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Ivanans held the Kings enforcing job for 4 seasons and fought the likes of Laraque, McGrattan, Shelley and Boogaard- I would say he did a decent job.

There was a game where the Ducks were after Richardson and Simmonds after the whistle and RI stepped in and beat Sheldon Brookbank. He stared at Brookbank and was like you really want to do this..before unloading on him.
 
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Frolov 6'3 said:
Clifford is/was a good fighter.
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He's not a good fighter. He never was imo. He fought recklessly in the beginning which made his fights seem better than they were. Now he's super defensive and is ineffective in his fights.
 
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Sol said:
He's not a good fighter. He never was imo. He fought recklessly in the beginning which made his fights seem better than they were. Now he's super defensive and is ineffective in his fights.
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I seriously hate it when somebody behind his computer tells others that somebody can’t fight and is wrong about it too.

That is just too much to handle.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Ivanans held the Kings enforcing job for 4 seasons and fought the likes of Laraque, McGrattan, Shelley and Boogaard- I would say he did a decent job.

There was a game where the Ducks were after Richardson and Simmonds after the whistle and RI stepped in and beat Sheldon Brookbank. He stared at Brookbank and was like you really want to do this..before unloading on him.
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I think the problem with Ivanans is that, like John Scott, he's one dimensional. Only 4-5 guys in the league can fight him, and they do it once, and that's it.



Sol said:
He's not a good fighter. He never was imo. He fought recklessly in the beginning which made his fights seem better than they were. Now he's super defensive and is ineffective in his fights.
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Wholly disagree.

He was never a 'good' technical fighter, for sure, but he won fights and was very effective. He was a fearless fighter and one whose crazy was enough to let you know what's going on. He also fought a lot of dudes he had no business fighting since Westgarth was worthless and he ended up taking on the Reaves' of the league himself. Being better at defending himself now doesn't make him ineffective.

Lots more wins than losses, even recently. Kyle Clifford
 
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Clifford is a good fighter. Look no further than his fight this year with Nathan Beauleu. Nathan is a very good fighter and Clifford smoked him.

He has stood in there with guys like Jay Rosehill, Shawn Thornton, George Parros and a lot of guys who are in the heavyweight category.

Sure he has some noted losses to Ritchie, Reaves, Brookbank, Nick Foligno but all those guys are really good fighters.

He had 2-3 solid fights with Bieska who was really good the past few years.
 
Frolov 6'3 said:
I seriously hate it when somebody behind his computer tells others that somebody can’t fight and is wrong about it too.

That is just too much to handle.
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Clifford was an effective fighter when he was reckless and young. Clifford isn't a bad fighter. He's decent, but nowadays he's breaking even in fights at best. It seems like every time he tries to connect he gets hit well.

Effective fighter is someone who can generate momentum after a fight win. Clifford doesn't in my opinion. He's got rocked too often to be reckless and hes not the same. Not a bad fighter, he's decent at best now. I hope you can find a way to get over a differing opinion.

Pls no one bring up Polak.

Personally, the best kings fighter is MacD and in recent history Jordan Nolan.
 
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crassbonanza said:
Why wouldn't the team that takes on Kovy just take on the Marleau deal instead?
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Kovy can still produce and is more valuable to a team looking to compete. A Marleau situation applies to a buyout candidate which the owning team can’t afford.
 
It’s hard to judge where Kovalchuk is truly at given how badly mishandled he was. He started in promising fashion despite most around him being garbage, then WD40 arrived and Kovy was the scapegoat.

By the deadline I’m confident Kovy will have trade value, it’s just going to be a case of how much. He’d waive to go to a contender and he’s likely to be one of the best scorers available as the deadline approaches. I think he’ll net a decent return, if he decides to go.
 
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Raitis was an animal. I remember when her played in Hamilton for the Habs farm club.

Nobody would go near any of the Dogs top end players.

Ivan f***ing Drago.

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I remember when Ivanas was first called up. I was watching practice and Luc sits behind me . He says that he wanted to see Ivanas fight. He was a healthy scratch that night. Red Wings killed us 4-0 that night. A fight would have given us something to cheer about.
 
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Funny thing about Ivanans, he actually put up decent numbers for an enforcer. Four goals in his first season with the Kings, and six goals in his second season. He had a shooting percentage of 10.8 in his first year, and improved to 12.5% in year two.

It was all downhill after that. After scoring a pair of goals in his third year, Ivanans never scored another goal, was pretty dreadful in his fourth year here, signed with Calgary, and only appeared in one NHL game in each of his last two seasons, due to concussions.
 
