Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season

[KingsFan7824]

I agree with your assessment but it flies in the face of accountability, which management is now trumpeting.

If Phaneuf is a bleeding gash on the ice and the coaches keep playing him, then where is the accountability to the fans?

I'm not saying he has to dress every game, but I don't think he's walking away. He doesn't have fake years on the contract. He's rarely hurt badly. You do have to have some sort of injury to get put on LTIR. I don't think Hossa or Zetterberg are faking that. Could they play if the actual cash coming in was higher? I don't necessarily want to be that guy, but yeah, probably. However, those contracts were likely never signed with the intention of those guys playing into their late 30's/early 40's. Phaneuf isn't in his late 30's either. I think he's fully expecting to be on an NHL roster for the next 2 years. Unless he gets bought out. If they wish to do that in order to open up a roster spot, that's perfectly fine, it's their money. I wouldn't expect Phaneuf to be anywhere but in camp though, as ready to go as he can be, save for being bought out. I get why he wouldn't get bought out too. If there's no pressing need, who wants even more dead cap in addition to Richards hanging around for years?

 

[kovacro]

The good thing regarding Richards is his recapture penalty comes off the books at the end of next season ($1.32 million).

Bad news is the termination which, after this season ($250k) climbs to $700k for two years, then 900k for two years and back down to $700k until 2024/25. But in reality with how much the cap seems to be escalating every season, those numbers are a drop in the bucket.

 

[kings11]

I'd be happy to get the cap hit but I have a very hard time believing that the Kings can trade a problem to another team and walk away with value like that. Quick has been as much of a culprit as anyone for the Kings demise. He's not been even average for a couple years and his contract is restrictive.

I honestly believe that the best the Kings could hope to get our of a Quick and Toffoli package is a second or third rounder.

You must not watch much hockey...
Do yourself a favor and look at Quick’s stats the last 6 seasons and he’s been above average other than this season and two seasons ago when he was injured...
the only thing you can say about Quick is that his style has led to injuries... however, there isn’t a better playoff goalie in the league

 

[redcard]

They cannot send Phaneuf to Ontario, he has a NMC.

They can if he wants to play hockey instead of fart around in the press box for 2 years.

 

[kingsfan28]

Quick doesn't have any trade value. He has negative value.

He was the worst starting goaltending in the entire NHL this year.

Maybe if he turns it around next season, but until then he can't be moved unless it's for someone like Lucic, or your giving away a significant asset like a 1st to go along with him.

His stats say so, but we saw first hand[ Kopitar had a great view of many of the losses] that the team played so bad in front of him and left out to dry more times this year than in his entire career combined. He deserved better.

Right now, Campbell has the most value and I see him being moved rather than Quick [as long as it's to the east].

 

[Herby]

It's total BS that Chicago got away with that. Kings should try some sort of variation of it.

Hossa was not faking it, there have been plenty of articles and interviews with players who saw it first hand what he was going through. One really good one in The Athletic by Scott Powers. Plus the guy had 26 goals his last season in the league. He very well may have been able to be an effective player into his 40's like his countryman Chara.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Would the Kings been better off keeping Gaborik on IR and letting Shore walk then trading for Phaneuf and being stuck with this contract?

 

[No Name The Nameless]

You must not watch much hockey...
Do yourself a favor and look at Quick’s stats the last 6 seasons and he’s been above average other than this season and two seasons ago when he was injured...
the only thing you can say about Quick is that his style has led to injuries... however, there isn’t a better playoff goalie in the league

Ahhh...the old you must not watch hockey jab. You claim I should use my eyes and then quote an irrelevant stat line of the last 6 seasons.
Anyways, Quick was as bad as it gets last season and the prior two years missed more than a year's worth of games. The Kings have run him into the ground and paid him like a brand new M3. He does not have value.

 

[kings11]

Ahhh...the old you must not watch hockey jab. You claim I should use my eyes and then quote an irrelevant stat line of the last 6 seasons.
Anyways, Quick was as bad as it gets last season and the prior two years missed more than a year's worth of games. The Kings have run him into the ground and paid him like a brand new M3. He does not have value.

You're kidding right, 72, 68, 17, 64, 46, from 5 seasons ago to now.. 2 injured seasons and 3 outstanding ones.. but yeah you're right he has zero value...

 

[DoktorJeep]

His stats say so, but we saw first hand[ Kopitar had a great view of many of the losses] that the team played so bad in front of him and left out to dry more times this year than in his entire career combined. He deserved better.

Right now, Campbell has the most value and I see him being moved rather than Quick [as long as it's to the east].

Campbell and Peterson outplayed Quick by miles behind the same team.

 

[KINGS17]

The only way I can see Quick being moved to a contender is if the Kings retain 50% of his $5.8M cap hit for the next four seasons. Another thing to consider is if Quick were to retire after he gets the $7M next year, the Kings would be hit with a recapture penalty.

