys finally got him.

I know you don’t like facing the facts and like to spin things in your fantasy land that is based around rumours, but how has that been working for you in the past. Every French speaking player in the NHL has been rumoured to be coming to Montreal for the last 20 years, but who actually did? I will give you Perrault to start off your list.

Dubois will consider the Habs. Our team direction is not your concern and your team direction if Dubois wants out is not ours.

I'm 60-80% confident Dubois is in a Habs jersey either this summer or as a UFA the summer after. Not 100% but fairly high on it.

I know you don't like facing the facts but Dubois does want to play for the Habs. You can try to brush that under the rug if you wish.

 

[TS Quint]

So

What do you mean throwing jabs? Are you saying those players I mention were not highly regarded young guns like the ones in your pipeline that you are talking about magii is calmly making your team some kind of contender.

I am not sure what you are bringing up perfetti for. Second in rookie scoring this year behind Marty B in Seattle at the age of 20 and in the talks for the Calder. Are we talking the same guy?

Dubois won’t consider the Habs, until he is at the point where he is at the end of his career where WINNING isn’t as important to him, or when the Habs have a complete lineup, that includes a Vezina goalie, a dman that has been in the talks for a Norris, and the supporting cast. Those things don’t appear overnite, so you are likely looking 5-6 years if you do things right, which from looking at your past experience (as I have shown) you haven’t been doing. He will be another Matthieu Perrault. He always wanted to play for the Habs growing up and you guys finally got him.

I know you don’t like facing the facts and like to spin things in your fantasy land that is based around rumours, but how has that been working for you in the past. Every French speaking player in the NHL has been rumoured to be coming to Montreal for the last 20 years, but who actually did? I will give you Perrault to start off your list.

Stop ruining Habs Halifax’s dream narrative with things Dubois actually said Vs what Habs Halifax repeatedly and falsely says he said. Just tell Chevy to accept those cap dumps for nothing or Habs Halifax will tell Hughes the deal is off and make him wait until Dubois goes UFA.

 

[Snowman]

Stop ruining Habs Halifax’s dream narrative with things Dubois actually said Vs what Habs Halifax repeatedly and falsely says he said. Just tell Chevy to accept those cap dumps for nothing or Habs Halifax will tell Hughes the deal is off and make him wait until Dubois goes UFA.

It's like at the time of the Laine trade where he posted hundreds of times how Weber for Laine was a great trade for the Jets and Winnipeg would never get anything better.

No matter how many times you point out reality, it just doesn't sink in for him. He just continued to post the same offer over and over and over.... Telling Jets fans "take it or leave it, that's the best Montreal will offer."

 

[Huffer]

Considering what Canucks fans were asking for for JT Miller, and what Sharks fans are asking for Meier, I think Jets fans have been extremely reasonable in this thread.

 

[ole ole]

If you were Dubois and you really did want to come home, imagine how you would feel if the Habs dilly dallying about it and said lets wait. You can get traded for your last RFA year to another team and we will sign you for "free" in the summer of 24. Move your family twice in 1 year. No big deal eh?

There are risks to both waiting a year and trading for him this summer. Too many Habs fans are playing the wait so we can sign him for free. I'd play that card if the price is too high yeah. But if it's a Trouba or Horvat trade price, I'd get the deal done on draft day. Don't wait... Futures are very important but Dubois is a young player for prime years.

It doesn’t matter that Habs fans have different opinions on this. What is relevant is talking about reasonable trade compensation for Dubois.

If Hab fans think it only makes sense to trade for him for bargain trade compensation that is less than the Jets could obtain from other teams, just be quiet and don’t propose stupid deals That don’t make any sense for the Jets.

Months later, we have to reiterate this point again.

Than try trading him to another team. If all these other team are so interested in him than why is he still a Jet. If we trade for him it will be a lot lower than his market value.
If you can't accept that than too bad.

 

[ole ole]

Or maybe we see what Meier goes for as well.

What Meier goes for has no effect on PLD value.
One refuses to sign long term and is set on becoming a UFA after next season and has express his desire to play for the Habs.
Jet fans should just accept the fact they are not getting near PLD's full value and as a Hab fan i'm fine with it.

That's completely fair. Winnipeg might just be looking at a situation where they're better off trying to keep Dubois for another year and then losing him for nothing. And I'm not being sarcastic at all.

