Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season

[DoktorJeep]

Yea, looking at the salary numbers it makes more sense to buyout Phaneuf over Carter, so that changes my mind. Dion is owed $12 million in actual salary over the next 2 years while JC is due to earn “only” $7m over the next 3 years. Phaneuf buyout would cost less than $3m over the next two years, compared to the $12m if retained. Plus with Ottawa eating a fraction of that money, seems like a slam dunk.

Gotta wonder if Dion retires after a buyout.

So if Carter projects as a forward in next season opening night lineup, obviously any trade scenario where Carter doesn’t retire is manna from the sky. If management is even remotely serious about getting the roster closer to 24-25 yo average age, then only buying out Phaneuf doesn’t come close to meeting that objective. Keeping both Carter and Kovy around next season is just kicking the can down the road for financial and PR reasons.

 

[johnjm22]

Carter might just retire on his own.

He already looks like he doesn't want to be out there. Next year he's scheduled to make only 3M, then 2M after that. He's made 66M in his career already. These final few years might not be worth it to him.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Perhaps Quick’s last home game in a Kings uniform is tomorrow? Feels wrong typing that out. He deserved better, but I think his body has sustained way too much over the years.

 

[Cook24]

MacD back on the ice! Unleash the Macken!

 

[AzKing]

I wanted to see Lizzote tonight so I checked StubHub and tickets aren't bad. I picked up two Club level almost Center ice tickets in Row A for a little over $200/ea. Normally, those are going to be expensive because Honda Center is always jacked up compared to Staples Center PR level seats. I always like to go into enemy territory though and watch Ducks fans because most of them have so little hockey knowledge and treat it as a place to be seen more than anything.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Perhaps Quick’s last home game in a Kings uniform is tomorrow? Feels wrong typing that out. He deserved better, but I think his body has sustained way too much over the years.

There’s a good article on The Athletic exploring trading Quick and how he could still be a good goalie for the next few years.

Examining Jonathan Quick trade scenarios and why a deal this...

Overall, he still has the skill set to be a No. 1 – but the game has changed a bit on him and he needs to make adjustments, at least according to a former NHL netminder.

“Quick has a very unique style that he has played. He kind of revolutionized the position in the way that he plays, down in his edge-work and powerful pushes, but I find now in the way today’s game is played that you need to be in position after that first shot because you can’t defend like you used to be able to. There’s guys that are open more. It’s harder to tie guys up in front,” the former goaltender said. “You’ve gotta be more conservative I think to have success and be around the net and almost after that first save, be in good position to make that next save right away. You can’t be outside of your crease trying to scramble back. I don’t think he’s a diminished product but I do think he needs to re-invent his style or maybe update his technical play.”

The goaltender referenced 36-year-old Pekka Rinne as someone who also played a little out of control, but reined in his style and became more in tune with today’s game. Last season, Rinne won the Vezina Trophy.
“He made a lot of adjustments. He used to have similar problems where he would be over-aggressive on the first shot and then he’d have to scramble back and then they’re diving around and they make some incredible saves but it opens it up for a little bit more chaos and unpredictability,” the goaltender said. “He still has a lot left in the tank but I think he really has to re-train his mindset and his muscle memory, the way he plays to be a little more conservative and just rely on positioning, rely on his ability to see pucks off sticks and just so his recoveries aren’t so big you don’t need to get into scramble mode right off the first shot. You’re already in position for any rebound or anything that happens after the initial shot.”

 

[AzKing]

Quick does need to evolve just like any again athlete. A power arm in baseball that loses 2-3 mph off his fastball like Kershaw has with the Dodgers has to rely more on his secondary pitches and his wits because he can't just blow guys away with 94 mph. Quick needs to adapt to the skillset change and he most likely will to some extent. He also probably needs a change of scenery because what is he really playing for in the next 3-4 years? The Kings have absolutely no chance of winning a Cup or even making a big push until they reconfigure this team so Quick would just be punching the clock and getting older. It could be 5+ years and by then, he is a backup at best.

For both parties, a contender having interest in Quick and him coming to the realization that moving on is a chance to chase that pot of gold again.

 

[Cook24]

Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Kupari
Panarin-Hughes-Brown
Grundstrom-Kempe-Wagner/Luff
Iafallo-Amadio(JAD?)-Luff/Wagner
Clifford

Edler-Doughty
Martinez-Walker(Martinez moved at deadline unless we surprise and fight for playoff spot)
Clague-MacDermid
Phaneuf(bought out after next season,)

Outside shot Mikey Anderson makes the team...

Campbell/Peterson

Quick, Carter, Lewis traded during offseason(not much received back obviously)

This would be my ideal lineup for next seasons start, for what we have to work with... would either require luck getting the #1 pick or packaging Toffoli+ to move up and get him...

