Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season

[Little Psycho]

Just found out Forbort's birthday is two days before mine and i don't know how to feel about that.

 

[King'sPawn]

When are fans and GMs going to understand the players already were paid to win the cups?

Not that you are doing anything other than pointing out what it is, this is such a bogus argument. Players salaries are like the stock market, you buy a players stock based on expected returns in the future, not what they have done in the past. I heard GE was a great company once.

Just like a stock, a team should be able to cut a player and their losses.

https://www.etrade.wallst.com/v1/stocks/charts/liquid.asp?width=805&height=500&iWidth=1024&sKey=462&symbol=GE&action=load&action_value=Red Green Candle

People are not stocks.

 

[KINGS17]

People are not stocks.

It's not like I am talking about life and death here. A player's salary is very much like a stock. Why do you think some of these young RFAs already received big pay days? Their investor is expecting their performance to be of great value in the future.

Kopitar and Doughty were already paid handsomely for their past performance. This isn't show friends, it's show business.

 

[Brodeur]

Just found out Forbort's birthday is two days before mine and i don't know how to feel about that.

I was so excited years ago to see that a potential #1 overall pick shared my birthday. Unfortunately that was Patrik Stefan. But I put him on my birthday cake one year anyways.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I ran the stimulation once and the Kings were in first.

Took me 5 times. I did it a few more times, and not once did the Kings stay at #2. Yeah, win or lose, it's up to the lottery. That's why they have it.

When are fans and GMs going to understand the players already were paid to win the cups?

Not that you are doing anything other than pointing out what it is, this is such a bogus argument. Players salaries are like the stock market, you buy a players stock based on expected returns in the future, not what they have done in the past. I heard GE was a great company once.

Just like a stock, a team should be able to cut a player and their losses.

https://www.etrade.wallst.com/v1/stocks/charts/liquid.asp?width=805&height=500&iWidth=1024&sKey=462&symbol=GE&action=load&action_value=Red Green Candle

The biggest difference is winning the Cup. If not for that, every contract on this team might be different. Some of these guys may not have made it too far beyond 2012 if not for winning. If they go out quickly in 2014, which they were about to do, who knows what would've been different.

On the other hand, Quick/Brown/Kopitar/Doughty. They're the face of a championship era of Kings hockey. A era? No, the only era. They're all going down as all-time Kings. They're all going to have their numbers retired. I still think they're all likely to retire as Kings. If the other 3 already got their thank you retirement contracts, Doughty was going to get his if he wanted to stay. Is that the right way to conduct business? I can see the argument either way. You want to be objective and ruthless, but pro sports are also a little different than most other businesses.

Players know they're the talent, and it can sink a franchise if you don't pay to have that talent, and it can sink a franchise if you pay too much for that talent. You may get your rare window to actually compete for a championship, and the rest of the time, fans are probably just wasting their money on hope.

People are not stocks.

But are pro athletes people? Do we care about Toffoli, Carter, or Kopitar and their dogs? Do we care about their families? Do we care about what, for some reason, Teddy Purcell talks to them about? In a general way, sure, but we don't care. How many people want Carter gone? Why? If he was a person, we would all be more understanding about how he's coming back from injury, and he's older, and we should rally around him, and hope he comes back better next year. Because he's been through so much with this franchise, we should have his back in a down year. He's given us fans so much, but very few want him on the team anymore. Why? Because he's not productive. He's not a machine. He's taking time away from someone younger with actual potential.

Of course they're people, but we're all also armchair GMs. We're thinking about cap implications, and what the team should look like 2 or 3 years from now, etc. If we weren't so carefree about the lives of so many people on this team, we wouldn't want half the players moved to different cities to increase our enjoyment. We would care about the pride of the players currently on this team, not some unknown 18 year old.

 

[Little Psycho]

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[kovacro]

I'll believe it when I see it.

Fug off, WD. Keep Phaneuf in, we need these L's down the stretch.

 

[kovacro]

Just found out Forbort's birthday is two days before mine and i don't know how to feel about that.

Combined birthday party at Chuck E Cheese!

 

[Little Psycho]

Combined birthday party at Chuck E Cheese!

You reminded me of that huge conspiracy that they reuse pizzas. Blah!

 

[AzKing]

Tankathon is fun but it really is meaningless. I did it 10 times and the Kings ended up 1st overall 6 times. I would love for those odds to happen but the reality is that I am preparing to end up with the 3-6 pick and if we happen to end up in the top 2 then great. I will be elated with Kakko or Hughes but I will also be thrilled to have Cozens, Turcotte, Byram or Dach. Every forward has Top 3 talent that we will be in a position to draft and Byram is a Top 2 in terms of upside.

All we can ask for are the tools to be there and then we can see what they develop into.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

With Nico Sturm off the market, here's another name to keep an eye on.

 

[KINGS17]

But are pro athletes people? Do we care about Toffoli, Carter, or Kopitar and their dogs? Do we care about their families? Do we care about what, for some reason, Teddy Purcell talks to them about? In a general way, sure, but we don't care. How many people want Carter gone? Why? If he was a person, we would all be more understanding about how he's coming back from injury, and he's older, and we should rally around him, and hope he comes back better next year. Because he's been through so much with this franchise, we should have his back in a down year. He's given us fans so much, but very few want him on the team anymore. Why? Because he's not productive. He's not a machine. He's taking time away from someone younger with actual potential.