Hopefully that's true. It would benefit the Habs greatly.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

It doesn't mean Montreal should be cheap with picks/prospects in a potential trade but you've really got to have your head in the sand to not see that Dubois wants to go to Montreal. It's obvious in his career moves and it's what every single reporter is reporting and reporting it decisively. Jesus, his own agent is saying it lol.

 

[ole ole]

Jets will get worse with any trade they make involving Dubois they wont be getting fair value with GMs knowing what PLD wants

Exactly.

 

[LVCarson]

Dubois will consider the Habs. Our team direction is not your concern and your team direction if Dubois wants out is not ours.

I'm 60-80% confident Dubois is in a Habs jersey either this summer or as a UFA the summer after. Not 100% but fairly high on it.

I know you don't like facing the facts but Dubois does want to play for the Habs. You can try to brush that under the rug if you wish.

I dont care about your direction

Dubois will consider the Habs. Our team direction is not your concern and your team direction if Dubois wants out is not ours.

I'm 60-80% confident Dubois is in a Habs jersey either this summer or as a UFA the summer after. Not 100% but fairly high on it.

I know you don't like facing the facts but Dubois does want to play for the Habs. You can try to brush that under the rug if you wish.

i could care less about your team direction. I am sure Dubois does care, and I am sure he can see the facts and the history. He knows what a winning team is, and he knows how long it takes to build a winning team. Why would he lie about wanting to be part of a winning team and then turn around and join the Habs. He isn’t going to bet his career on hoping some guys becoming good and that the drafting gods line up perfect. That’s just common sense and fact.

60-80% is funny. You should stay away from Vegas, cause the live fools that bet on rumours. Pssst…buddy, the casinos agent told me the next number coming up on the roulette wheel will be red….tell your friends it’s gonna happen. Don’t rely on the facts that the actual odds say…. Funny. You must have made a killing on the Lecaliver is going to the Habs rumours, or the St. Louis rumours, or huberdeau. Or the Monahan is a superstar, comparable to ROR, or Toews who have won cups and conn smyths and will get a 1st plus. What were your odds on those things? Oh and how about the Habs getting Bedard with their pick and the 3rd overall with the Florida pick. Or all those 1st rounder that people were lined up to give you guys like Eddy or Anderson. Armia for a 2nd. What are those odds like now? Oh…remember when Domi was definitely a 70 point center who was going to 100% bring back a player like Laine, or Dubois if the Habs were going to trade him. I hope you didn’t already lose you shirt on those fantasies that were backed by rumours.

Stick to the facts. You can thank me later. Will save you time crying iwhen it doesn’t happen.

 

[Guffman]

Than try trading him to another team. If all these other team are so interested in him than why is he still a Jet. If we trade for him it will be a lot lower than his market value.
If you can't accept that than too bad.

Why is he still a Jet? Because we had control of him for two years and the Jets are gunning for post-season success. There was no reason to trade him prematurely.

Dubois is having a career year. Of course other teams would be interested in him if the Jets decide to trade him this offseason. Why wouldn’t teams be interested?

Your logic needs some work lol.

 

[Snowman]

The funniest thing about this thread is that the Montreal fans on here are many of the same ones that believe, because Montreal media has told them so, that Josh "cap dump" Anderson with no retention and without taking back bad contracts, will return a 1st in 23 plus a top prospect.

Yet, no team other than Montreal will have any interest in giving up anything of value for a big, young 1C.

How do you debate against a view so skewed against reality?

 

[StreetHawk]

So wait out for the Horvat trade value? Could get worse and the pick is 25+ range where the prospect is not as good as Raty.

Jets may be a playoff team again next year so then what? Trade Dubois in a playoff chase? What a message to fans that would be. Doubt this is in their playbook.

Some poster only care about prospects and not trying to win a Cup. You really can’t afford to gut your roster heading into the PO.

Blues did with Sharty but the prior years in 216 they pushed in with Backes and Brouwer and let them walk for nothing. Couldn’t afford to do it again with shatty. But they didn’t sit in the assets. Flipped one of the picks to Phil to acquire Schenn.

 

[pth2]

The funniest thing about this thread is that the Montreal fans on here are many of the same ones that believe, because Montreal media has told them so, that Josh "cap dump" Anderson with no retention and without taking back bad contracts, will return a 1st in 23 plus a top prospect.

Yet, no team other than Montreal will have any interest in giving up anything of value for a big, young 1C.

How do you debate against a view so skewed against reality?

Impressive strawman.

 

[Snowman]

Impressive strawman.