At the time this was looked upon as another one of Dave Taylor's traditional dumpster diving signings, but Klatt turned out to be a pretty solid addition who produced decent numbers playing on a line with Luc Robitaille and Derek Armstrong.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
His entire fight card: Kyle Clifford

"He can't fight" is an opinion so anyone is entitled to it but it's a really really bad one when you look at the evidence.
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He's a decent fighter. No one said he can't fight. He was a better fighter. His fight card is pretty much 50/50 the seasons I went through.
 
Sol said:
Clifford was an effective fighter when he was reckless and young. Clifford isn't a bad fighter. He's decent, but nowadays he's breaking even in fights at best. It seems like every time he tries to connect he gets hit well.

Effective fighter is someone who can generate momentum after a fight win. Clifford doesn't in my opinion. He's got rocked too often to be reckless and hes not the same. Not a bad fighter, he's decent at best now. I hope you can find a way to get over a differing opinion.

Pls no one bring up Polak.

Personally, the best kings fighter is MacD and in recent history Jordan Nolan.
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Agreed with last statement. Nolan was the best especially his second full year. He was a lefty and a lot of guys didn't expect that.

The genius of the Cup teams especially 2012 was the team toughness, size and the mystery of these new young big players. No one knew who Dwight King was but his brother was a beast. Then he levels Petro in the Blues series and has to fight Crombeen who he beats. Then Nolan fights Stewart (who edges a win); Stewart was dominating in the series and playoffs, but the Kings get the momentum. I'm sure players around the league are like who the f are these guys - DJ King's brother and Ted Nolan's son - they are big, can play and fight. Opposition also had to deal with a physical Brown, Penner, Richards, Mitchell, Greene, Fraser on top of King and Nolan.

Clifford missed most of 2012 with that injury in the Vancouver series but in 2014 was pretty damn physical. Let's not forget that scrum at the end of the game against San Jose where Andrew Desjardins and few other Sharks tried to bully the Kings including attacking Mitchell. Clifford goes out and beats AD in the next game right off the bat.

Kings showed all these teams in 2012 and 2014 that the series would be physical and if you want to fight, we will fight you. And if you are an opposing forward you have to play against Scuderi (who was phyiscal back then), Mitchell, Greene, Regehr....good luck by the end of the game. Some of those guys will just wear you down.


 
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He wasn't terrible, but I doubt that I'd argue that Clifford is very good at fighting. He has a lot of heart and it is not like he is a pushover, but he is at the very least not a very smart fighter. He constantly fought outside his class and got curb stomped routinely. When he lost, he would lose very soundly and exacerbate his concussion symptoms. His fighting likely caused his skill and development to stagnate given his injuries and recovery times. He didn't have the same promise after thrusting his head into so many fists... I herald his heart, but not his brain or fighting abilities.
 
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Sol said:
He's a decent fighter. No one said he can't fight. He was a better fighter. His fight card is pretty much 50/50 the seasons I went through.
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Lmao, no, it is not. Give me a break man, everyone can read what you're reading and see what you're seeing. You don't need to double down on your point by ignoring evidence.

This is starting to look similar to this board's discussions about bottom sixers, people's expectations of fighters are totally out of whack with reality.

Clifford has longevity and a largely winning record on his side. There aren't too many with a better record, and precious few his size, he absolutely clowns everyone remotely his size to a nearly 100% win rate. Most of his straight up losses (not draws or indecisions) are against true ridiculous heavies like Reaves, Douglas Murray, etc. and guys just straight up bigger than him. He's fought Tom Wilson several times and won too

He did have a stretch of really bad fights in like 2014-2015? I forget the year though so if that's what you're looking at, no wonder. But as a whole? He's been great.
 
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Are you guys seriously discussing whether or not we need a better fighter on our team?

Wtf.

Let's get some goals first.

Not to mention we already have our tough guy plug in MacDermid.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
His entire fight card: Kyle Clifford

"He can't fight" is an opinion so anyone is entitled to it but it's a really really bad one when you look at the evidence.
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My initial post was tongue and cheek. My last post was in response to Frolov taking issue with someone behind a PC saying a guy can't fight. All we have to go on is what we see whether we think a guy can fight or not. Our expertise is just as invalid if we say a man CAN fight. We never played hockey and threw blows.
 
No Name The Nameless said:
My initial post was tongue and cheek. My last post was in response to Frolov taking issue with someone behind a PC saying a guy can't fight. All we have to go on is what we see whether we think a guy can fight or not. Our expertise is just as invalid if we say a man CAN fight. We never played hockey and threw blows.
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Speak for yourself, do you have any idea how many hockey fights I've lost? I know exactly what a bad fighter looks like in first person!

(I get what you mean)
 
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