Value of: PLD's trade value this summer with 1 RFA year left?

[The Great Weal]

80-90 point big physical 2-way C

Who's the 80-90 point big physical 2-way C?

 

[Habs Halifax]

If the Jets go the route of a rebuild this summer or next, Helle will be traded also, he's already stated he wants to compete for a cup and no interest in being on any rebuilding team.

You could get a very good haul for several guys. And with a growing cap to come, it would be easier to move guys with higher AAV.

Jets ownership and management are frugal. I think they should come out of this well if the right decisions are made and ownership buys into it.

 

[sansabri]

It’s hilarious at how the Hab fans in here are counting their chickens before they are hatched. Dubois already said playing for a great winning team is way way more important to him than ever playing for a team he followed growing up. He has already played for a middle of the pack team in Columbus, and wanted to win more. Why would he ever sign long term with a team that just finished last in the league to start his journey over from the bottom. Don’t worry hab fans I heard Matthieu Perrault always wanted to play for Montreal. I am sure you guys can sign Dubois for his final season in the league too, but that won’t be for at least 12 years.

only reason why Dubois to MTL keeps getting brought up is because it's been reported more than once that he wants to play for the Habs. weird dig tho for your first post to bring up Perreault

 

[614 CBJ]

will the Jets include a case of depends for her?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Who's the 80-90 point centre? Surely you don't mean Dubois who's more like a 55-65 point player.

55-65 is fair but he will be paid as a 60-80 pts center at the min. It's the cost to purchase UFA years. Same applies to Horvat and Kadri but that Kadri contract is grossly overpayment for a 32 year old.

80-100 or 80-90 is something his agent might try. I think it's starts at $8M min for both Horvat and PLD. How greedy they are above that depends on what gullible/aggressive GM offers them.

It’s hilarious at how the Hab fans in here are counting their chickens before they are hatched. Dubois already said playing for a great winning team is way way more important to him than ever playing for a team he followed growing up. He has already played for a middle of the pack team in Columbus, and wanted to win more. Why would he ever sign long term with a team that just finished last in the league to start his journey over from the bottom. Don’t worry hab fans I heard Matthieu Perrault always wanted to play for Montreal. I am sure you guys can sign Dubois for his final season in the league too, but that won’t be for at least 12 years.

We are not counting our chickens before they hatch. We are following a string on information context that has been released over the last year.

You probably think Habs think we are getting him 100% now. Why? Because we are talking about the potential possibility. Give us a break

 

[lomiller1]

No you don't. That's the qualifying offer in order to retain your RFA asset. If there is no long term agreement, that qualifying offer kicks in. That's how it works.

Why would he ever accept a deal that doesn't pay him 9+ million next year? The only reason would be if the long term deal is an overpay. if it's not he can take the $9 million next year go to free agency the following year and still command his full open market value.

If Ottawa wants to retain his rights past his UFA years they are in a position where they MUST overpay him, and this suppressed his trade value. Go back and look at the trade thread, people were marveling that Ottawa got him so cheaply if they didn't quite understand the contract issues. at the end of the day Chicago got much less for Debrincat than people expected had all other things were equal, so using him as a comparable for a trade is unreasonable players without the contract situation would and will return more trade value.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why would he ever accept a deal that doesn't pay him 9+ million next year? The only reason would be if the long term deal is an overpay. if it's not he can take the $9 million next year go to free agency the following year and still command his full open market value.

If Ottawa wants to retain his rights past his UFA years they are in a position where they MUST overpay him, and this suppressed his trade value. Go back and look at the trade thread, people were marveling that Ottawa got him so cheaply if they didn't quite understand the contract issues. at the end of the day Chicago got much less for Debrincat than people expected had all other things were equal, so using him as a comparable for a trade is unreasonable players without the contract situation would and will return more trade value.

He can use in in leverage and there is an angle to that but it's not the min amount on a long term deal. A lot depends on if he likes it in Ottawa and also what he thinks he can get if he is a UFA.

Do you think Meir's contract is going to be $10M min?

 

[Srsly]

he's on pace for it this year, and it's not out of line with his upward trajectory. Remember he's still only 24 and year over year improvements are still the norm at that age.