With you being one of the "Anderson reality" I'm sure that's the only rebuttal point you have.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

For several months, it has been an open secret in Winnipeg: Pierre-Luc Dubois would like to play in Montreal.

Multiple sources confirmed to The Athletic that wearing the Canadiens’ bleu, blanc et rouge is a dream that Dubois is not shy to talk about in private company.

Now Dubois’ agent, Pat Brisson, is making those desires as public as possible. Brisson has stirred the Dubois-to-Montreal pot in multiple media appearances this week in a clear attempt to catalyze trade talks between the Jets and Canadiens.

A source with knowledge of the situation confirmed to The Athletic that Dubois attended the NHL Draft in Montreal because he believed a trade would be completed on the draft floor. As first reported by Radio-Canada’s Martin Leclerc, Montreal offered three players to the Jets in hopes of securing Dubois’ rights.

Whereas teams in New York, Calgary or any other city will only be willing to pay for two years’ worth of Dubois’ services, Montreal has more confidence it can sign him long-term.

If Brisson can make Dubois’ desires so public that other teams become less interested in him, then Montreal’s offer — as inadequate as it may seem now — may end up standing above the competition.

There is also the matter of Dubois asking to be traded just two years after the last time he asked to be moved. There are teams that will be turned off by his requests, writing him off as a player who is simply trying to force his way to Montreal.

Hughes said he’s not allowed to talk about another team’s player, which is fine. But when asked a hypothetical question as to if the Jets would be willing to trade Dubois, if he would have any interest, Hughes responded with a hypothetical of his own.
“If we had the means to acquire a big centre who is established in the NHL,” Hughes said, “for sure we would have an interest.”

There’s nothing earth shattering there, but the way Hughes addressed the question did nothing to quell the belief the Canadiens are trying to make something happen here. He could have flat-out denied the Canadiens’ interest here, and he did not do that.

The added leverage point here working in Hughes’ favour is that with Dubois making it so abundantly clear he intends on signing with Montreal two years from now, the return the Jets can expect in a trade with any other team would be mitigated by that fact, because those teams wouldn’t feel assured they could sign Dubois to a long-term extension. The only team that would have that assurance right now is Montreal.

I get that it's pay-walled so people may not have seen this (By the way mods, this is only parts of the article, I didn't copy-paste the entire article, which is extensive) but folks still trying to pretend this is your average rumor are completely out to lunch. Short of putting up a billboard saying I WANT TO PLAY IN MONTREAL, there's no way to make this clearer. Dubois wants to play for Montreal. Who knows if it'll happen (I'm guessing it very likely will) but that's still what the situation is presently.

I never said there weren’t a bunch of rumours. I said his agent who is the quote that everyone leans on has said the same thing about other clients wanting to play for their home teams. His agent saying this doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. I have no doubt that Dubois has some desire to play for his home team. Lots of players do. It often doesn’t work out (timing, cap, state of the franchise, positional needs).

Dubois HAS been quoted as saying he wants to play for a competitive team that has a chance at winning the cup. If he gets to UFA the timing might not be right based on where the Habs are in their rebuild and their need for 1C. A lot of GM’s will kick tires on PLD as a UFA. That means a lot to consider for $$$, location, taxes, usage and other factors.

If the Habs are lucky enough to draft a C this summer who projects as a #1 that could complicate things for both sides.

A lot of things can change between now and summer 2024. We’ll see if either the team or the player are still pining for each other by then.

 

[ole ole]

Why is he still a Jet? Because we had control of him for two years and the Jets are gunning for post-season success. There was no reason to trade him prematurely.

Dubois is having a career year. Of course other teams would be interested in him if the Jets decide to trade him this offseason. Why wouldn’t teams be interested?

Your logic needs some work lol.

Why would other teams over pay for a rental?
Your in denial and it's showing but keep reaching for them straws.

 

[Pongs21]

Why would other teams over pay for a rental?
Your in denial and it's showing but keep reaching for them straws.

Are you new to hockey or something? Why would a contending team overpay for a young, big 1C?
Thinking a team would be crazy to try to out bid the "generous" offer of a mid 1st and Armia is so far fetched for you? The only straws here are the house some of you Habs fans live in.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Than try trading him to another team. If all these other team are so interested in him than why is he still a Jet. If we trade for him it will be a lot lower than his market value.
If you can't accept that than too bad.

A big reason he is still a Jet is that the team is in a win now state. Finding another top 6 impact C is very difficult. Trading him last summer would have really limited what the team could accomplish in the 2nd last year of Hellebuyck and Scheifele’s contract. Chevy is always pretty patient with these things.

