Say what you want about Jimbo's record as a GM, but Boeser and McCann represent 'high-value' picks, considering where they were drafted. Looking at that '014 draft, obviously Robbi Fabbri and David Pastrnak were high value picks at 21 and 25, but MCann is right there and in '015 draft, Boeser clearly sticks out as a top bottom-15 first round pick.
Player Discussion: Brock Boeser | III | Our Boy in College
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Well a good mix of both American and Canadian. Horvat, Tanev, Hutton, and a few others if they stick moving forward.
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I guess I'll write up a little review of his year and how I think how he developed over the season and what he needs to work on.
When I first watched Boeser, I wasn't really that impressed TBH. The first 4 games he played (even though he recorded a hattrick in game 4) weren't all that impressive. Seemed like he was a passenger, I reported multiple times that he reminded me of Vrbata (30 goal version). A sharp shooter that would roam rather then engage. Boeser would wait till the play came to him, not much of a creater but a finisher. To such an extent that he looked disengaged and would float around the offensive zone rather then get involved with the play. However, it did work for him, racked up goals from the good forecheck work of Schmaltz and Caguilla. But he wasn't really playing up to his point totals. There were even times where he'd get demoted from the top line.
Boeser really hit another level right after the WJC. That's the part of the season where I really recognized how much better at skating he was. It's almost like something clicked over the world juniors. Maybe it was the break, I don't know. But he was starting to use his speed and starting to learn to protect the puck. He looked like a completely different player.
After the Schmaltz and Caguilla injuries Brock took it to another level. I still remember an article, I think it was writen by some beat writer for WM that said something along the lines of. "When it comes down to it, top players can look invisible for most of the game. But all it takes is for one chance from these top players like Boeser and the game is over." Later this was also echoed by some NHL analyst basically explaining how it doesn't matter if Stamkos looks invisible if he gets one chance he'll bury it. Fascinating how true that is.
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While proof reading I food the article:http://www.thedickinsonpress.com/sp...boeser-showing-why-hes-rare-player-these-days
Anyway, once Caguilla and Schmaltz got back from injury Boeser evolved again. This was around the time where he flipped out on a ref. I can't remember the specific game but he absolute went wild on a linesman. Personally, I took that as a sign he's finally conformable at the level he's playing at. So comfortable in fact, that he feels like he can yell at refs and get away with it. This is when he turned into more of a "power forward" rather then a pure sniper. Kind of strange how he managed to incorporate so many different elements into his game over just 1 season. Maybe he had that all to begin with, but I wouldn't know I never watched him in the USHL. Anyway, Boeser developed a bite and a drive that I hadn't seen before. He'd initiate contact and use his body more on the fore check. He'd also get a lot more ice time from Berry (coach of UND). He'd be utilized to take faceoffs and kill penalties on their 3rd unit.
So basically a TL;DR, Boeser had 3 phases of development.
Phase 1: Floating Vrbata type
Phase 2: Goal scoring machine
Phase 3: Power forward scoring machine
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Now, I often describe Boeser as a "support" player. First to explain what I mean by that. A support player doesn't mean a bottom 6 player, more of a extra piece. Kind of like the dessert, you need the meal before the dessert or else you aren't doing it right.
For Boeser to become more then just a extra piece to a cog, he's going to need to get faster, much faster. He's not slow, but he can't be expected to come into the NHL and be a star at the speed he's at now. With his toolset of protecting the puck and shooting ability adding in good or even really good speed will make him have that star potential to be a top forward of this team going forward.
Boeser also needs some lessons with the twins on passing. He's got fine vision but his passes are all over the place sometimes. You can see where he is going with the pass but they aren't hitting their mark. Good vision + mediocre passing ability is kind of a waste. But this may be because of the sticks he's using as someone already told me once in this thread. I do not know.
Anyway, that's my write up. Sorry if it was poorly written.... I'm doing my best even though it might not be as believable as it looks.
When I first watched Boeser, I wasn't really that impressed TBH. The first 4 games he played (even though he recorded a hattrick in game 4) weren't all that impressive. Seemed like he was a passenger, I reported multiple times that he reminded me of Vrbata (30 goal version). A sharp shooter that would roam rather then engage. Boeser would wait till the play came to him, not much of a creater but a finisher. To such an extent that he looked disengaged and would float around the offensive zone rather then get involved with the play. However, it did work for him, racked up goals from the good forecheck work of Schmaltz and Caguilla. But he wasn't really playing up to his point totals. There were even times where he'd get demoted from the top line.
Boeser really hit another level right after the WJC. That's the part of the season where I really recognized how much better at skating he was. It's almost like something clicked over the world juniors. Maybe it was the break, I don't know. But he was starting to use his speed and starting to learn to protect the puck. He looked like a completely different player.
After the Schmaltz and Caguilla injuries Brock took it to another level. I still remember an article, I think it was writen by some beat writer for WM that said something along the lines of. "When it comes down to it, top players can look invisible for most of the game. But all it takes is for one chance from these top players like Boeser and the game is over." Later this was also echoed by some NHL analyst basically explaining how it doesn't matter if Stamkos looks invisible if he gets one chance he'll bury it. Fascinating how true that is.
