Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season

[Sol]

You know what organization habitually throws their young forward prospects into the NHL before they're ready? The Oilers. Let's not be like them.

Unless Kupari has a fantastic camp he should be in Ontario next year. Maybe give him a few games at the beginning of the season.

Yeah and the Kings for a long while seemed to be exact opposite waiting too long for players.

I'm all for letting good players take a shot. I'm past the archaic method of duration surpassing skill/readiness.

 

[Sol]

Just you wait, the fanboys will find a way to not give him blame for that.

 

[Winger23]

Just you wait, the fanboys will find a way to not give him blame for that.

Not a fanboy and he no doubt had a shit year, but he had shit playing in front of him which just compounds the problem. I do think his best days are behind him but I still dont think hes a system goalie as this season will definitely give ammo for those supporting that he is.

 

[LAKings88]

Let Kupari dominate in Ontario for at least 40 games before bringing him to the NHL. He shouldn't be with the Kings just because he is one of the Kings top 9 forwards in training camp. If he is playing well in Ontario, bring him up for a cup of coffee for a few games when the Kings are on a home stand against lesser competition. Let him get his feet wet, give him some specific things to work on, then send him back down. That's how it's done if you want to get the most out of him long term.

I think this team and the fans need fresh air. If he shows he is capable give him a shot. If he struggles send him down. They need to evaluate him over the summer camps.

 

[kovacro]

Not a fanboy and he no doubt had a **** year, but he had **** playing in front of him which just compounds the problem. I do think his best days are behind him but I still dont think hes a system goalie as this season will definitely give ammo for those supporting that he is.

Meh, how would one explain Campbell’s numbers then? He played behind the same shit team.

He was 3rd in save percentage out of 93 on this list.

2018‑2019 NHL Goalie Stats

 

[LAKings88]

Meh, how would one explain Campbell’s numbers then? He played behind the same **** team.

He was 3rd in save percentage out of 93 on this list.

2018‑2019 NHL Goalie Stats

This.

I’ve struggled to evaluate Quick this year. The numbers are bad tho. But again, just about everyone has a negative plus/minus.

From Jennings to last.

Terrible pk and pp as well.

Team needs a strong coach.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Just you wait, the fanboys will find a way to not give him blame for that.

No, he gets his share of the blame, for sure.

But what I hate about garbage like that is none of those guys--the usual Kings haters--even so much as acknowledged Quick, Kopitar, and Doughty last year, yet here they are now, experts on all things Kings. Trash.

 

[Sol]

No, he gets his share of the blame, for sure.

But what I hate about garbage like that is none of those guys--the usual Kings haters--even so much as acknowledged Quick, Kopitar, and Doughty last year, yet here they are now, experts on all things Kings. Trash.

It's about time. People seemed to always easily blame Kopitar Carter Doughty and never Quick. It's good to see he's getting skewered as well. Always been so immune to criticism but I finally see that people are taking off their rose colored glasses.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It's about time. People seemed to always easily blame Kopitar Carter Doughty and never Quick. It's good to see he's getting skewered as well. Always been so immune to criticism but I finally see that people are taking off their rose colored glasses.

He's not 'immune' to criticsm ever, it's just an issue with assigning shared blame, as well.

He was up and down all year, but he was outright bad after the Willie D incident in...Carolina? But it's also the first time in his career he's just flat out had a bad season, as well. Every goaltender in this league has at least one full on stinker. Everyone loves calling Price (not around here) The best in the league but he was three seasons of .905, .905, .900. Luongo has a .907 and now an .899 as well. Rinne's got a .910, .908, .902. Lundqvist's consistency was pretty legendary, but even he now has seasons of .910 and .907.

For all the shit Quick gets, he's got a .907 (rookie year), .902 (after back surgery, 2013, on his way to an epic playoffs), and now an ugly .888 in there (lowest save % season in I don't know how many years league wide as well, fwiw), yet it's just one year removed from a stellar .921, 33-win season. And for all the shit he gets, he put together more solid all-around seasons in a row than ANY of those guys previously mentioned, doing .918, .929, .902 (yuck), then going .915 .918 .918 .917 .921 all in a row without saying anything of his playoff heroics in several years. And that's without considering any of the 'depressed save percentage' effects of the low shot counter team, and also only relying on save percentage as a metric for 'good'. For as much criticism as he has received for being a mediocre regular season goalie, he's actually had less volatility than many of the widely-agreed-upon 'greats' of this era.

Guy has had an epic run and gets nothing but shit on constantly from just about everyone so you have to understand why it's maddening to hear it from inside, too, and why people are defensive about Quick.

There was a fantastic rundown in his trade article in The Athletic, basically talking about how people think he can bounceback and he should still have the high ceiling but that he needs to make adjustments both to this team as well as this era, i.e. we all know his aggressiveness gets him killed when he can't count on his defensemen to tie up the easy backdoor play, so his coaching and play needs to adjust to remain effective. Of course, there's also age and injury knocking at the door, so it's not simple, but an offseason of health and coaching will be good.