Of course they're people, but we're all also armchair GMs. We're thinking about cap implications, and what the team should look like 2 or 3 years from now, etc. If we weren't so carefree about the lives of so many people on this team, we wouldn't want half the players moved to different cities to increase our enjoyment. We would care about the pride of the players currently on this team, not some unknown 18 year old.

Why is it when the players are going after a new contract they deserve every penny and it's just a business, but when their performance drops due to age or poor preparation on their part they suddenly become people we should care about? I don't mean caring about their physical or mental well being. I wish all of them the best, but I don't care about their finances.

 

[YP44]

Tankathon is fun but it really is meaningless. I did it 10 times and the Kings ended up 1st overall 6 times. I would love for those odds to happen but the reality is that I am preparing to end up with the 3-6 pick and if we happen to end up in the top 2 then great. I will be elated with Kakko or Hughes but I will also be thrilled to have Cozens, Turcotte, Byram or Dach. Every forward has Top 3 talent that we will be in a position to draft and Byram is a Top 2 in terms of upside.

All we can ask for are the tools to be there and then we can see what they develop into.

first time i did it, it finsihed: 1) Edmonton, 2) Vancouver 3) Arizona

Probably the worse possible outcome haha

 

[AzKing]

With Nico Sturm off the market, here's another name to keep an eye on.

I wanted to get that guy. He looked like a nice Bottom 6 Center. It could be that nobody is interested in the Kings because they have whiffed on the Free Agent front.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I guess we can chalk this up as a win for the Kings.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

They got Jack Johnson from Carolina in the past under similar circumstances. Might as well try it again.

 

[Brodeur]

Slightly different situation, but it does remind me of Tim Erixon who refused to sign with Calgary. Since he was a former first round pick, Calgary had the fall back option of getting the 53rd pick of the 2011 Draft if Erixon re-entered. But they traded him right before their rights expired to the Rangers for two 2nd round picks (45th, 57th) and a C level prospect named Roman Horak.

The Rangers have three 2nd round picks for 2019 (two of those picks could get upgraded to 1sts). There's perhaps not a ton of urgency on Fox's side unless he wants to play in the NHL next season. Hypothetically he could sign a 3 year ELC before the end of this season and burn the first year. Otherwise if he were to sign next spring, he'd sign a 2 year ELC and be on the same RFA schedule.

Tough spot for Carolina, but they might figure it's better to trade him sooner rather than later. Unfortunately Fox sounds like Erixon who basically wanted the Rangers (his dad played for them), whereas Fox is from the area. So I don't know if the Kings could convince him to sign. I suppose if Carolina wanted to stick it to him a little bit, they'd hang onto his rights until next Spring.

Edit: As per Bob McKenzie, it looks like Fox wouldn't be able to burn his first year right now unless he were to sign with Carolina, who could then trade his rights. But that seems pretty unlikely unless Fox's people had a lot of trust with Carolina which seems unlikely given the circumstances.

 

[kovacro]

You reminded me of that huge conspiracy that they reuse pizzas. Blah!

 

[kilowatt]

NHL Players Born on April 1 | Hockey-Reference.com

in case anyone wanted to check what players they share a birthday with

 

[YP44]

They got Jack Johnson from Carolina in the past under similar circumstances. Might as well try it again.

They? You mean We right?

 

[DoktorJeep]

Some interesting quotes from Kopitar is an article about his 1k game.

The Athletic

Kopitar discussing how he plans to keep playing for a long time

It is essentially a three-hour day. You come here, you have breakfast and you start getting ready and the actual work on the ice is about 45 minutes if you average everything. What job really lets you do 45 minutes of work? That’s it.

Blake on what kind of car Kopitar is.

“He’d be the big Mercedes,” Kings general manager Rob Blake, chuckled. “It’s a diesel too. Not gas. Way more efficient.

“I’d put him as the big luxury Mercedes. Ever reliable. Ever dependent. Always starts. Always good.”

Liewiecke

“Kopi is quiet,” Leiweke said. “Brownie is quiet. Quick is quiet, and Drew is Drew. Drew is different. All of them are amazing how they all fell in love with L.A. from Day One. It doesn’t happen every day in sports.”

Kopi on Sutter

“He made me a winner – that’s what he did,” Kopitar said. “He definitely made me a better player in the sense of just competing. He had his methods of motivation, pressing the buttons to get us going. This and that.

 

[Bandit]

Kopitar thinking it's a 45 minute job pretty much sums up his season and his captaincy.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Kopitar thinking it's a 45 minute job pretty much sums up his season and his captaincy.

I was going to make a joke about his usage but yours is better

 

[Crownroyal21]

I was going to make a joke about his usage but yours is better

Jesus Christ Kopi.

 

[Crownroyal21]

Jesus Christ Kopi.

Hey fellas. I have a question for you. Of our prospects currently in the NHL do you really see any of them as being the next group of core players? I feel Grundstrum and Wagner as the only two. Am I being to impatient?