Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season

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I'm a Kings fan btw.

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The Kings will likely struggle next year anyways. Spending big on a UFA doesn't really match where this team is at. If the cost for Wennberg is fairly cheap, like a 3rd in 2019 and conditional 2nd-4th in 2020 (performance based) it would make sense imo. He will turn 25 right before the season starts. His contract is high for his production the last 2 years. But he could revitalize his offensive game away from Torts. His skillset could work very well in Mcclellan's system. Obviously it's a risk. But there is more upside than downside in a move like this imo
 
Let me ask you though, do you think the Kings will contend with Duchene on the roster during those good 4 years? Duchene will surely demand and get an 8-year contract. Even if the Kings had the cap space to sign him, are they not just repeating the current process all over again in 3 or 4 years?

I don't think they should be looking to acquire any players over the age of 25.

I get your point, but I'm not in the we have to come in last to be positioned to win a cup mindset. Personally I do think they can compete within the 4 year time frame, but the reason I would selectively sign a a MD center is because you cant get a true 2nd line center under 25 without paying out massive assets. Playing 2C time isnt for players developing with a hope they may get there. I don't want incapable/youing top 2 line players struggling thru losing season after losing season. Get a top 2 Center and have that guy there to have the newer players let him take the heat of producing. I wouldn't hope for wanting to be a perennial bottom dweller on the HOPE we might someday get a true star player - this season should have taught us all that lesson. LA has some decent things to work with and with some much needed trimming and infusion of a new coach and good young players (AND GOOD WORK BY A GM) we are going to be a hell of allot better next year than we were this year. I would rather model Nashville Preds than the Edmonton Oilers, they have been really competitive over last 15 years and only missing the POs 3 times.
 
I'm a Kings fan btw.

@RocketKing and K17
The Kings will likely struggle next year anyways. Spending big on a UFA doesn't really match where this team is at. If the cost for Wennberg is fairly cheap, like a 3rd in 2019 and conditional 2nd-4th in 2020 (performance based) it would make sense imo. He will turn 25 right before the season starts. His contract is high for his production the last 2 years. But he could revitalize his offensive game away from Torts. His skillset could work very well in Mcclellan's system. Obviously it's a risk. But there is more upside than downside in a move like this imo

He's a set-up guy, but here are his scoring totals in the NHL: 4, 8, 13, 8, 2. Looking at his stats he's not going to suddenly start pitting up 25 - 30 goals. I'm not really sure what kind of future the guy has if he's going to take 2C time and not score goals. Maybe 3rd line, yeah. If he were getting huge assist numbers consistently then it might work. If you anchor him the the 2C spot and we can't score again then we will suck again for sure. Also I wouldn't deal those 2-4 spots, if we sign a UFA then we get a few more kicks at the can for a player to emerge.
 
Personally I would like to see Blake take a run ad Matt Duchene (28). He'd be a legit scoring force and should be really productive for a good 4-5 years. His style would really compliment what we have. If there were 1 guy in UFA I would like to see in LA, it would be Duchene. Gives us that reliable scoring on line 1 or 2 that could allow our youth to come into their own and slides Carts out to Wing to see if he can regain any touch. Not cheap but no where near what Panarin would cost.

I think Duchene stays in Columbus.
 
All have now witnessed that Grundstrom will be a 20+ NHL scorer and the other 2 assets have great value.

You might want to slow down a bit. We witnessed 5 goals in 15 meaningless games at the end of a terrible year. 3 of the goals came against Anaheim, and another against the Oilers, two teams in the bottom half for GA, and in the bottom 10 in overall record. Let Durzi play a professional game at some level first, and we don't even know who the 3rd piece is, or what they would get if they traded the pick.

You shouldn't trade your assets that have much more potential than their current trade value. Like the Caps trading Filip Forsbeg for Martin Erat. Do all these younger players and prospects reach their potential? Of course not. Some of them do. Campbell is not young, but he's shown enough to be #1 goalie right now, period. His trade value is not great, as other GMs will just say "I'm not giving up a #1 pick for a backup goalie that's never carried a team, never played a playoff game and is 27 years old. We can offer a 2020 conditional #3 pick""...your reply is 'crickets'

And this is one of the problems Blake has. He's got a lot of different pressure points on the goalie position. If they can trade Quick, and Petersen has a good year next year, and Campbell has a good year next year, do you think Campbell is going to re-sign? If he did, now Petersen has to go, which would cause another pressure point against Blake. If Campbell isn't good next year, would you even want him to re-sign? In 38 career games, he hardly has a track record to fall back on as justification. If both Petersen and Campbell are good, both are going to want to be the guy. These are pro athletes, they have egos. Petersen isn't that much younger than Campbell. The longer Campbell goes un-signed, the more likely he's gone one way or another, and that's even if they can rid themselves of Quick's contract. Compounding all that, is Petersen's RFA status right now. If they can sign him for 3 years, or even longer, what's that saying to Campbell, whether Quick is still here or not?