 

[saintsnsoldiers]

I personally think we can and will get more for either Quick and Campbell then a lot of you think if they are traded. There would be many a GM chomping at the bit to get Quick. Our LA Kings have THE best goalie coaches in the NHL hands down. Look what they were able to do with Budja and Bishop let alone Campbell. GMs know this and it matters. Any goalie coming out of our system will have value.

 

[kingsholygrail]

We won't know what the needs of teams are going to be until at least after the playoffs. Quick has value, but it's gonna depend on the demand out there. I see him sticking around though.

 

[KINGS17]

I personally think we can and will get more for either Quick and Campbell then a lot of you think if they are traded. There would be many a GM chomping at the bit to get Quick. Our LA Kings have THE best goalie coaches in the NHL hands down. Look what they were able to do with Budja and Bishop let alone Campbell. GMs know this and it matters. Any goalie coming out of our system will have value.

You mean like Martin Jones? After some time good habits can disappear and be replaced by bad habits.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I personally think we can and will get more for either Quick and Campbell then a lot of you think if they are traded. There would be many a GM chomping at the bit to get Quick. Our LA Kings have THE best goalie coaches in the NHL hands down. Look what they were able to do with Budja and Bishop let alone Campbell. GMs know this and it matters. Any goalie coming out of our system will have value.

Unless the Kings goalies are that special, goalie value around the league, for many years, tends to be on the lower end.

As was mentioned, Jones is on a hit seat at the moment. He had a good first year in SJ though. Bernier left, crashed, then burned. Scrivens wasn't anything. Bishop already had a career before the 5 games with the Kings. Kuemper did well, but wasn't worth much because he was stuck behind Quick. Which, all of these other goalies have also been. As are Campbell and Petersen. Easy answer is trade Quick, but older goalies with term aren't easy to trade, regardless of what they've done.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

You're kidding right, 72, 68, 17, 64, 46, from 5 seasons ago to now.. 2 injured seasons and 3 outstanding ones.. but yeah you're right he has zero value...

Why go back so far? The old stats are not going to apply to the team he's on in 2019. Last year he was healthy and absolutely terrible. The two years prior he missed a ton of games. He makes a ton of cash for a ton of years. How does he have value?

 

[kings11]

Why go back so far? The old stats are not going to apply to the team he's on in 2019. Last year he was healthy and absolutely terrible. The two years prior he missed a ton of games. He makes a ton of cash for a ton of years. How does he have value?

Value has a lot of aspects to it... History of play and production, recent play, salary, future production, availability of a substitute, and so forth...
Ask yourself these questions; does he improve my team? what is my cost to acquire him? How much salary can be retained? Are we close enough to contention to make him a final piece?
Those are important questions to ask when you're a contender a goalie shy of getting to the promised land??
A Columbus or Carolina, maybe even the NYI or Panthers... could be a perfect fit for a Jonathan Quick, a guy that can still absolutely steal you a series or two! you don't think he can and you think he sucks because of what happened with this team this year. Keep in mind, Anze Kopitar regressed 40pts from the prior season and according to your thought process he has zero value as well... Injury concerns i'll give you when it comes to Quick but thats about it.. Had this been the off season he'd easily of gotten a 1st + from a team but the whole team sucked ass.. what will you say next season should the team and Quick bounce back?? which is likely to happen!

 

[No Name The Nameless]

Value has a lot of aspects to it... History of play and production, recent play, salary, future production, availability of a substitute, and so forth...
Ask yourself these questions; does he improve my team? what is my cost to acquire him? How much salary can be retained? Are we close enough to contention to make him a final piece?
Those are important questions to ask when you're a contender a goalie shy of getting to the promised land??
A Columbus or Carolina, maybe even the NYI or Panthers... could be a perfect fit for a Jonathan Quick, a guy that can still absolutely steal you a series or two! you don't think he can and you think he sucks because of what happened with this team this year. Keep in mind, Anze Kopitar regressed 40pts from the prior season and according to your thought process he has zero value as well... Injury concerns i'll give you when it comes to Quick but thats about it.. Had this been the off season he'd easily of gotten a 1st + from a team but the whole team sucked ass.. what will you say next season should the team and Quick bounce back?? which is likely to happen!

You're changing the variables now. We were not talking about salary retention. The whole premise of the debate was that I believe that he does not have value because of his cost per predivpre performance.

In regards to all of the other things that you brought up to consider I'd say
1: He may improve some teams but probably not contendrrs.
2: how is that relevant to your side of the debate? That question only fits the cons for a team trading for Quick.
3) as I said above, I never mentioned salary retention
4: see question and same answer as four.

Comparing g Quick to Kopitar is not an academic debate. One is a forward, who is not injured and has not showed signs of losing a step. Kopitar is a 1C versus an aging G. Goalies have little value in the first place. With that said, even Kopitar's trade value has diminished due to his contract

One other point to consider is that the other G's that have played for the Kings recently have often done just as good or better under the same circumstances. Food for thought.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Campbell is on the very exclusive micro list of last player to trade.
Others would be Kupari, possibly Clague, possibly JAD, Mikey Anderson.