 

[KingsFan7824]

Winning in 2014 should not have stopped Lombardi from doing an honest assessment of the roster in the summers of 2014, 2015, and 2016. In the summer of 2014 it was time to move on from Mike Richards. In the summer of 2015 it would harder to make some of the decisions required, but losing Voynov and Sekera along with missing the playoffs should have been a signal the trend was moving in a downward trajectory. The 4-1 loss in the playoffs to San Jose in the following season should have confirmed that the window was closing.

Internally it is hard to believe Dean didn't see there was a leadership vacuum after the departure of Williams, Mitchell, and Richards. The remaining guys that needed to step up were satisfied by what had already been accomplished and were looking to cash in on past performance.

Which might be why he didn't buy Richards out when he should have. Or why he re-signed Greene at the same time. He knew Kopitar/Brown/Doughty/Quick didn't have it in them. You wonder if he would've picked Kopitar. He took Bernier as soon as he got the job, even having an unknown Quick already in the system.

But this is DL though. We know about his emotional connection to certain guys, especially ones that gave him a Cup. Winning shouldn't have kept DL from doing what was right, but it did. They also weren't ready to make the Richards deal, but DL was also a gambler. It took trading two 1st round picks, the top prospect in the league, and a solid 23 year old to get the team DL built out of the 1st round. That he doubled down in 2015 can't be shocking. He was in it to win as many as he could, as quickly as he could, once he saved his job in 2012.

Perhaps Quick’s last home game in a Kings uniform is tomorrow? Feels wrong typing that out. He deserved better, but I think his body has sustained way too much over the years.

Why would anyone else want him then? Sounds like he should be here come Oct.

 

[BigKing]

I wanted to see Lizzote tonight so I checked StubHub and tickets aren't bad. I picked up two Club level almost Center ice tickets in Row A for a little over $200/ea. Normally, those are going to be expensive because Honda Center is always jacked up compared to Staples Center PR level seats. I always like to go into enemy territory though and watch Ducks fans because most of them have so little hockey knowledge and treat it as a place to be seen more than anything.

Rosen said Lizzote should be playing Saturday, implying that he isn't playing tonight unless something has changed.

 

[BigKing]

MacD back on the ice! Unleash the Macken!

Pretty sure the off-ice spotter noticed that his head snapped back on the Bennett hit and they gave him the concussion test between periods and he failed.

I wanted that Prout fight more than anyone on here but I didn't buy that conspiracy stuff for a second.

 

[Cook24]

Pretty sure the off-ice spotter noticed that his head snapped back on the Bennett hit and they gave him the concussion test between periods and he failed.

I wanted that Prout fight more than anyone on here but I didn't buy that conspiracy stuff for a second.

I don’t doubt that he was shaking up after delivering that hit, but I’m pretty sure if he failed the concussion protocol they would’ve just shut him down for the season...makes more sense then trying to get him back into one of the final games when the games don’t matter...

 

[deeshamrock]

Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Kupari
Panarin-Hughes-Brown
Grundstrom-Kempe-Wagner/Luff
Iafallo-Amadio(JAD?)-Luff/Wagner
Clifford

Edler-Doughty
Martinez-Walker(Martinez moved at deadline unless we surprise and fight for playoff spot)
Clague-MacDermid
Phaneuf(bought out after next season,)

Outside shot Mikey Anderson makes the team...

Campbell/Peterson

Quick, Carter, Lewis traded during offseason(not much received back obviously)

This would be my ideal lineup for next seasons start, for what we have to work with... would either require luck getting the #1 pick or packaging Toffoli+ to move up and get him...

That won't get you the 1st overall. And Colorado isn't trading down. Hughes and MacKinnon are a pretty decent 1 , 2 punch down the middle.

 

[YP44]

let's say LA gets the 3OA pick this year. Would anyone here trade 3OA + 2020 unprotected first for the 1OA?
I don't think I would...I also don't think Colorado, New Jersey or whomever wins the lotter would consider it.

 

[BigKing]

I don’t doubt that he was shaking up after delivering that hit, but I’m pretty sure if he failed the concussion protocol they would’ve just shut him down for the season...makes more sense then trying to get him back into one of the final games when the games don’t matter...

Slight concussion. Just because he was on the ice for an optional skate doesn't mean he is cleared for contact.

The second I realized he wasn't on the bench when he missed his first shift, I figured it was a concussion. Violent collision and it appeared that Bennett's helmet hit him in the face. Mac's helmet pops off the top of his head and then he was checking for blood afterwards. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure he gave himself a slight concussion.