Unfortunately, like pretty much everything since 2014, the Kings have bad timing. Petersen isn't so young where he can play in the AHL for years on end anymore, Quick has too much term, and Campbell doesn't have enough. If nobody wants Quick, you pretty much have to trade Campbell, if Petersen has already been anointed the future #1.
You shouldn't trade your assets that have much more potential than their current trade value.
Like the Caps trading Filip Forsbeg for Martin Erat. Do all these younger players and prospects
reach their potential? Of course not. Some of them do. Campbell is not young, but he's shown
enough to be #1 goalie right now, period. His trade value is not great, as other GMs will just say
"I'm not giving up a #1 pick for a backup goalie that's never carried a team, never played a playoff
game and is 27 years old. We can offer a 2020 conditional #3 pick""...your reply is 'crickets'
 
He's a set-up guy, but here are his scoring totals in the NHL: 4, 8, 13, 8, 2. Looking at his stats he's not going to suddenly start pitting up 25 - 30 goals. I'm not really sure what kind of future the guy has if he's going to take 2C time and not score goals. Maybe 3rd line, yeah. If he were getting huge assist numbers consistently then it might work. If you anchor him the the 2C spot and we can't score again then we will suck again for sure. Also I wouldn't deal those 2-4 spots, if we sign a UFA then we get a few more kicks at the can for a player to emerge.
I wouldn't expect that type of goal scoring from him. He had good success with Thomas Vanek, try him with Kovy. At worst he's an overpaid but solid 3rd line center.
The Kings will likely be picking top 7 next year anyways. Might as well take a gamble on a youngish player. I don't really see much downside :dunno:
 
Not sure if it was posted but did anyone mention that Grundstrom suffered concussion in our last game? What a freakin was to end the season :facepalm:
 


It took him four seasons to finally build a team capable of making the playoffs, and by year six, they became Stanley Cup champions and set a new standard for success from 2012-2014.

While many problems with today's roster could still be traced back to mistakes made since the summer of 2014, Lombardi was still the architect behind the most successful run in team history. Hopefully Rob Blake learned a lot in team building and also from Dean's mistakes.

While it took Dean some time to build a winner, we already have some fickle folk calling for Blake's head after two seasons. That said, this is going to be the most important off-season for Rob Blake, and he's already taken care of one of the most important hires in hiring a new head coach. Now he has a series of critical decisions to make with a number of aging players and bad contracts.
 


It took him four seasons to finally build a team capable of making the playoffs, and by year six, they became Stanley Cup champions and set a new standard for success from 2012-2014.

While many problems with today's roster could still be traced back to mistakes made since the summer of 2014, Lombardi was still the architect behind the most successful run in team history. Hopefully Rob Blake learned a lot in team building and also from Dean's mistakes.

While it took Dean some time to build a winner, we already have some fickle folk calling for Blake's head after two seasons. That said, this is going to be the most important off-season for Rob Blake, and he's already taken care of one of the most important hires in hiring a new head coach. Now he has a series of critical decisions to make with a number of aging players and bad contracts.

One of the greatest days in Kings history. How many empty boxes would Dean have on his white board today for the five year plan?
 
To be fair to Blake in his two seasons as GM the Kings made the playoffs once.

Lombardi had to start from scratch with a combination of an older roster and some young pieces but had all his picks. He added some veterans as role models for the younger players and we went thru about four seasons of missing the playoffs and getting those young guys experience and then dealing veterans for picks.
 
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To be fair to Blake in his two seasons as GM the Kings made the playoffs once.

Lombardi had to start from scratch with a combination of an older roster and some young pieces but had all his picks. He added some veterans as role models for the younger players and we went thru about four seasons of missing the playoffs and getting those young guys experience and then dealing veterans for picks.

DTs teams made the POs his first year, missed the second year, made the POs 3 years in a row and never made it past the second round, ever. Then they settled into the black hole permanently till Dean was hired.
 
One of the greatest days in Kings history. How many empty boxes would Dean have on his white board today for the five year plan?

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What did you seriously expect Blake to do in two seasons? Of course he can't be compared to 11 years of work Dean put into this team. But if you want to compare their first two years here, you won't find much discrepancy.

He could start by no longer deferring to Kopitar, Doughty and Brown for what this team should play like.
 
A refresher on how the Kings' first three years went under Dean Lombardi. His first two offseasons were 2006 and 2007 were rough. It was his third offseason when he finally added players like Stoll, Greene and O'Donnell who really started to help steer this team in the right direction (along with his second coaching hire).

