Playoffs or High Draft Pick?

[Winreims]

Playoffs. I'm tired of this ****.

 

[Bomber0104]

Where did we offer a 1st in any trade lately?

Luongo isn't going for a first round pick.

if a first goes in a trade for a #1 C, what would be the problem with that if you already have luongo?

The issue isn't with Luongo it's about last season.

If you had a choice to go trade the first for the chance to go to the playoffs or draft some guy named Morgan Rielly, which would you have chosen?

 

[Rare Jewel]

Free agents? Really? That's the reason for sending out our prospects and number one center is to maybe attract a better free agent?

There are no good free agents anymore.

The NHL has done everything they can to eliminate unrestricted free agency and they have largely succeeded. And this is your plan?

How bout this.

How bout we keep our prospects, number one center, and actually build this club through the draft...like normal teams do.

That way...when we actually have a good team...we are ready for an over the hill goalie to take us over the top!

As I've already highlighted before, there were two star free agents this year...but MANY MORE FORMER PROSPECTS that emerged as stars.

WHO said anything about trading prospects for 1 or 2 year fixes? A

Luongo will here for at least 4 perhaps even 5 years. Are you just making stuff up that suits your argument?


I have no problem with drafting as you may perceive I do, I have problem with losing on purpose and turning down good opportunities when they arise that could help our team.

 

[Hurt]

Show of hands here...

If some prospect junkie was to come along and tell you there's some kid named Morgan Rielly that is just brimming with talent whom the Leafs should do everything in their power to draft (including losing)...would you have agreed with this person or would you have cut that person off and suggested that our first should be traded for a chance at the playoffs?

I don't think anyone is saying trade the 1st as it is a deep draft with a decent chance of getting Top 6 Fs or Top 4 Ds in the mid 1st round. No one is saying 'trade the 1st to get in to the playoffs', rather, the Leafs MAKE the playoffs and draft wherever they land.

 

[Bomber0104]

Lmao yes, Bozak is a #1 Centre, Is that what you just said to me?

Is he our top line center or not? Does Kessel not play best with Bozak?

Bozak is a 3rd line C on a good team. a decent prospect is someone like Ashton or colborne, I wouldnt miss one of those at all.

Ashton and Colborne are one of our worst prospects in that age group.

Kadri/Gardiner/Frattin are our good ones and I would miss them, especially for a goalie who will take us no where.

I know what you're gonna say, because bozak is our top centre we should just bottom and get a new one! but what happens if we end up 6th and all the top C's are gone? just keep doing it hoping we catch a great prospect after 3 more years of tanking?

The Leafs have finished 5th last, 9th last, and 2nd last during the past three years...that's an average of about 5th last. Plus no new additions while other teams have gotten better, coupled with an ability to trade away pieces at the trade deadline, makes it pretty easy to grab 5th last with how bad this team is. With 5th overall we are looking at one of Drouin/Barkov/Lindholm/Monahan.

or maybe we get Luongo, get in the playoffs, interest some UFA's(cause really we only need a #1 C after Luongo) or maybe even just trade for a top centre.

There are no good free agents anymore. If we are only purchasing Luongo (trading prospects and our number one center) to attract free agents why would we just NOT purchase Luongo and his horrid contract (keep our prospects and number one center) and draft well with our firsts at the top of the board for two years (two star talents and cheaper than any free agent).

And now you're dissing Luongo, what should we do about goaltending then? Just hope we catch lighting in a bottle after a few more years of crap goaltending?

Play Reimer and draft studs.

Simple.

Worry about goaltending later.

 

[DaveT83*]

High Draft pick no question about it.

 

[Winreims]

Bozak our number one center and a decent prospect...wow...that's all?

Really?

Playoffs?

Then what?

If Luongo couldn't do it in Vancouver, on the wrong side of 30 he isn't about to here!

Dear lord...



Umm...because why?

Because you, personally, are fed up with it?

That's not a good enough reason Im afraid, and one that doesnt really help our dismal future out all that much (seeing as you want to remove the #1 center and prospects).

If Bozak is what we're worried about giving up for a true starting goaltender, then we really do have problems...

 

[The Blue Devil]

So why couldn't the Leafs win against them?

What does that have to do with their pitiful division? I'd like to see what the Leafs could do in a division without Boston and Buffalo.

 

[Bomber0104]

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WHO said anything about trading prospect for 1 or 2 year fixes? A

Luongo will here for at least 4 perhaps even 5 years. Are you jut making stuff up that suits your argument?


I have no problem with drafting as you may perceive I do, I have problem with loosing on purpose and turning down good opportunities when they arise that could help our team.

Luongo is 33.

If he could not help the Vancouver Canucks win it all (a WAY BETTER team than Toronto) there is absolutely 100% NO FREAKING WAY he can do any better with Toronto.

How many times can this be said before it clicks in?!

If Toronto by the grace of God and our Lord Savior could materialize even half as good a team as Vancouver in two years time, Luongo is 35...and won't be able to help.

If Toronto by the grace of God could materialize as good a team as Vancouver (Sedins, Kesler, Edler, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Burrows, Malhotra) in four years time, Luongo is 37...and won't be able to help.

This is a suicidal way of "attracting free agents".

There's an easier way of getting star talents.

It's callled...NOT GETTING LUONGO...KEEPING Kadri/Gardiner/Frattin and DRAFTING over the next few years...

You know....REBUILDING!

 

[The Blue Devil]

Show of hands here...