Campbell, 3rd best save % in NHL and on a $700,000 contract...POSSIBLE franchise
goalie the next 5 years, but current trade market a 3rd rounder. or so. 27 yrs old
and proven he's nails and gives up less soft goals than 90% of NHL goalies. Quick gave
up more soft-serves in 1 game, than Campbell did all season.
BUT, trade value far far far less than actual worth and potential.

Kupari - possible Aho level...but possibly the next 12 goal scoring 3rd line player that
is never reaches his ceiling - that he has shown than flashes he has in a men's league.
Keeping about ppg level as Kakko. What's his current trade value? Whatever it is,
is much less than his potential of being as good a Sebastien Aho.

Look at Carl Grundstrom. He's already shown his current value went a few levels
up since before the Muzzin trade. AFter the June draft and the Kings add someone
like Tomasino / Heinola with the Leafs pick and Durzi progressing...ask
Dubas if he makes that trade again. Probably not. All have now witnessed that
Grundstrom will be a 20+ NHL scorer and the other 2 assets have great value.

You shouldn't trade your assets that have much more potential than their current trade value.
Like the Caps trading Filip Forsbeg for Martin Erat. Do all these younger players and prospects
reach their potential? Of course not. Some of them do. Campbell is not young, but he's shown
enough to be #1 goalie right now, period. His trade value is not great, as other GMs will just say
"I'm not giving up a #1 pick for a backup goalie that's never carried a team, never played a playoff
game and is 27 years old. We can offer a 2020 conditional #3 pick""...your reply is 'crickets'

 

[KINGS17]

Ideally, the Kings roll with Campbell and Petersen next season. If pains me to say it, because Quick is a warrior, and probably the most mentally tough player to wear a Kings uniform over the last 20 years, or more. This save probably convinced the Sharks that they just weren't going to beat Quick in game 7.

 

[kilowatt]

Would the Kings been better off keeping Gaborik on IR and letting Shore walk then trading for Phaneuf and being stuck with this contract?

in retrospect, yes very obviously

 

[verbalkint47]

What would ya'll think about trading for Alexander Wennberg?

Would be a low-risk high-reward move imo. Worst case scenario he is an expensive 3rd line center, best case he rediscovers his mojo with a new team/coach and is a 50 pt and line center

Porkins - Kopi - Brown
Iafallo - Wennberg - Kovy
Grundy - Kempe - Carter
Clifford - Amadio - Lewis

 

[KingCanadain1976]

What would ya'll think about trading for Alexander Wennberg?

Would be a low-risk high-reward move imo. Worst case scenario he is an expensive 3rd line center, best case he rediscovers his mojo with a new team/coach and is a 50 pt and line center

Porkins - Kopi - Brown
Iafallo - Wennberg - Kovy
Grundy - Kempe - Carter
Clifford - Amadio - Lewis

I looked at his contract and no thanks unless ur taking dion not a chance for this king fan

 

[RocketKing]

What would ya'll think about trading for Alexander Wennberg?

Would be a low-risk high-reward move imo. Worst case scenario he is an expensive 3rd line center, best case he rediscovers his mojo with a new team/coach and is a 50 pt and line center

Porkins - Kopi - Brown
Iafallo - Wennberg - Kovy
Grundy - Kempe - Carter
Clifford - Amadio - Lewis

He would be a low risk guy but he's got like 35 total goals scored in his entire NHL career. We'd be a super boring goal starved team again next year if we did that. Some might like that but I would prefer we try to compete and continue to develop our gems as they move forward.

Personally I would like to see Blake take a run ad Matt Duchene (28). He'd be a legit scoring force and should be really productive for a good 4-5 years. His style would really compliment what we have. If there were 1 guy in UFA I would like to see in LA, it would be Duchene. Gives us that reliable scoring on line 1 or 2 that could allow our youth to come into their own and slides Carts out to Wing to see if he can regain any touch. Not cheap but no where near what Panarin would cost.

 

[KINGS17]

He would be a low risk guy but he's got like 35 total goals scored in his entire NHL career. We'd be a super boring goal starved team again next year if we did that. Some might like that but I would prefer we try to compete and continue to develop our gems as they move forward.

Personally I would like to see Blake take a run ad Matt Duchene (28). He'd be a legit scoring force and should be really productive for a good 4-5 years. His style would really compliment what we have. If there were 1 guy in UFA I would like to see in LA, it would be Duchene. Gives us that reliable scoring on line 1 or 2 that could allow our youth to come into their own and slides Carts out to Wing to see if he can regain any touch. Not cheap but no where near what Panarin would cost.

Let me ask you though, do you think the Kings will contend with Duchene on the roster during those good 4 years? Duchene will surely demand and get an 8-year contract. Even if the Kings had the cap space to sign him, are they not just repeating the current process all over again in 3 or 4 years?

I don't think they should be looking to acquire any players over the age of 25.