As for the games not mattering: they matter for all the fringe guys as Management is monitoring their play during these games. That being said, I don't necessarily think that him skating today means he is getting into a game.

 

[Cook24]

That won't get you the 1st overall. And Colorado isn't trading down. Hughes and MacKinnon are a pretty decent 1 , 2 punch down the middle.

Our 1st OA, Toffoli, and a 2nd in 2020 wouldn’t do it?

 

[BigKing]

let's say LA gets the 3OA pick this year. Would anyone here trade 3OA + 2020 unprotected first for the 1OA?
I don't think I would...I also don't think Ottawa or Colorado would consider it.

Well, only Colorado would have to consider it, right?

Depends on how much Colorado likes the dudes after Hughes/Kakko. I'd probably do it if I was them since the Kings are probably picking high again next year.

I don't think I like it from LA. Imagine us being Ottawa next season. Gross. I'd much prefer something along the lines of 3OA, the right to swap 1st picks in 2020 or 21, plus our 2nd this year. I don't want to give up any 1st round picks where this team is at.

 

[deeshamrock]

Our 1st OA, Toffoli, and a 2nd in 2020 wouldn’t do it?

No, I don't think so. Hughes is an elite forward. Strength down the middle is a key to any team being elite. you add
Soderberg , who is a good middle C, and that's a pretty good trio. They have skilled wingers and next year, I'd bet Makar is on the backend. They are building for a better future and drafting Hughes is a big part of that. There is no logical reason for them to move on from Hughes.

 

[AzKing]

No way do I trade a 1st rounder in any future draft until I know what we have. Next year's pick will most likely be in the Top 10 maybe Top 5 again.

 

[YP44]

Well, only Colorado would have to consider it, right?

Depends on how much Colorado likes the dudes after Hughes/Kakko. I'd probably do it if I was them since the Kings are probably picking high again next year.

I don't think I like it from LA. Imagine us being Ottawa next season. Gross. I'd much prefer something along the lines of 3OA, the right to swap 1st picks in 2020 or 21, plus our 2nd this year. I don't want to give up any 1st round picks where this team is at.

for some reason I was thinking New Jersey but typed Ottawa...edited it

 

[kingsboy11]

Trading up would really depend on who wins the lottery. If its Colorado, New Jersey, Rangers, Detroit or any one of the teams in the teens I doubt they trade it. If its Edmonton or Buffalo I could see them trading down to gain some assets. Both teams could use some more scoring so maybe someone like Toffoli could be thrown in a deal. I'd consider doing our 1st, Toronto's 1st and Toffoli, but I'm not sure what else we could offer.

 

[YP44]

No way do I trade a 1st rounder in any future draft until I know what we have. Next year's pick will most likely be in the Top 10 maybe Top 5 again.

So are two picks 3-5 worth more than Hughes or Kakko?

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Our 1st OA, Toffoli, and a 2nd in 2020 wouldn’t do it?

As of now: Carter is a negative asset...and Quick and Toffoli are close to negative assets. Any team talking trade with Blake, the players they ask for
are surely: 2019 #1, 2020 #1, Kupari, JAD, Grundstrom, Anderson, Clague, Peterson, Thomas, Phillips, possibly Kempe. No one is calling for Carter, Quick, Toffoli.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Carter might just retire on his own.

He already looks like he doesn't want to be out there. Next year he's scheduled to make only 3M, then 2M after that. He's made 66M in his career already. These final few years might not be worth it to him.

If Carter retires before his contract expires in 3 seasons, the Kings get hit with a $3.75m cap recapture penalty for each remaining year. Not the worst thing in the world if the roster is getting turned with prospects.

I don’t think he retires. Even though it should be a safe decision based on his career earnings. I’m guessing he and Management probably thinks he can bounce back and score 45 pts next year and play the majority of the games.

If Carter repeats his performance from this year or gets worse, and he isn’t a regular healthy scratch, then you start sacrificing goats and hope he retires before 20/21 season.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Quick does need to evolve just like any again athlete. A power arm in baseball that loses 2-3 mph off his fastball like Kershaw has with the Dodgers has to rely more on his secondary pitches and his wits because he can't just blow guys away with 94 mph. Quick needs to adapt to the skillset change and he most likely will to some extent. He also probably needs a change of scenery because what is he really playing for in the next 3-4 years? The Kings have absolutely no chance of winning a Cup or even making a big push until they reconfigure this team so Quick would just be punching the clock and getting older. It could be 5+ years and by then, he is a backup at best.

For both parties, a contender having interest in Quick and him coming to the realization that moving on is a chance to chase that pot of gold again.

With Kershaw it was more his curveball. He can't throw those as well as he used to and that was his moneymaker.