Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season Part 2

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Yes Vilardi, he is still our prospect last time I checked.

pretty optimistic to put him on a line with next years #1 ranked prospect. I like the optimism but that seems a little to far.

I wonder what is more likley, that LA gets the first OA or that Vilardi is ever able to play top line minutes in the NHL.... I think it is the former.
 

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pretty optimistic to put him on a line with next years #1 ranked prospect. I like the optimism but that seems a little to far.

I wonder what is more likley, that LA gets the first OA or that Vilardi is ever able to play top line minutes in the NHL.... I think it is the former.

I have a feeling that we will see Vilarid on the Kings next season, I think fans are being a bit too down on him.

He may be a year or two out from top line duties, but I think the odds are much greater that he spends time in that role than the Kings lucking out with the draft lottery.
 

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I have a feeling that we will see Vilarid on the Kings next season, I think fans are being a bit too down on him.

He may be a year or two out from top line duties, but I think the odds are much greater that he spends time in that role than the Kings lucking out with the draft lottery.
pretty sure he has to be able to stand up straight and ambulate before being considered for a position in any competitive level.
 

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I have a feeling that we will see Vilarid on the Kings next season, I think fans are being a bit too down on him.

He may be a year or two out from top line duties, but I think the odds are much greater that he spends time in that role than the Kings lucking out with the draft lottery.

Dude played only a handful of AHL games last year and you want him in the NHL. If he can even play is a big question mark, so why not start him in the AHL if he can?
 
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Dude played only a handful of AHL games last year and you want him in the NHL. If he can even play is a big question mark, so why not start him in the AHL if he can?

I think he will start in the AHL, but I also think he will get a handful of games with the Kings next season.
 

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Dude played only a handful of AHL games last year and you want him in the NHL. If he can even play is a big question mark, so why not start him in the AHL if he can?

Is the AHL any less physically demanding than the NHL? He has NHL-level talent, health is the issue.
 
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I have a feeling that we will see Vilarid on the Kings next season, I think fans are being a bit too down on him.

He may be a year or two out from top line duties, but I think the odds are much greater that he spends time in that role than the Kings lucking out with the draft lottery.

I think you've seen the last of Vilardi. We still don't have a diagnosis which is outrageous in 2019. It will take a full summer of training to get him up to speed. If he plays next season he will be so far behind everybody else his numbers will suffer. And being a long time King fan expecting nothing from Vilardi is the logical choice. If you're banged up, coming to the end of your career or just don't want to play hockey anymore LA is and always has been the place to be.
 
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pretty sure he has to be able to stand up straight and ambulate before being considered for a position in any competitive level.

Should the Kings finish in last place, they will only have an 18.5% chance at the top pick and that number plummets significantly from there. I already think that the Kings will have difficulty replicating that absolutely atrocious season without WD at the helm of the tank, so you are talking a 2.5 - 9.5% chance at getting the 1st overall pick.

I would bet that Vilardi has a much better chance of recovering than that.
 
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I think you've seen the last of Vilardi. We still don't have a diagnosis which is outrageous in 2019. It will take a full summer of training to get him up to speed. If he plays next season he will be so far behind everybody else his numbers will suffer. And being a ling time King fan expecting nothing from Vilardi is the logical choice. If you're banged up, coming to the end of your career or just don't want to play hockey anymore LA is and always has been the place to be.

I don't think there is a lack of a diagnosis, I think that his diagnosis has not been reported.
 

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I think you've seen the last of Vilardi. We still don't have a diagnosis which is outrageous in 2019. It will take a full summer of training to get him up to speed. If he plays next season he will be so far behind everybody else his numbers will suffer. And being a ling time King fan expecting nothing from Vilardi is the logical choice. If you're banged up, coming to the end of your career or just don't want to play hockey anymore LA is and always has been the place to be.

Just because we the fans don't know what's wrong with Vilardi doesn't mean the team doesn't know exactly what's wrong with him and have a recovery plan in place.
 

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...wait, Vilardi was the craziest part of that scenario? Not drafting Lafreniere somehow?

Given last year's kings record, the way the team looks to be built going into the year, and the lack of any Vilardi news I think getting the #1 pick seems more likely haha.
 

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Is the AHL any less physically demanding than the NHL? He has NHL-level talent, health is the issue.

I would say yes it is. every player in the NHL has NHL level speed and I am presuming the average NHL player is taller and weighs more than the AHL (Could not find AHL average but NHL is 200.7 lbs and 6 ft 1), plus they play anywhere from 8-14 more games in the NHL.
 

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I think you've seen the last of Vilardi. We still don't have a diagnosis which is outrageous in 2019. It will take a full summer of training to get him up to speed. If he plays next season he will be so far behind everybody else his numbers will suffer. And being a long time King fan expecting nothing from Vilardi is the logical choice. If you're banged up, coming to the end of your career or just don't want to play hockey anymore LA is and always has been the place to be.

Eh.....he's only 19. About to turn 20 in a month. If he was a few years older, sure. Not sure why anyone wouldn't want to play hockey, kind of a dumb assumption imo.
 