 

[Finnflash]

There is nothing new here. Same thing has been said for 42 pages. I wasted a whole 10 min.

 

[Baksfamous112]

The funniest thing about this thread is that the Montreal fans on here are many of the same ones that believe, because Montreal media has told them so, that Josh "cap dump" Anderson with no retention and without taking back bad contracts, will return a 1st in 23 plus a top prospect.

Yet, no team other than Montreal will have any interest in giving up anything of value for a big, young 1C.

How do you debate against a view so skewed against reality?

Why does it matter this much to you? Reports all over the place says Montreal likes him and he love playing here and they don’t want to move him. I’m not sure why he’s being the focus point of a PLD thread

 

[Finnflash]

Why does it matter this much to you? Reports all over the place says Montreal likes him and he love playing here and they don’t want to move him. I’m not sure why he’s being the focus point of a PLD thread

At least it’s something new to read

 

[Baksfamous112]

At least it’s something new to read

But is it?

 

[broc]

Not sure what the Habs or other fans would do but the contract going the other way (Dvorak, Eddy, or Armia) is not pieces we will take value credit for. Panthers 1st would be the prime piece we offer. Then a Grade B+ type on top. That's likely as far as we reach cause we are still in rebuild/transition years even if we add Dubois.

I get that the Jets feel like they deserve more. I would feel the same but this is clearly a leverage strategy the Habs will engage on. If the Trouba leverage is there. What do other GM's think when they hear Dubois wants to play for the Habs? Not sure but any team trading for him will likely want sign/trade and not take the chance the Jets tried with trying to convince him to stay. I do see GM's considering the one RFA year but in this case, the offers are less IMO. Probably late 1st and B+ prospect offers.

Habs strategy is to offer slightly more than one full RFA year in value. Panthers 1st (12-18) range is a good starting piece. Some Habs fans would not even offer it. Not sure what Gorton/Hughes offer to be honest.

Lol, what leverage?
The Habs have no leverage in trading for PLD. None. Zero.

You act like Winnipeg only has Montreal to trade with. His agent made an offhand statement quite a while ago. PLD corrected/clarified/explained it. And Habs fans just run with it like it’s some foregone conclusion PLD will end up there no matter what.
Philly fans thought and acted the same way with Gaudreau- like he’s just gonna come home. How’d that work out for them?

PLD will simply be traded to whoever pays the highest/best price. He doesn’t have a NoTrade clause. He can be traded to ANYONE. So Chevy will gauge the market, and he’ll go to who makes the best offer.

So this whole “we have leverage so we‘ll just offer XYZ“ angle some Habs fans seem to take from time to time makes no sense. And even if you believe in your heart and soul, that by god yes- PLD‘s heart is in MTL, and there’s no keeping him away.….

.….the Jets and everyone else say- so what? Lots of teams trade for players for Cup runs they know they have no cap space for after said playoff run. Every year teams trade for dudes they know they cant sign him cuz they‘re capped out.

If Winnipeg decides to trade PLD.. either in the summer, or at next years trade deadline, he will be treated just like every other pending UFA trade chip- he’ll go to the highest bidder, and Winnipeg can retain to open the door to make it possible to many more or even most teams.

If NYR flame out this playoff run, you don’t think they’d take a long hard look at a PLD with retention? Colorado? Canes.

PLD is a big, top-line centerman who plays a physical 2 way game. He is a top pedigree player with good experience already. He’s taken a big step forward this season and is playing the best hockey of his career. And he’s just now entering his prime. Almost every playoff team in the league next year will want to make that kind of addition (not to mention it gives them first dibs at trying to woo him into staying).

He is likely to be the biggest trade chip in several years. There is no such thing as “leverage over Winnipeg” in this instance- it’s simply Habs Halifax wet dream of wishful fulfillment.

Also, after that, it will be PLD’s opening to sign the biggest long-term contract most players ever sign. You think he’s gonna take a haircut on the biggest contract opportunity of his career? Maybe he goes to MTL, maybe he doesn’t, he won’t be cheap in any case.

Even if MTL is a big consideration for him, he’s gonna have everyone calling his agent, and will go visit other teams who will show him all kinds of reasons why it makes sense for him to sign with them. All it takes is 1 team to impress him and all your guys talk is hot air (as if it isn’t already )

 

[Finnflash]

But is it?

Well it was for me as the other 42 pages were just saying the same thing.