Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season

[KingsOfCali25]

Brown-Kopitar-Kakko
Prokhorkin-Carter-Kovalchuk
Grundstrom-Amadio-Kempe
Wagner-Iafallo-Luff
Clifford- - Tough Guy

I’d trade Toffoli to move up in the draft since it’s so deep that every team might have their own top and cause a guy like Zegras or Boldy to fall... I hope anyways! Also, if Carter regains his form... which I’m betting on happening, especially with two offensive driving guys... then you can trade him or move him to the wing..

I just can't put in this years 1st round pick with knowing who it is. 18 year old are so hard to put into a lineup even if it is a great talent. If Porky came over and no one is moved. I'd look into...

Kovy--Kopitar--Brown
Iafallo--Carter--Porky
Grundstrum--Kempe--Toffoli
Wagner--Amadio--Brodzinski
Lewis, Clifford

Edit: but I'm hoping we move Carter, Lewis, Clifford, and one of Brown/Toffoli.

 

[KingsFan7824]

They will likely never let him play in the league again, but if they do, the Kings will not benefit from it. That might be because of Lombardi's little practice stunt, or maybe it would've happened anyway, but the Kings will get zero value. His contract would've ended this season, which is probably why they haven't done anything up to this point.

 

[KingsFan7824]

NHL Trade Tracker - History of NHL trades - Fantasy Hockey Analysis

People should go through the trades over the years from around the league. Not a lot of old guys with bad offensive/goalie numbers getting traded. Especially the ones with term left. If they do get dealt, it's for other old guys with term. 20 year olds can get you 18 year olds. 25 year olds might get you 20 year olds. 30 years olds get you 30 year olds. The odds of some revolutionary summer happening are low.

 

[SFKingshomer]

Missing this whole year doesn't count?

He said it will be a significant amount beyond what he's already missed. Kind of messed up when you consider other situations.

 

[kings11]

I just can't put in this years 1st round pick with knowing who it is. 18 year old are so hard to put into a lineup even if it is a great talent. If Porky came over and no one is moved. I'd look into...

Kovy--Kopitar--Brown
Iafallo--Carter--Porky
Grundstrum--Kempe--Toffoli
Wagner--Amadio--Brodzinski
Lewis, Clifford

Edit: but I'm hoping we move Carter, Lewis, Clifford, and one of Brown/Toffoli.

Yeah I'm hoping we land one of Hughes, Kakko, Turcotte.. Those 3 for various reasons I could see being put into the lineup from day one, they're that good!
As for the guys that have to go, well my buyout guy is Phaneuf because we don't need him taking up a spot over younger players who are better.. Toffoli, i'd trade his ass along with the TML pick to move into the teens, and Lewis along with Carter will hoping regain some form and we get some value without having to retain salary!...
Wagner, Amadio and Luff all deserve to be on the roster.. Grundstrom could use a little more seasoning and hopefully play alongside either Vilardi or JAD to build chemistry..

 

[KingsOfCali25]

Yeah I'm hoping we land one of Hughes, Kakko, Turcotte.. Those 3 for various reasons I could see being put into the lineup from day one, they're that good!
As for the guys that have to go, well my buyout guy is Phaneuf because we don't need him taking up a spot over younger players who are better.. Toffoli, i'd trade his ass along with the TML pick to move into the teens, and Lewis along with Carter will hoping regain some form and we get some value without having to retain salary!...
Wagner, Amadio and Luff all deserve to be on the roster.. Grundstrom could use a little more seasoning and hopefully play alongside either Vilardi or JAD to build chemistry..

The problem is Carter is a lost asset at this moment. He might not ever regain half the player he used to be before the cut on the calf. With his age and so called "willingness to retire" it will be hard to move him. Moving Toffoli would be a dumb idea until maybe the Christmas freeze or TDL. He definitely has a chance to improve over this season and it would be a mistake selling him at his lowest value to date. Other teams are looking for exactly what Toffoli is capable of.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Friedman said Voynov will receive a significant suspension to be announced in 2-3 days.

Here's the article.

 

[Cook24]

Say the kings luck out and get one of Kakko/Hughes...and Toronto loses first round meaning their pick is around #20ish...what, along with the Toronto pick would we have to package to trade for pick 5-10 to get Byram?

 

[KingsFan7824]

Say the kings luck out and get one of Kakko/Hughes...and Toronto loses first round meaning their pick is around #20ish...what, along with the Toronto pick would we have to package to trade for pick 5-10 to get Byram?

Actual talent. So, pick one of the good prospects, someone that has some talent, probably like Kupari, and then choose if you want to make the move.

 

[AzKing]

The Kings should use all 3 picks. With 3 picks, they have more chances to have one or more hit it. I would trade Toffoli and a pick to move up before I would move two picks.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Let’s say we get Hughes. If you trade the TO 1st rounder along with Phaneuf to a team for their second and maybe some ufa, it’s worth considering if you use that money to sign Panarin.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Planning Ahead:

Will be interesting to see exit plans unfold - whether by buyout or trades. They wanted to move more than just Thompson and Hagelin and couldn't. Muzzin deal was talked about for sometime and when Blake got the #1 and Grundstrom and Durzi in it, he pulled the trigger, in January. They could not get deals they wanted at the deadline.