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While proof reading I food the article:http://www.thedickinsonpress.com/sp...boeser-showing-why-hes-rare-player-these-days
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Anyway, once Caguilla and Schmaltz got back from injury Boeser evolved again. This was around the time where he flipped out on a ref. I can't remember the specific game but he absolute went wild on a linesman. Personally, I took that as a sign he's finally conformable at the level he's playing at. So comfortable in fact, that he feels like he can yell at refs and get away with it. This is when he turned into more of a "power forward" rather then a pure sniper. Kind of strange how he managed to incorporate so many different elements into his game over just 1 season. Maybe he had that all to begin with, but I wouldn't know I never watched him in the USHL. Anyway, Boeser developed a bite and a drive that I hadn't seen before. He'd initiate contact and use his body more on the fore check. He'd also get a lot more ice time from Berry (coach of UND). He'd be utilized to take faceoffs and kill penalties on their 3rd unit.
So basically a TL;DR, Boeser had 3 phases of development.
Phase 1: Floating Vrbata type
Phase 2: Goal scoring machine
Phase 3: Power forward scoring machine
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Now, I often describe Boeser as a "support" player. First to explain what I mean by that. A support player doesn't mean a bottom 6 player, more of a extra piece. Kind of like the dessert, you need the meal before the dessert or else you aren't doing it right.
For Boeser to become more then just a extra piece to a cog, he's going to need to get faster, much faster. He's not slow, but he can't be expected to come into the NHL and be a star at the speed he's at now. With his toolset of protecting the puck and shooting ability adding in good or even really good speed will make him have that star potential to be a top forward of this team going forward.
Boeser also needs some lessons with the twins on passing. He's got fine vision but his passes are all over the place sometimes. You can see where he is going with the pass but they aren't hitting their mark. Good vision + mediocre passing ability is kind of a waste. But this may be because of the sticks he's using as someone already told me once in this thread. I do not know.
Anyway, that's my write up. Sorry if it was poorly written.... I'm doing my best even though it might not be as believable as it looks.
Baby Pettersson
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Maybe it is a good thing he is going back for another season. would hope to see him continue to evolve/refine his more "power forward" version.
It was me that mentioned the sticks. A lot of these "sniper" types use really whippy sticks with low kick points that are great for shooting but not great for passing. I think that's why Virtanen throws so many cross ice passes chest high.
I'm the last guy that should be commenting on how well written something is but I certainly enjoyed reading it. The things you keyed on (puck protection, skating, motor) are good areas to focus on imo. Good job.
Yeah, college is a really good place to develop. Less games gives them more time to train and practice.
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I'm firmly on the fire Benning bandwagon, but I'll give him credit for what looks like 2 good drafts.
Fine... don't fire, just demote to director of scouting
(Amateur scouting only!!!)I'm firmly on the fire Benning bandwagon, but I'll give him credit for what looks like 2 good drafts.
Fine... don't fire, just demote to director of scouting
I 10000000% agree with this. Worst GM but great predicter of talent i mean look at this list
Boeser
Demko
Olson
Gaudette
Mccann
Neil
Trammer Man
Briesbois
Unreal so far i could see a lot of those guys making it
JumpierPegasus
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That's interesting; who are you displacing? I don't see how I can realistically have him sooner than 12.
1MCd
2 Jeichel
3Hanifan
4 Strome
5 Marner
6 Boeser
7 Provarov
8 Rantanen
9 Connor
10 Barzal
11 Werenski
12 Konency
13 Crouse
14 White
15 Chabot
16 Zacha
17 Meir
18 Aho
19 Beauvallier
20 Guriov
21 Larsson
22 Samsonov
Something like that anyways
wow....as much as i love boeser provarov,rantanen and connor are ahead of him right now.
I mean connor had better stats in the same league, rantanen put up over PPG in the AHL in his draft year+1 and provarov legit looks like a #1 dman. I'd have boeser in the 10-12 range hes slightly ahead of konency
Provorov, Rantanen, and Connor are CLEARLY ahead of Boeser at this point. The earliest you can realistically have him is at 10.
frankly even Aho is arguable. He really played well in Finland.
He's trending 'almost' like Zetterberg.
10-15 is likely where Boeser goes in a re-draft, right now.
I predict he continues to climb though throughout this career.
He's trending 'almost' like Zetterberg.
10-15 is likely where Boeser goes in a re-draft, right now.
I predict he continues to climb though throughout this career.
Josepho
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you're really underrating boeser if you're putting bums like eichel ahead of him.
Laugh now but Boeser is rising like the sun
Him with Bo Matthews and Mccann are gonna rock the West in a few seasons i cant friggin wait
Yeah Aho is really good i like him i just couldnt find a way to put him higher but on the main boards everyone loves the guy so u could be right here
Yeah thas good points your probs right about Provarov and Rantanen atm but Im not sure about Connor i think Boeser put up lesser numbers but against way HARDER competition and maybe Im right maybe Im wrong but i see the Boes Man having a better career but i know atm i cant convince many people of that
Technically i think boeser is in a more difficult division. Point still stands though connors numbers are to good to avoid.
Though i agree boeser played harder competition, he was 1 piece of an AMAZING NCAA first line and that needs to be taken into account also. If Connors stats were close I'd get an argument in Boesers favour but connor put up numbers that would be extremely impressive in Junior as a draft+1 player but in NCAA
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