You could use the same argument to call Marner a 100-110pt winger and Horvat a 50-60 goal scorer. I think it’s a little easy to base his ceiling off a hot streak. He’s closer to a 60pt center with offensive upside.

 

[LVCarson]

55-65 is fair but he will be paid as a 60-80 pts center at the min. It's the cost to purchase UFA years. Same applies to Horvat and Kadri but that Kadri contract is grossly overpayment for a 32 year old.

80-100 or 80-90 is something his agent might try. I think it's starts at $8M min for both Horvat and PLD. How greedy they are above that depends on what gullible/aggressive GM offers them.



We are not counting our chickens before they hatch. We are following a string on information context that has been released over the last year.

You probably think Habs think we are getting him 100% now. Why? Because we are talking about the potential possibility. Give us a break

Wait so you talking that a Dubois trade to Montreal is more likely than Dubois signing a 2-3 year contract with the Jets, cause you seem to have the inside track that he wasn’t doing that and tried to shut that down just a couple of posts ago. Give us a break.

 

[lomiller1]

Who's the 80-90 point centre? Surely you don't mean Dubois who's more like a 55-65 point player.

30 points in 28 games without the absurd shooting percentages needed by Suzuki to hit that same point total. If you don't believe he'll hit the 80-90 point range by year end you are probably mistaken, but there is no argument against the fact that PLD immediately becomes the habs best offensive center and immediately becomes the habs best defensive center.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Wait so you talking that a Dubois trade to Montreal is more likely than Dubois signing a 2-3 year contract with the Jets, cause you seem to have the inside track that he wasn’t doing that and tried to shut that down just a couple of posts ago. Give us a break.

I don't like this kind of spin. I'll be brief but yes, this is my opinion.

* Dubois traded to Montreal or signing as a UFA is a real possibility. I'm 75% sure on it so fairly confident. The circumstances are lining up well. Dubois is indeed interested in Montreal, Habs have a good direction, He's one year older than Suzuki so he fits, and we do have the assets to acquire.

* Dubois is not signing a 2-3 year deal. I'm 99% sure on that.

 

[LVCarson]

only reason why Dubois to MTL keeps getting brought up is because it's been reported more than once that he wants to play for the Habs. weird dig tho for your first post to bring up Perreault

Go back and listen t

only reason why Dubois to MTL keeps getting brought up is because it's been reported more than once that he wants to play for the Habs. weird dig tho for your first post to bring up Perreault

Go back and listen to his interview saying exactly what I said instead of saying “it has been brought up”. Why is Perrault example so hard to understand for you. He always said he wanted to play for the Habs. He was just smart enough to go there when his career was finished, not when he had a desire to win. Why would Dubois throw away his career?

 

[lomiller1]

Do you think Meir's contract is going to be $10M min?

He'll either get $10 million on a short deal or be overpaid on a longer deal. Either case limits his trade value.

 

[Hunter368]

You could get a very good haul for several guys. And with a growing cap to come, it would be easier to move guys with higher AAV.

Jets ownership and management are frugal. I think they should come out of this well if the right decisions are made and ownership buys into it.

Frugal yes, they manage it like a true business if there is payback they are open to spending but they don't throw away money either, but they are one of the richest owner groups (TNSE & David Thompson is one of the richest men in the world) in pro sports they just choose to rarely flex that power. They have endured COVID well considering they're a small market team. Chevy & Ownership seem to see things very much the same way to-date, so we'll see how they manage PLD & any potential rebuild/restructure.

Summary after the 2023-2024 season here are the only Jets signed currently:

KC two more years
Lowry two more years
Pionk one more year
Nate S one more year
Ehlers one more year
Appleton one more year
Josh M four more years

Rest are RFA's (most are not core players) and rest are UFA's...........sure smells like a potential rebuild happening soon. Aka if not this summer, then maybe next years TDL/summer. I don't see the Jets who are a true draft & develop team rolling the dice with all their UFA's and going all in like CBJ did in the past.......certainly didn't work well for them and I highly doubt the Jets do it either, they are a pragmatic ownership group. IMO

Trading guys (some) like the following with one year or less on their deals with retention would bring a lot of futures to accelerate the rebuild:

Wheeler
Mark S
PLD
Lowry
Helle
Ehlers
Pionk
etc

Time will tell

 

[Habs Halifax]

He'll either get $10 million on a short deal or be overpaid on a longer deal. Either case limits his trade value.