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Eh.....he's only 19. About to turn 20 in a month. If he was a few years older, sure. Not sure why anyone wouldn't want to play hockey, kind of a dumb assumption imo.

We are all speculating, he's done imo, even if he does get back to playing will probably be in the distant future. For now, I'm considering it a wasted/missed pick, if he gets back and plays for the Kings pure gravy!
 
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I would say yes it is. every player in the NHL has NHL level speed and I am presuming the average NHL player is taller and weighs more than the AHL (Could not find AHL average but NHL is 200.7 lbs and 6 ft 1), plus they play anywhere from 8-14 more games in the NHL.

On the flipside, the AHL teams play their games in bunches and you are more likely to see injuries in back to back games, which the Reign had 21 of last season. The size isn't all that different to be honest, and you get a lot more reckless play in the AHL, so there's that. It is faster and there are more games in the NHL for sure.

I would think the injury risk is a little higher in the AHL to be honest, guys aren't always in control.
 
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On the flipside, the AHL teams play their games in bunches and you are more likely to see injuries in back to back games, which the Reign had 21 of last season. The size isn't all that different to be honest, and you get a lot more reckless play in the AHL, so there's that. It is faster and there are more games in the NHL for sure.

I would think the injury risk is a little higher in the AHL to be honest, guys aren't always in control.
fair point

Still think if he can play it should be in the AHL and maybe he sits in back to backs to start
 
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Eh.....he's only 19. About to turn 20 in a month. If he was a few years older, sure. Not sure why anyone wouldn't want to play hockey, kind of a dumb assumption imo.

Not saying Vilardi doesn't want to play, you must be new. There is a LONG list of players who have played for the Kings where fans could question their desire to play.
 

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What is this "Vilardi" you speak of?

Mythical creature, sort of like the minotaur, but better hands


to be fair, I believe we have a better chance of drafting #1. Sitting out a WHOLE season + due to back issues, is never a good sign.

We've gone over this though and we've had a very successful player that did exactly this in Jake Muzzin. I even went through several examples and all but one pulled off careers (Edit: and that one is still likely to have an NHL career, he just hasn't cracked in yet).

Plagiarizing myself:

"Muzzin missed an entire season. Season and a half, actually.

"When Muzzin was 16, his hockey career was derailed after he suffered a herniated disc. He underwent surgery to repair the precarious ailment and wound up missing more than a year of action.

“For a little bit it kind of felt that hockey was done for me,” he said. “It was a difficult time and it made me not take hockey for granted.
“When you’re that young and out for over a year with a back injury it’s a difficult situation to deal with.”

But Muzzin had belief in the surgeon and the recovery plan. He returned in time to play the final 37 games for the 2006-07 Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds and two rounds of the playoffs. He exhibited enough for the Pittsburgh Penguins to select Muzzin in the fifth round (141st overall) of the 2007 draft.

But the teenager failed to demonstrate enough in the next two seasons of junior for the Penguins to sign him to an entry-level contract. Therefore, Muzzin re-entered the draft in 2009, but his name wasn’t called as he sat through seven rounds and 211 selections."


Long and winding path leads to veteran status for Muzzin"
 

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Mythical creature, sort of like the minotaur, but better hands




We've gone over this though and we've had a very successful player that did exactly this in Jake Muzzin. I even went through several examples and all but one pulled off careers (Edit: and that one is still likely to have an NHL career, he just hasn't cracked in yet).

Plagiarizing myself:

"Muzzin missed an entire season. Season and a half, actually.

"When Muzzin was 16, his hockey career was derailed after he suffered a herniated disc. He underwent surgery to repair the precarious ailment and wound up missing more than a year of action.

“For a little bit it kind of felt that hockey was done for me,” he said. “It was a difficult time and it made me not take hockey for granted.
“When you’re that young and out for over a year with a back injury it’s a difficult situation to deal with.”

But Muzzin had belief in the surgeon and the recovery plan. He returned in time to play the final 37 games for the 2006-07 Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds and two rounds of the playoffs. He exhibited enough for the Pittsburgh Penguins to select Muzzin in the fifth round (141st overall) of the 2007 draft.

But the teenager failed to demonstrate enough in the next two seasons of junior for the Penguins to sign him to an entry-level contract. Therefore, Muzzin re-entered the draft in 2009, but his name wasn’t called as he sat through seven rounds and 211 selections."


Long and winding path leads to veteran status for Muzzin"
Come on now. Occasionally when your chute fails to open you hit the ground and survive:

How to Fall 15,000 Feet, Hit the Ground, and Survive

But mostly, you just die.
 

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Come on now. Occasionally when your chute fails to open you hit the ground and survive:

How to Fall 15,000 Feet, Hit the Ground, and Survive

But mostly, you just die.

Hey, find me an example of a guy who just withered away and died after back surgery early in his career and we're good. I'm sure an example exists somewhere, but no one could quote one. Yet we have Muzzin as an example of one, Olli Juolevi looks to still have a career, and Scott Barney played as well, just never met expectations. Those are just the few I came up with in a few minutes.

I know a lot of people here like to be pre-emptively miserable but history is not on their side.

Obviously don't go penning him onto this season's 1st line, but going CAREER OVER is probably even sillier.
 

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