Just gotta hope those guys regain value.
Shed Toffoli, Carter, Forbort, and Lewis, at the deadline.
Amart I wish they could keep but he likely could be a good chip at the deadline.
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Just gotta hope those guys regain value.
Shed Toffoli, Carter, Forbort, and Lewis, at the deadline.
Amart I wish they could keep but he likely could be a good chip at the deadline.
Ziggy Stardust
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What did you guys think of this draft day trade the Kings swung back in '91? I always got excited when the Kings added Gretzky's former teammates from the Oilers' dynasty and thought every time they acquired one, they got one step closer to a Stanley Cup.
Turns out the best item they received from that trade was the fourth round pick.
Turns out the best item they received from that trade was the fourth round pick.
DoktorJeep
Fair winds and following seas Nikolai.
I’m ok with that lineup and willing to believe that it will result in a better team by the trade deadline than last years. Not a playoff team by any realistic projections. But one who competes and plays close games. I don’t think Clague starts with the club, but otherwise I could see that being the opening night roster, plus Quick and Campbell.
How I’d measure progress is by what the roster looks like at the TDL. By that point you’d like more youth in the lineup and more futures from trades.
Wagner-Kopitar-Brown
Iafallo-Prokhorkin-Toffoli
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MacDermid-Roy
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KingsFan7824
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Was there anything that made you think this wouldn't be the team that started the season?
3 guys Minnesota picked in their portion of the Sharks expansion draft, one of them being Thomson from the Kings. A year later, the Kings lost Thomson in the Ottawa expansion draft. The Kings again traded back for Thomson 6 months later. The Kings lost him one last time 6 months after that in the Anaheim expansion draft. Gilhen eventually turned into Millen. Huddy was eventually traded with Zhitnik to Buffalo, for another former Oiler.
The Tikkanen
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Fuhr has been the biggest disappointment as far as a Kings player trade for me. I was excited because the Kings finally had a legit #1 goalie which they had lacked since I started watching in 88 (sorry Hrudey). I even took my Dad to a Kings game at the Forum against the Jets where I believe Fuhr came in in relief and gave up the Zhamnov goal. I thought I was out of the black hole there for a little while, little did I know I'd have to wait until 2001 to see some sort of light.
The Tikkanen
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I have a feeling this whole team was told to come to camp in shape, they have they have half the season to prove they still have it. If not get ready to leave the Manhattan Beach lifestyle behind until retirement.
Can’t wait to no longer have to trot Derek Forbort out there. Guys a pylon. When’s his contract up again? Hopefully Doughty has another partner next year.
KingsOfCali25
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He is not a pylon (like Phanuef was). Just cast in the wrong role. He would be a good #4/5 Dman and a great #5/6 guy. But LA has been forcing him to be a #2/3 guy.
Edit: what they really need is...
XXX--Doughty
Martinez--XXX
Forbort--LaDue
Maybe try and get Ryan Murray out of Columbus to pair with Doughty and a stay at home RHD to put with Martinez (like a Kevin Miller out of Boston).
No Name The Nameless
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I really liked his game a couple of seasons ago. He certainly got caught up in the negative energy on the Kings last year. DD wasn't DD either last year which REALLY showed that Forbort was miscast as a top line pairing.
He isn't as bad as last year showed. With that said, he is not a good top pairing option. He has value to this team though.
Ziggy Stardust
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At least you got to experience that amazing 7-7 game, with Zhamnov singlehandedly tearing the Kings apart with five goals.
johnjm22
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That's what I'm saying. I've seen Forbort play really good hockey in the NHL. He's was very solid in the 16/17 season. That's why the Kings decided to expose McNabb in the expansion draft instead of him.
I don't know what happened to the guy since then. Maybe it's just because he's being used out of place.
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Your post shows how we’ve gotten used to mediocrity at the back end as Martinez is only really a bottom pair guy that can occasionally play on the 2nd pairing. Same with Muzzin, he was only a #4 guy and too error prone to be anything else.
It’s why the grief Doughty has gotten this year from some has really irritated me. It’s his only down year and people started writing him off. He plays 30 minutes a night as he’s supported by a bunch of spare parts that are so mediocre people think LaDue is a NHL player. It was his first season where he wasn’t a Norris candidate and he deserves better than the support some have given him. Given our over reliance on him it’s amazing it’s his only “bad” season.
Edit: sorry that became a rant, it really wasn’t aimed at you.
johnjm22
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Call me crazy but I don't think it's that bad. I mean it's not good, and the defense looks pretty awful, but I kind of like the forward group.
I think the Kings will finish closer to 20th overall than 31st overall this season.
For sure Amadio should be in the starting lineup over Lewis.
Ziggy Stardust
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This was quite the eventful day eight years ago. Never a dull moment with the Flyers.
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Steve Zissou
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‘Flyers felt like they’d never win a cup in Philly with Richards and Carter’
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Steve Zissou
I'll order you a red cap and a Speedo.
Forbort started really, really good. The problem after that is he's only shown he can play with Doughty, and has been a mess with everyone else he's been paired with. So it's either first line or struggling, he looks like a 6/7 whenever he isn't with Drew.
I said this before the expansion draft, and I'll say it again: protecting Forbort over McNabb was a mistake. Drew's numbers with McNabb were off the charts, he's played better with him than anyone else in his career for whatever reason. And McNabb could play up and down the lineup if needed. Brayden had his issues but he's substantially better than Forbort, which analytics strongly supported at the time. Forbort was passing the eye test but his numbers showed glaring weaknesses. It could have easily been chalked up to small sample size, and was also during a time where everyone was getting sick of advanced stats and questioning their validity because they came up in every conversation. Unfortunately for the team it turned out to be a predictor rather than an anomaly.
It didn't bother me that much when it did happen, because I understood the reasons why the team did what they did. The team was on it's way to sucking anyways so it didn't really matter in the end.
Ziggy Stardust
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If you look at Forbort early on in his career with the Kings, he actually showed more of a willingness to get involved physically. The past two seasons, he's been even less engaged. I feel like the removal of competition that he had when he was fighting for ice time along with Brayden McNabb has made him complacent. Now he has the energy of a sloth, and moves like one as well.
Forbort looked ok as a rookie. Im very critical of his play and overall think he sucks. But I am willing to give him benefit of the doubt and hope he has a solid year. Chalk up last season as a sophomore-ish slump and move forward. The problem with him is he has many problems... Bad in the d zone. Bad in o zone. Gets beat a lot even by forwards that arent top end talents. For a big guy hes soft in front of his own net. What a horror show.
To be honest I thought the best he looked was on the 3rd pair with fantenberg and i think he may have also played with folin. On paper those pairings are scary bad but they did play solid.
To be honest I thought the best he looked was on the 3rd pair with fantenberg and i think he may have also played with folin. On paper those pairings are scary bad but they did play solid.
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I also think our team defense has degenerated the last couple years, making him less sure of decisions on where and how to commit on what used to be easier plays. Reads aren't his strongest suit, so he’s suffering. Not letting him off the hook but its a factor.
DoktorJeep
Fair winds and following seas Nikolai.
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