A few of these will certainly not be on the team, opening night: Phaneuf, Carter, Lewis, Quick, Kovalchuk Toffoli. Toffoli 1 goal last 26 games. Carter 3 (one was empty net) goals last 31 games. They have emphatically stated "we must get young, down to 24-25 years age" That automatically puts 5 of those on the culling list. I think Kovalchuk could play with Kopitar and be successful there and with a new coach. Ok with whatever happens with him. Iafallo needs to be on line 3.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Calgary and SJ each scored 90 more goals than the Kings. The Flames and Kings have never been separated by 90 GF before, either way. The only time the Kings and Sharks had that big of a difference was 92-93(+120 in favor of the Kings), SJ's second year in the league, which was the year they went 11-71-2. One of the all time worst seasons in NHL history.

SJ was a Pavelski, Hertl, and Labanc ahead of the Kings. The Flames were a Gaudreau, Monahan, and Backlund ahead. That's your +90. Two 35 goal scorers and another 20 goal depth guy.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Pacific at home: 8-5-2, .600, 98pts in 82 games
Metro at home: 4-4-0, .500, 82pts
Pacific on the road: 6-7-1, .464, 76pts
Central at home: 4-5-1, .450, 74pts
Metro on the road: 3-4-1, .438, 72pts
Central on the road: 4-6-1, .409, 67pts
Atlantic on the road: 1-4-3, .313, 51pts
Atlantic at home: 1-7-0, .125, 21pts

Pacific total: 14-12-3, 88pts
Metro total: 7-8-1, 77pts
Central total: 8-11-2, 70pts
Atlantic total: 2-11-3, 36pts

The only time the Kings touched the ice as a playoff team was against Pacific teams at home. Overall, they weren't a playoff team against anyone(duh), but they were flat out awful against Atlantic teams. From top to bottom. From TB to Ottawa, they might as well have been the same opponent. They were a -61 on the year, and a -32 in the 16 games against the Atlantic. In the other 66 games, they were a -29.

 

[Statto]

We’ve all rightly been dismayed by the way WD used Kovi. We all know he wasn’t acquired for a 200 ft game and he’s shown at times, his breakaway last night being an example, that if he’s put in a position to succeed he still has the tools. If we move him now it’s little more than a salary dump and we get little back. We’d regret it.

Getting younger doesn’t mean dumping all 30+ players. So right now we need to retain our most skilled scoring weapon until someone else proves they can fill the role we signed him for. Or at the very least we wait until we can get something back of value.

Toffoli I’d move for whatever we can get for him, Lewis too. I’m not expecting much but Kovalchuk still has the potential to make a significant impact, they don’t.

I’m coming around to the notion of moving Quick, but only if we can get Campbell and Petersen signed up to decent extensions/contracts. Whichever way we go with goaltending it is going to be a risk as neither Campbell or Petersen have experienced a meaningful NHL workload. Hopefully between them they will cover it but we will need a #3 that can step up if needed.

I’m struggling with Phaneuf as the buyout numbers are not great. I’m hoping he will just retire but I have no idea how much actual cash he’d be leaving on the table. I don’t want him on the ice though, he barely counts as a warm body right now. If a buy out is the only way to do that then we have to do it.

 

[kilowatt]

We have so many question marks on this roster. We have four locks for next season, by my estimation: Kopitar, Brown, Clifford, and Doughty.

We have a bunch of guys that should be on the roster in some fashion: Wagner, Grundstrom, Luff, Kempe, Amadio, Iafallo, Roy

We have a couple vets that I wouldn’t mind seeing: Kovalchuk, Martinez

We have a bunch of prospects that could be anything but will hopefully suit up for the Kings some day: Vilardi, Kupari, JAD, Thomas, Clague, Durzi, Anderson, Phillips

Kovalchuk - Kopitar - Brown
Wagner - Amadio - Luff
Grundstrom - Kempe - Iafallo
Clifford

Roy - Doughty
Martinez

So what do we do with Carter, Toffoli, Leipsic, Lewis, Brodzinski, Forbort, Walker, Phaneuf, and LaDue?

Forbort and Walker likely make the roster on defense. Hopefully Clague can take the next step next year.

Clague - Doughty
Martinez - Walker
Forbort - Roy

Phaneuf is likely bought out. Hopefully we can package Toffoli and our second for a better first. LaDue is used as a seventh defenseman. Brodzinski walks. Leipsic walks. Carter... fourth line center? LTIRement? Lewis may be moved for a pick.

Camp’s gonna be interesting. The draft lottery will make this a little clearer too. 1-3? Hughes/Kakko/Turcotte. 4? Maybe Byram, and have Byram - Doughty top pair for the next eight years. I wonder how Drew would handle that?

 

[RocketKing]

Let’s say we get Hughes. If you trade the TO 1st rounder along with Phaneuf to a team for their second and maybe some ufa, it’s worth considering if you use that money to sign Panarin.