If some prospect junkie was to come along and tell you there's some kid named Morgan Rielly that is just brimming with talent whom the Leafs should do everything in their power to draft (including losing)...would you have agreed with this person or would you have cut that person off and suggested that our first should be traded for a chance at the playoffs?

First: You can't see our hands.

Second: No one has said that we should trade our 1st round pick.

 

[Bomber0104]

What does that have to do with their pitiful division? I'd like to see what the Leafs could do in a division without Boston and Buffalo.

The Leafs had a terrible record versus that division.

This has been pointed out a few times in this forum...the Leafs had a worse record there than in our division.

Please check your facts.

 

[rdawg1234]

Is he our top line center or not? Does Kessel not play best with Bozak?

I just wanna focus on this point.

You would actually MISS Bozak if he left this team?

Bozak adds NOTHING to that line, he got his points last year because of Kessel and Lupul, it wasn't the other way around.

I mean yes he is better than literally nothing, but he is the worst #1 C in the league.

Grabo is a solid #2 C. We are strictly missing a #1 Centre.

I wont be missing bozak at all if it's in a trade for a #1 Goalie(just reading that it put a smile on my face, a college free agent bozak+ a prospect for a near elite #1 goalie).

Anyway, overall, I'm done arguing this, when we get luongo and make the playoffs, you'll be pretty happy.

 

[Badger Mayhew*]

Luongo is 33.

If he could not help the Vancouver Canucks win it all (a WAY BETTER team than Toronto) there is absolutely 100% NO FREAKING WAY he can do any better with Toronto.

How many times can this be said before it clicks in?!

If Toronto by the grace of God and our Lord Savior could materialize even half as good a team as Vancouver in two years time, Luongo is 35...and won't be able to help.

If Toronto by the grace of God could materialize as good a team as Vancouver (Sedins, Kesler, Edler, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Burrows, Malhotra) in four years time, Luongo is 37...and won't be able to help.

This is a suicidal way of "attracting free agents".

There's an easier way of getting star talents.

It's callled...NOT GETTING LUONGO...KEEPING Kadri/Gardiner/Frattin and DRAFTING over the next few years...

You know....REBUILDING!

Because no goalies have lead a team to the Stanley Cup at 37.

 

[Winreims]

Worry about goaltending later.

LMAO When do we start worrying about it exactly? Because that's been our main concern for, oh.. going on seven seasons now.

 

[Bomber0104]

Who would trade Morgan Rielly (high draft pick) for Roberto Luongo (maybe playoffs)?

This is after the core issue right?

Which is better for the team's future?

The high draft pick and elite talent or playoffs.

 

[Bomber0104]

LMAO When do we start worrying about it exactly? Because that's been our main concern for, oh.. going on seven seasons now.

It shouldn't be.

The main concern should be how bad the team is....in all positions.

Why is it that Andrew Raycroft took us to 1 point of the playoffs with worse stats than Jonas Gustavsson and James Reimer last season?

 

[Winreims]

Here's a thought. Get Luongo (trading Bozak won't set us back 10 years...), make a strong push to the playoffs, "continue" to draft well (it is possible to make the playoffs AND draft good players).

 

[rdawg1234]

Who would trade Morgan Rielly (high draft pick) for Roberto Luongo (maybe playoffs)?

?????

who would trade Bozak+say Percy for Roberto Luongo? I would think alot of people.

what are you talking about

 

[The Blue Devil]

Who would trade Morgan Rielly (high draft pick) for Roberto Luongo (maybe playoffs)?

No one, why do you keep asking this? There has been absolutely nothing remotely close to this being said.

 

[Bomber0104]

No one, why do you keep asking this? There has been absolutely nothing remotely close to this being said.

Because that is the title of the thread (Playoffs or High Draft Pick?)

Roberto Luongo represents a pretty good chance at 8th place but nothing beyond that (Playoffs).

Morgan Rielly is a high draft pick. (High Draft Pick)


Which is better?

Who do you take?

 

[Winreims]

Who would trade Morgan Rielly (high draft pick) for Roberto Luongo (maybe playoffs)?

I wouldn't trade Rielly OR Gardiner (which has been mentioned before). They are key pieces in my eyes. But I would have a trade that included Bozak and Frattin for him because, sadly, those two players in particular likely aren't going to be the one's to lead to us to a cup in the next decade. Most likely not a playoff spot if we don't get a starting goaltender.

 

[Hanta Yo]

High draft pick, particularly a C.

 

[Winreims]

Because that is the title of the thread (Playoffs or High Draft Pick?)

Roberto Luongo represents a pretty good chance at 8th place (Playoffs).

Morgan Rielly is a high draft pick. (High Draft Pick)


Which is better?

Who do you take?

Morgan Rielly cannot be drafted again. We don't have to chose because we have him, so none of us have to chose between him and getting Luongo.

 

[Bomber0104]

High draft pick, particularly a C.

We CAN rebuild it!

With another top 5 selection!

 

[Bomber0104]

Morgan Rielly cannot be drafted again. We don't have to chose because we have him, so none of us have to chose between him and getting Luongo.

You are choosing a prospect of Morgan Rielly's caliber (top-5) or a chance at a playoff berth.

Without Luongo the Leafs are sunk (and will finish low)

With Luongo the Leafs have a chance at a playoff berth (and will finish higher)

You are essentially choosing alternate realities here:

High Draft Pick (like Morgan Rielly)

or

A chance at playoffs (and Luongo and his terrible contract and at the cost of prospects and Bozak(#1C) and the ability to draft high and win a Cup)