 

[Albi]

He's not 'immune' to criticsm ever, it's just an issue with assigning shared blame, as well.

He was up and down all year, but he was outright bad after the Willie D incident in...Carolina? But it's also the first time in his career he's just flat out had a bad season, as well. Every goaltender in this league has at least one full on stinker. Everyone loves calling Price (not around here) The best in the league but he was three seasons of .905, .905, .900. Luongo has a .907 and now an .899 as well. Rinne's got a .910, .908, .902. Lundqvist's consistency was pretty legendary, but even he now has seasons of .910 and .907.

For all the **** Quick gets, he's got a .907 (rookie year), .902 (after back surgery, 2013, on his way to an epic playoffs), and now an ugly .888 in there (lowest save % season in I don't know how many years league wide as well, fwiw), yet it's just one year removed from a stellar .921, 33-win season. And for all the **** he gets, he put together more solid all-around seasons in a row than ANY of those guys previously mentioned, doing .918, .929, .902 (yuck), then going .915 .918 .918 .917 .921 all in a row without saying anything of his playoff heroics in several years. And that's without considering any of the 'depressed save percentage' effects of the low shot counter team, and also only relying on save percentage as a metric for 'good'. For as much criticism as he has received for being a mediocre regular season goalie, he's actually had less volatility than many of the widely-agreed-upon 'greats' of this era.

Guy has had an epic run and gets nothing but **** on constantly from just about everyone so you have to understand why it's maddening to hear it from inside, too, and why people are defensive about Quick.

There was a fantastic rundown in his trade article in The Athletic, basically talking about how people think he can bounceback and he should still have the high ceiling but that he needs to make adjustments both to this team as well as this era, i.e. we all know his aggressiveness gets him killed when he can't count on his defensemen to tie up the easy backdoor play, so his coaching and play needs to adjust to remain effective. Of course, there's also age and injury knocking at the door, so it's not simple, but an offseason of health and coaching will be good.

Excellent Post

 

[Sol]

He's not 'immune' to criticsm ever, it's just an issue with assigning shared blame, as well.

He was up and down all year, but he was outright bad after the Willie D incident in...Carolina? But it's also the first time in his career he's just flat out had a bad season, as well. Every goaltender in this league has at least one full on stinker. Everyone loves calling Price (not around here) The best in the league but he was three seasons of .905, .905, .900. Luongo has a .907 and now an .899 as well. Rinne's got a .910, .908, .902. Lundqvist's consistency was pretty legendary, but even he now has seasons of .910 and .907.

For all the **** Quick gets, he's got a .907 (rookie year), .902 (after back surgery, 2013, on his way to an epic playoffs), and now an ugly .888 in there (lowest save % season in I don't know how many years league wide as well, fwiw), yet it's just one year removed from a stellar .921, 33-win season. And for all the **** he gets, he put together more solid all-around seasons in a row than ANY of those guys previously mentioned, doing .918, .929, .902 (yuck), then going .915 .918 .918 .917 .921 all in a row without saying anything of his playoff heroics in several years. And that's without considering any of the 'depressed save percentage' effects of the low shot counter team, and also only relying on save percentage as a metric for 'good'. For as much criticism as he has received for being a mediocre regular season goalie, he's actually had less volatility than many of the widely-agreed-upon 'greats' of this era.

Guy has had an epic run and gets nothing but **** on constantly from just about everyone so you have to understand why it's maddening to hear it from inside, too, and why people are defensive about Quick.

There was a fantastic rundown in his trade article in The Athletic, basically talking about how people think he can bounceback and he should still have the high ceiling but that he needs to make adjustments both to this team as well as this era, i.e. we all know his aggressiveness gets him killed when he can't count on his defensemen to tie up the easy backdoor play, so his coaching and play needs to adjust to remain effective. Of course, there's also age and injury knocking at the door, so it's not simple, but an offseason of health and coaching will be good.

Quick hasn't adjusted at any point in his career. I think expecting him to get better is extremly unlikely since he's shown zero attempt on adjusting.

I do agree goalies tend to have bad seasons, but Quicks degradation has been visible beyond this season. He was struggling last season after January and killed in the playoffs. He was showing signs of wear and inability to sustain his game which isn't his problem. He got older and got injured. But he never adapted.


That being said I don't think there are many great goalies in the league as well. Vasilevsky seems to be doing the best in terms of consistency. But overall I think goalies aren't as stellar as they used to be league wide.


That being said, replacing Quick during the off-season should be of paramount importance. Getting rid of the full effect of his cap and his roster spot would be a good move forward for youth.

He's not going to get better.

I do disagree though, there seems to be the most controversy when critiquing Quick by far.

 

[RocketKing]

Kempe's tricky. Players are like cars; the moment you take it off the lot, it starts to lose value. Kempe is young, and does have some talent, but he's already played 187 games, and it's not like his numbers are great. Career average of 13g and 31pts. Take out 16-17, and it's an average of 14g and 33pts. He has had to play on the Kings, and he will only be 23 when next year starts, so there might be untapped potential. Kempe is also unfortunately a RFA.