Wrong post

 

[KingsFan7824]

I’m struggling with Phaneuf as the buyout numbers are not great. I’m hoping he will just retire but I have no idea how much actual cash he’d be leaving on the table. I don’t want him on the ice though, he barely counts as a warm body right now. If a buy out is the only way to do that then we have to do it.

$12m.

 

[RocketKing]

Actual talent. So, pick one of the good prospects, someone that has some talent, probably like Kupari, and then choose if you want to make the move.

given the idea LA does get Hughes then I would put Kempe up for sale to move up for that pick.

 

[DoktorJeep]

given the idea LA does get Hughes then I would put Kempe up for sale to move up for that pick.

I was drunk and finding ways to send Dion away outside a buyout.

I read an article about Matt Moulson this morning and how Buffalo was able to waive him off their roster. Phaneuf could be a hero and accept a roster spot on the Reign next year if BLuc work some voodoo.

 

[KingsFan7824]

given the idea LA does get Hughes then I would put Kempe up for sale to move up for that pick.

Kempe's tricky. Players are like cars; the moment you take it off the lot, it starts to lose value. Kempe is young, and does have some talent, but he's already played 187 games, and it's not like his numbers are great. Career average of 13g and 31pts. Take out 16-17, and it's an average of 14g and 33pts. He has had to play on the Kings, and he will only be 23 when next year starts, so there might be untapped potential. Kempe is also unfortunately a RFA.

As of today, you're talking to Buffalo, NYR, Edmonton, Anaheim, Vancouver, and Philly. Kempe could help most of those teams, if not all of them. Likely help quicker than whoever they would select with the pick, but those teams also might have their own Kempe type player they've been developing and want to play. The question will be upside though. Kempe was taken at the end of the 1st rd, 5 years ago, and the proven numbers are ok. Shows flashes, just not consistently. Are two later 1st's better than one top 5-10?

But I would say that Kempe is the right kind of name to be thinking about. It's not going to be Toffoli or Martinez + Toronto's pick or whatever. The younger the player, the better. If he's a C or D, that's better than W or G.

 

[The Tikkanen]

The problem is Carter is a lost asset at this moment. He might not ever regain half the player he used to be before the cut on the calf. With his age and so called "willingness to retire" it will be hard to move him. Moving Toffoli would be a dumb idea until maybe the Christmas freeze or TDL. He definitely has a chance to improve over this season and it would be a mistake selling him at his lowest value to date. Other teams are looking for exactly what Toffoli is capable of.

When Blake is giving Toffoli his exit interview there should be no words spoken. Blake will simply put the picture of Toffoli and Lucic at Disneyland, slide it to Tyler and his Olive Oil-like body and walk out. TT is an embarrassment to professional athletes. For God's sake pump some damn iron! You can act like a man!

 

[Cook24]

It’s crazy because I look at our depth at each position, and it seems like we have some good depth going, however, a lot of it is 3rd like type players. We need higher end talent for the top 2 lines...

LW-Kovalchuk(top line talent), Grundstrom(3rd line), Iafallo(3rd line), Clifford(3rd line), Leipsic(3rd/4th line), Rempal(4th line)

C-Kopitar(top line talent), Carter(3rd liner now), Kempe(3rd liner), Amadio(3rd/4th line)

RW-Brown(2nd line), Toffoli(2nd/3rd line), Luff(3rd line), Wagner(3rd line), Lewis(3rd line), Brodzinski(4th line)

Not included-Kupari, Vilardi, JAD, A.Thomas...obviously these guys can all possibly become top line guys...I’d argue only Kupari will be though due to Vilardis health, and JAD and Thomas seem like they’ll be more of 3rd line type guys...


Doughty(#1 defenseman), Martinez(#4 defenseman), Forbort(sucks/#6/7 defenseman), Phaneuf(#6/7 defenseman), Walker(#5 defenseman), Roy (#6/7), MacDermid(#6/7), Ladue(#6/7), Clague(possible top 4), Brickley(5/6 defenseman...

Doughty and Martinez are our only top 4 type defenseman, with a chance for Clague to be up there in a couple years...

Goalie-Quick(goner), Campbell, Peterson, Kehler, Villalta, Hrenak, Ingham

Goaltending isn’t an issue IMO...

Going through all this, we’re missing 2-3 top 6 forwards, two top 4 defenseman...

There’s also not a lot of room for all these 3rd line esque players. Would not be surprised to see a few of these guys moved. I’m looking st Kempe, Toffoli, Lewis, Brodzinski, Carter, Iafallo, Kovalchuk, Forbort, Ladue...

 

[KINGS17]

Let’s say we get Hughes. If you trade the TO 1st rounder along with Phaneuf to a team for their second and maybe some ufa, it’s worth considering if you use that money to sign Panarin.

Does it make the Kings contenders within three seasons? I don't think it does. Spending eight years of term and a boatload of cap space on a 28-year old Panarin would be a mistake.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Here's the article.

He's not even under kings control anymore right? Well July 1 he won't be.