- Hired Marc Crawford as head coach.
- Traded Pavol Demitra for Patrick O'Sullivan and the 17th overall pick (Trevor Lewis).
- Signed Rob Blake, Scott Thornton, Alyn McCauley, Brian Willsie.
- Traded 2nd & 3rd round picks to Vancouver for Dan Cloutier and immediately gave him a two-year extension.
- Traded Eric Belanger and Tim Gleason to Carolina for Jack Johnson and Oleg Tverdovsky.
- Traded Craig Conroy to Calgary for Jamie Lundmark, a fourth round pick (Dwight King) and a second round pick.
- Traded Sean Avery to New York R. for Jason Ward, Marc-Andre Cliche, and Jan Marek.
- Traded Brent Sopel to Vancouver for a second round pick (Wayne Simmonds) and a fourth round pick.
- Traded Mattias Norstrom, Konstantin Pushkarev, a third and fourth round pick to Dallas for Jaroslav Modry, Johan Fransson, a first round pick, second round pick, and third round pick
- Signed Michal Handzus, Ladislav Nagy, Brad Stuart, Tom Preissing and Kyle Calder.
- Waived Dan Cloutier.
- Traded Jaroslav Modry for a third rounder.
- Traded Brad Stuart for a second and a fourth.
- Fired Marc Crawford.
- Hired Terry Murray.
- Traded Mike Cammalleri and a second for a first and a second (which were flipped to acquire a first round pick to select Colten Teubert).
- Traded Lubomir Visnovsky to Edmonton for Jarret Stoll and Matt Greene.
- Traded Patrik Hersley and Ned Lukacevic to Philadelphia for Denis Gauthier.
- Traded Lauri Tukonen to Dallas for Rich Clune.
- Acquired Sean O'Donnell from Anaheim for a conditional pick.
 
Got to give Blake more time. If by the end of the 2020/21 season we are not seeing improvement on the ice, then we should start questioning if he’s the right guy for the gig.

I still think it’s early days as far as GM tenure goes. Agree with others that this is an important off-season and it starts with a good draft.

IF he can move on from just even one of the guys we have bitched about who has term, he will have done well.

Personally, I’m fine with being patient.

First time in quite awhile I have looked forward to the entry draft.
 
He could start by no longer deferring to Kopitar, Doughty and Brown for what this team should play like.
That is what happens when you hire ex LA players as GM. Minor position, sure, cause Blake is decent at signing College players (probably cause he was one himself) but I have not been impressed with anything else.
 
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A refresher on how the Kings' first three years went under Dean Lombardi. His first two offseasons were 2006 and 2007 were rough. It was his third offseason when he finally added players like Stoll, Greene and O'Donnell who really started to help steer this team in the right direction (along with his second coaching hire).

- Hired Marc Crawford as head coach.
- Traded Pavol Demitra for Patrick O'Sullivan and the 17th overall pick (Trevor Lewis).
- Signed Rob Blake, Scott Thornton, Alyn McCauley, Brian Willsie.
- Traded 2nd & 3rd round picks to Vancouver for Dan Cloutier and immediately gave him a two-year extension.
- Traded Eric Belanger and Tim Gleason to Carolina for Jack Johnson and Oleg Tverdovsky.
- Traded Craig Conroy to Calgary for Jamie Lundmark, a fourth round pick (Dwight King) and a second round pick.
- Traded Sean Avery to New York R. for Jason Ward, Marc-Andre Cliche, and Jan Marek.
- Traded Brent Sopel to Vancouver for a second round pick (Wayne Simmonds) and a fourth round pick.
- Traded Mattias Norstrom, Konstantin Pushkarev, a third and fourth round pick to Dallas for Jaroslav Modry, Johan Fransson, a first round pick, second round pick, and third round pick
- Signed Michal Handzus, Ladislav Nagy, Brad Stuart, Tom Preissing and Kyle Calder.
- Waived Dan Cloutier.
- Traded Jaroslav Modry for a third rounder.
- Traded Brad Stuart for a second and a fourth.
- Fired Marc Crawford.
- Hired Terry Murray.
- Traded Mike Cammalleri and a second for a first and a second (which were flipped to acquire a first round pick to select Colten Teubert).
- Traded Lubomir Visnovsky to Edmonton for Jarret Stoll and Matt Greene.
- Traded Patrik Hersley and Ned Lukacevic to Philadelphia for Denis Gauthier.
- Traded Lauri Tukonen to Dallas for Rich Clune.
- Acquired Sean O'Donnell from Anaheim for a conditional pick.

Bullet pointing it like this shows how much needs to change to really make over a roster. Blake's still got some leash from me but I don't disagree with some concerns about nepotism etc.
 
Didn't it take a couple seasons for ownership to agree with DL's plan in the first place?
It did, but the first couple of years Dean kind of sandbagged them. He went after some UFAs, but I think the only two he was really disappointed in missing on were Chara and Hossa, especially Hossa.
 
What did you seriously expect Blake to do in two seasons? Of course he can't be compared to 11 years of work Dean put into this team. But if you want to compare their first two years here, you won't find much discrepancy.

Dean didn’t switch seats on the Titanic with trades like Gaborik for Phaneuf. He also never sold those early years as contending years, nor did he make any signing anywhere close to the Kovalchuk deal.

Overall, I don’t think Blake has done an outright terrible job. He has drafted pretty well, and the Pearson and Muzzin trades were some deft management moves. But overall, the issue with Blake (moreso Luc) is this propaganda that the team is still a contender.
 
I’ve seen two cups. More is always better but at this point in my fandom I just want to see a youngish rising team that is fun to watch and works their tails off.

The last few years have been brutal.
 
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