As of today, you're talking to Buffalo, NYR, Edmonton, Anaheim, Vancouver, and Philly. Kempe could help most of those teams, if not all of them. Likely help quicker than whoever they would select with the pick, but those teams also might have their own Kempe type player they've been developing and want to play. The question will be upside though. Kempe was taken at the end of the 1st rd, 5 years ago, and the proven numbers are ok. Shows flashes, just not consistently. Are two later 1st's better than one top 5-10?

But I would say that Kempe is the right kind of name to be thinking about. It's not going to be Toffoli or Martinez + Toronto's pick or whatever. The younger the player, the better. If he's a C or D, that's better than W or G.

Kempe's a decent player, most likely suited for 3rd line. If we land a great young center and have Kopi as the 1C then what does he really do for us? He's not going to help us in the area we need big help = PP. If he can be packaged to move up to a legit young stud defender then I would be all over that and let that guy grow with the new Core.

 

[LAKings88]

Kempe's a decent player, most likely suited for 3rd line. If we land a great young center and have Kopi as the 1C then what does he really do for us? He's not going to help us in the area we need big help = PP. If he can be packaged to move up to a legit young stud defender then I would be all over that and let that guy grow with the new Core.

I still see Kempe as a winger.

 

[AlphaBravo]

I think its very rare for a goalie to perform really well when the entire team is garbage. I am sure there are instances of this happening in the NHL, where the goalie carried a team the whole season and still put of great numbers, but its very rare. Quick's performance is a symptom of the season and team. I think the entire team had a horrible season, except for a few players. Next year they should only improve. We likely won't make the playoffs again, but I don't see us finishing in the bottom 5.

 

[redcard]

Quick being bad this season doesn't mean people who shat on him during his good seasons were somehow right.

 

[AlphaBravo]

So let's talk Voynov for a second. The league is apparently going to give him a heavy suspension. Let's say its a 50 game suspension, but we end up having him come back to the team. This could really stablize our top 4, especially if we draft Byram as well.

Byram-Doughty
Martinez-Voynov

The bottom pairing will have healthy competition with Walker, Roy, Clague, and LaDue. I would then trade Forbort, and buy out Phaneuf.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

So let's talk Voynov for a second. The league is apparently going to give him a heavy suspension. Let's say its a 50 game suspension, but we end up having him come back to the team. This could really stablize our top 4, especially if we draft Byram as well.

Byram-Doughty
Martinez-Voynov

The bottom pairing will have healthy competition with Walker, Roy, Clague, and LaDue. I would then trade Forbort, and buy out Phaneuf.

If Mikey Anderson signs after next weekend...365 days from now, I predict he's second best defenseman on the Kings. I think he can step in and play with Drew and be great. Better than MacD was, McNabb or Forbort. Mikey is LHD and turns 20 May 25 and will have this on his resume: 1 NCCA championship
(as Freshman last yr), Silver Medal Team USA and was Captain...and final 4 again NCAA Hockey and may win the title again next week.

He was as good or better than all the #1 picks I saw at the WJC: Bouchard, Dobson, Ty Smith, Quinn Hughes, Samuelsson, K'Andre Miller...(I did not see a lot of Bransstrom's / Boqvist games tho) SO much poise, play all key minutes, solid both ends, 5 pts in 7 games and just looked like a pro.
Marcus Phillips was pretty good on Canada...but Mikey is better. Glad Phillips is progressing and hope he signs soon.

Next up: Tuesday, Kings win Lotto...then sign a coach and Mikey signs. Going to be a good next 10 days...first good thing already happened....WD gone.

 

[RocketKing]

So let's talk Voynov for a second. The league is apparently going to give him a heavy suspension. Let's say its a 50 game suspension, but we end up having him come back to the team. This could really stablize our top 4, especially if we draft Byram as well.

Byram-Doughty
Martinez-Voynov

The bottom pairing will have healthy competition with Walker, Roy, Clague, and LaDue. I would then trade Forbort, and buy out Phaneuf.

I would give him a shot and see how it goes this year.

 

[Jungle Boy]

It’s official.

Kings say interim coach Desjardins won't return

 

[kingsholygrail]

Meh, how would one explain Campbell’s numbers then? He played behind the same **** team.

He was 3rd in save percentage out of 93 on this list.

2018‑2019 NHL Goalie Stats

A great stretch in November and first week of January. Of course it also includes the times he came into the game for Quick and only faced a few shots.
Jack Campbell 2018-19 Game Log | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Yep.

 

[BigKing]

Yep.

Such a bad look

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Such a bad look

I guess it is an improvement over what happened in 2015.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Such a bad look

The season is over for them. What would be a better look? Being on a cross?

 

[King'sPawn]

The season is over for them. What would be a better look? Being on a cross?

Clearly seppuku is the only appropriate response.