So are you saying Debrincat returns more than the 7th OA pick if his salary was less than $9M? I'm not sure which is why the question mark is there.

Higher than the 7th OA pick for two years of control .

 

[Habs Halifax]

Frugal yes, they manage it like a true business if there is payback they are open to spending but they don't throw away money either, but they are one of the richest owner groups (TNSE & David Thompson is one of the richest men in the world) in pro sports they just choose to rarely flex that power. They have endured COVID well considering they're a small market team. Chevy & Ownership seem to see things very much the same way to-date, so we'll see how they manage PLD & any potential rebuild/restructure.

Summary after the 2023-2024 season here are the only Jets signed currently:

KC two more years
Lowry two more years
Pionk one more year
Nate S one more year
Ehlers one more year
Appleton one more year
Josh M four more years

Rest are RFA's (most are not core players) and rest are UFA's...........sure smells like a potential rebuild happening soon. Aka if not this summer, then maybe next years TDL/summer. I don't see the Jets who are a true draft & develop team rolling the dice with all their UFA's and going all in like CBJ did in the past.......certainly didn't work well for them and I highly doubt the Jets do it either, they are a pragmatic ownership group. IMO

Trading guys (some) like the following with one year or less on their deals with retention would bring a lot of futures to accelerate the rebuild:

Wheeler
Mark S
PLD
Lowry
Helle
Ehlers
Pionk
etc

Time will tell

Until then, good luck in the playoffs. First things first. Go on a deep run with what you have now. Jets improved their team D this year and this is why the goals against per game is lower and more wins as a result.

 

[sansabri]

Go back and listen t

Go back and listen to his interview saying exactly what I said instead of saying “it has been brought up”. Why is Perrault example so hard to understand for you. He always said he wanted to play for the Habs. He was just smart enough to go there when his career was finished, not when he had a desire to win. Why would Dubois throw away his career?

i'm confused. what big teams did Perreault ever play for

 

[Hunter368]

Until then, good luck in the playoffs. First things first. Go on a deep run with what you have now. Jets improved their team D this year and this is why the goals against per game is lower and more wins as a result.

Having a real coach and real systems makes a huge difference, I think Chevy got the message after the players even called out the lack of systems at the end of the season. Chevy let the entire group go and hired everyone new except Helle goalie coach who Helle wanted to keep. Best move he could of made was getting entirely new coaching staff, Jets fans have been screaming for it to be done for years.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Go back and listen t

Go back and listen to his interview saying exactly what I said instead of saying “it has been brought up”. Why is Perrault example so hard to understand for you. He always said he wanted to play for the Habs. He was just smart enough to go there when his career was finished, not when he had a desire to win. Why would Dubois throw away his career?

The interview came later after a bunch of context came out. The intentions of that meeting with the press was to calm down the noise from media/fans and his main message was he has a contract with the Jets and wants to focus on this season and how to help the Jets win.

This is a timing issue. It's circumstantial.

* If the Jets had the core they had 4 years ago, Dubois might stay. However the Jets cap structure and timing of when contracts expire does not give Dubois confidence where he won't be left on a island by himself in 2/3 years. There are players on the Jets who have talked about wanting to win vs being part of rebuild. So this not things other fans are making up with nothing to back it up.

* If the Habs had the roster we had in 2018, Dubois probably doesn't want to come home. Why? Because all the pressure would be on him. It's different today cause our team direction is good and the pressure would be spread out on several players. Like it or not, it's a good time for him to come home. Weather it be a trade this summer or as a UFA the following summer.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Having a real coach and real systems makes a huge difference, I think Chevy got the message after the players even called out the lack of systems at the end of the season. Chevy let the entire group go and hired everyone new except Helle goalie coach who Helle wanted to keep. Best move he could of made was getting entirely new coaching staff, Jets fans have been screaming for it to be done for years.

I'm a firm believer that you need to be good in all 3 areas. Offense, Defense, and Goaltending. A strong Defense with good goaltending takes pressure off the offense. A bad goal at the wrong time usually kills momentum. Not many comprehend that well.

i'm confused. what big teams did Perreault ever play for

Perreault is a bad example to compare to Dubois.

