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Confirmed with Link: PLD to the Kings for Iafallo, Vilardi, Kupari and a 2nd in 2024 (orig Mtl’s pick)

Helle has a very good chance of being an outlier. He's remarkably durable, able to play 70+ games, and doesn't rely on athleticism to make saves. I can see him playing above average for the next 7 years. If he doesn't win a cup, it won't be because of him (unless his next contract is bonkers lol).
 
CorgisPer60 said:
I don't buy that there weren't any good deals to be had last year, or at any time he's had to move a player. He was able to get a brilliant return for Evander Kane, and that happened over the course of 4 days. I think there's far more evidence that he'll only trade a core part of the team if there's no other option but to trade them. It's never about the player not being good enough, but because they have to move them. I would like to see Cheveldayoff seeing a deal and pouncing on it. Make the team better through trades and drafting, because obviously the location isn't good enough to attract FAs.
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well in an ideal world you would be able to trade players one for one, but we live in one where those players = to ours all have trade protection. I think trades would be a lot easier to make if we had a bigger pool of players to select from
 
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CorgisPer60 said:
I don't buy that there weren't any good deals to be had last year, or at any time he's had to move a player. He was able to get a brilliant return for Evander Kane, and that happened over the course of 4 days. I think there's far more evidence that he'll only trade a core part of the team if there's no other option but to trade them. It's never about the player not being good enough, but because they have to move them. I would like to see Cheveldayoff seeing a deal and pouncing on it. Make the team better through trades and drafting, because obviously the location isn't good enough to attract FAs.
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We've had this convo before... it's just really hard to know unless we knew what the "deal to pounce on" was

For the record, I'm not disagreeing with you per se. Chevy seems methodical and risk adverse. Because of that, we criticize him for the deals he DOESN'T make instead of something impetuous that he pulls off that goes sideways
 
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CorgisPer60 said:
I don't buy that there weren't any good deals to be had last year, or at any time he's had to move a player. He was able to get a brilliant return for Evander Kane, and that happened over the course of 4 days. I think there's far more evidence that he'll only trade a core part of the team if there's no other option but to trade them. It's never about the player not being good enough, but because they have to move them. I would like to see Cheveldayoff seeing a deal and pouncing on it. Make the team better through trades and drafting, because obviously the location isn't good enough to attract FAs.
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I mean most teams go out of their way to hold their core pieces as long as possible. It's really only when they demand out or are coming towards UFA that you see them moved. Not very many teams voluntarily trade their core pieces.

Having said that I do believe in some instances (Kane) he should have moved on sooner. In others like Trouba he made the right call for the team and still got a decent return.

I think some players need to be dealt at the right time to get max value. A guy like Copp never brings in the haul he did in the offseason. I also wonder if Dubas doesn't bring close to this haul if dealt with two years of control due to the acquiring team not being sure if they can sign him.

I do think Chevy could have been more proactive at addressing the dcore after Buff left. He pretty much went with Poolman as the top paring Rd because he couldn't go out and shore it up. It wasted two seasons.

I do think he now has a coach and identity set and you are seeing moves designed to match it.
 
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surixon said:
He is a pending ufa that hasn't been reupped as of yet. So no clue if he will or won't be back
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Seems like everyone on the team loved him but not sure if the Jets see him in their plans now that we added Iafallo. The bottom of the lineup has a lot of open space. Lowry and Barron seem like for sures. Then you got Gus, Apples, Stenlund, Kupari and Apples. Maybe they bring him back on a 1 year deal if he'll take it but I can't see them going anymore than that. Want to give the kids some room to prove themselves.
 
Daximus said:
Seems like everyone on the team loved him but not sure if the Jets see him in their plans now that we added Iafallo. The bottom of the lineup has a lot of open space. Lowry and Barron seem like for sures. Then you got Gus, Apples, Stenlund, Kupari and Apples. Maybe they bring him back on a 1 year deal if he'll take it but I can't see them going anymore than that. Want to give the kids some room to prove themselves.
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I'd like him as our 4C that could play up during injuries. He can fill in on both special teams units as well.
 
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Only issue is Vilardi didnt play center in LA. Not sure if he's going to be a center here either. Hearing foot speed is his main issue. If he cant we really need Perfetti to make it as a center or weve got some problems.
 
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Yeah that doesn't hurt at all either. I think having him as 4C could get some offense out of Kupri and whoever else plays on the 4th line.
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Yeah perhaps the Jets have brought him a bit of a lower offer in the 2 year range and he might test FA to see if anything better is out there before circling back,

jokesondee said:
Only issue is Vilardi didnt play center in LA. Not sure if he's going to be a center here either. Hearing foot speed is his main issue. If he cant we really need Perfetti to make it as a center or weve got some problems.
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Yeah I think we cross that bridge when we get there. Give Perfetti and Vilardi plenty of chances to play C next year and see if either one of them takes the reigns, whoever does the other can line up on their wing.

We still have a few other young guys percolating that may be able to fill that gap if neither of them proves they can jump in. I fully expect a little bit of growing pains next year.
 
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Yeah perhaps the Jets have brought him a bit of a lower offer in the 2 year range and he might test FA to see if anything better is out there before circling back,



Yeah I think we cross that bridge when we get there. Give Perfetti and Vilardi plenty of chances to play C next year and see if either one of them takes the reigns, whoever does the other can line up on their wing.

We still have a few other young guys percolating that may be able to fill that gap if neither of them proves they can jump in. I fully expect a little bit of growing pains next year.
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I mean outside of faceoffs Perfetti essentially plays like a C on the ice. What would be all that different in his game converting him. He already has the reads and positioning down. They can have him and Vilardi switch in the dzone if need be depending on the opponent.

Also foot speed isn't as big of a deal if your mind is ahead of the play and you are in the correct positioning. It's why Crosby is still all world despite being significantly less explosive then he was in his prime.
 
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Any thoughts on impact of this trade on Namestnikov? Will he still re-sign in Winnipeg?
 
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