* With Dubois and Montreal, it's mutual interest at the right time where it lines up well.

* With Perreault and Montreal, was Montreal ever that interested in him as a middle 6F type in his prime? Sure but he never was as good as Dubois so I don't get the comparison. The only comparison is they are both from Quebec. That's it.

Was Perreault ever a 2C? Comparing Perrault to Dubois on home town guys is like comparing Clarkson to Tavares

 

[Hunter368]

I'm a firm believer that you need to be good in all 3 areas. Offense, Defense, and Goaltending. A strong Defense with good goaltending takes pressure off the offense. A bad goal at the wrong time usually kills momentum. Not many comprehend that well.

I would agree with this, albeit I would add you also need good coaching to be a serious threat.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I would agree with this, albeit I would add you also need good coaching to be a serious threat.

I was pondering this... Wouldn't it be a shock if both Dubois and Scheifele are traded this summer?

Dubois to the Habs for:
* Panthers 1st (10-20 range... likely 10-16 range IMO)
* Kidney
* Harris
* Dvorak (just a body in place for rebuild years... supports the tank)

Scheifele to the Avs (50% retention):
* Avs 2024 1st (No Protection)
* Newhook
* Other adds TBD

Sakic buys time by getting Scheifele now at 50% which fits his cap and then signs him for the following season when the cap is closer to $90M.

Jets get Toews to come home to play with Connor.

Jets get two 1st rounders, Newhook, Harris, Kidney, and possibly one more piece from the Avs. Would be a good start to an accelerated rebuild and your pick for 2024 should be good.

 

[LVCarson]

You

I don't like this kind of spin. I'll be brief but yes, this is my opinion.

* Dubois traded to Montreal or signing as a UFA is a real possibility. I'm 75% sure on it so fairly confident. The circumstances are lining up well. Dubois is indeed interested in Montreal, Habs have a good direction, He's one year older than Suzuki so he fits, and we do have the assets to acquire.

* Dubois is not signing a 2-3 year deal. I'm 99% sure on that.

I don't like this kind of spin. I'll be brief but yes, this is my opinion.

* Dubois traded to Montreal or signing as a UFA is a real possibility. I'm 75% sure on it so fairly confident. The circumstances are lining up well. Dubois is indeed interested in Montreal, Habs have a good direction, He's one year older than Suzuki so he fits, and we do have the assets to acquire.

* Dubois is not signing a 2-3 year deal. I'm 99% sure on that.

You should reall go buy some lottery numbers if you can tell the future. Hab fanboys

i'm confused. what big teams did Perreault ever play for

Better than a team that finished last place? That would be anyone.

 

[LVCarson]

The interview came later after a bunch of context came out. The intentions of that meeting with the press was to calm down the noise from media/fans and his main message was he has a contract with the Jets and wants to focus on this season and how to help the Jets win.

This is a timing issue. It's circumstantial.

* If the Jets had the core they had 4 years ago, Dubois might stay. However the Jets cap structure and timing of when contracts expire does not give Dubois confidence where he won't be left on a island by himself in 2/3 years. There are players on the Jets who have talked about wanting to win vs being part of rebuild. So this not things other fans are making up with nothing to back it up.

* If the Habs had the roster we had in 2018, Dubois probably doesn't want to come home. Why? Because all the pressure would be on him. It's different today cause our team direction is good and the pressure would be spread out on several players. Like it or not, it's a good time for him to come home. Weather it be a trade this summer or as a UFA the following summer.

How would you know the context of the interview? Oh wait…you don’t.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You


You should reall go buy some lottery numbers if you can tell the future. Hab fanboys

Better than a team that finished last place? That would be anyone.

You asked a question and I answered it. I don't expect you to agree but I'm also not surprised you took it to this level. Classic.

Learn to respect a difference of opinion better.

How would you know the context of the interview? Oh wait…you don’t.

The interview that was on TV? Are we talking about two different interviews?

If you keep up with this type of controversial narrative or approach, I'm putting you on ignore mode. Are you new to HF boards? Appears so. I'll let you decide your next steps. Debate in good faith or continue on with the two types of post above. Your choice