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Havertz, Werner, Kante, Ziyech, Pulisic, etc. are all very talented. They aren't all performing well, but that is as much on Lampard as anyone.
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I’m not a manager, but to me, a lot of Chelsea’s problems stem in the fact that I don’t think they’re settled defensively, I think some of their midfield is inexperienced or doesn’t quite fit, and offensively they have a lot of the same.
Defensively, I think they’re passable, but I think it’s going to take time to get organized. I think some of the parts are there, but they’re more or less building keeper and defense from scratch. There’s no continuity and there was minimal time this summer to work and integrate. I think there are severe questions about how they want to play and whether or not what they do is going to be conducive to a solid defensive foundation. I think what’s happening in midfield is related to how the defense works. In my eyes, and I haven’t watched every minute of Chelsea, but I watched a large amount the last two years, at times, they get over run in the midfield and they are allowing runs and chances at their defense. Today, Leicester was playing to counter a bit, but they picked up the ball a number of times at the attacking third with pace and numbers. Because Chelsea was throwing Chilwell forward, they were out numbered (they were how they setup somewhat anyhow) and that led to quality chances to where Leicester should’ve been rightly more ahead.
as for the midfield, I like Mount, but I think he’s inexperienced. I think they lack structure and a defensive shield that can break up the attack into their third. Maybe Kante does that, but I just think Lampard doesn’t fancy him. Some of their other midfielders aren’t putting in the work both ways, and are looking to get forward. That’s because Kovacic is a lightweight defensively and looks to get forward. Neither Pulisic or Hudson-Odoi really know the first thing about tracking back either.
that brings me to attack. A lot of what they have do the same. Three or four of their players want to pick the ball up outwide, make a pass and either beat a man or play a one two and go. Werner can do other things, but as you saw on the move where Pulisic looked for a flop in the box, Werner is looking to pick it up, make a move and use his pace and accelerate around a defender. It’s effective, but Pulisic is trying to do the same thing. Kai on the other hand is raw. He has so much ability, but even he doesn’t know what position he plays. You think Lampard has time to find that out? Striker they’re a mess. I like Abraham, but he’s stiff and I don’t know if he makes all the runs you need him to make it it’s the other offensive talents they have. He doesn’t exactly anticipate the runs or the one two that they need him to do. He’s a good player, but I wonder if he’s leading the line for a club who wants to win stuff. I think odds are no. Werner, as I said, can do a lot. But he’s pressing really hard. He also can’t quite fit what Chelsea want. He needs some luck, but he needs space and then balls to run on if that’s not an option. You would think he and Pulisic would be able to work something, as they’re both acceleration players, and could work a give and go. But whether injuries or basically stepping over each other it hasn’t worked so far.
Defensively, I think they’re passable, but I think it’s going to take time to get organized. I think some of the parts are there, but they’re more or less building keeper and defense from scratch. There’s no continuity and there was minimal time this summer to work and integrate. I think there are severe questions about how they want to play and whether or not what they do is going to be conducive to a solid defensive foundation. I think what’s happening in midfield is related to how the defense works. In my eyes, and I haven’t watched every minute of Chelsea, but I watched a large amount the last two years, at times, they get over run in the midfield and they are allowing runs and chances at their defense. Today, Leicester was playing to counter a bit, but they picked up the ball a number of times at the attacking third with pace and numbers. Because Chelsea was throwing Chilwell forward, they were out numbered (they were how they setup somewhat anyhow) and that led to quality chances to where Leicester should’ve been rightly more ahead.
as for the midfield, I like Mount, but I think he’s inexperienced. I think they lack structure and a defensive shield that can break up the attack into their third. Maybe Kante does that, but I just think Lampard doesn’t fancy him. Some of their other midfielders aren’t putting in the work both ways, and are looking to get forward. That’s because Kovacic is a lightweight defensively and looks to get forward. Neither Pulisic or Hudson-Odoi really know the first thing about tracking back either.
that brings me to attack. A lot of what they have do the same. Three or four of their players want to pick the ball up outwide, make a pass and either beat a man or play a one two and go. Werner can do other things, but as you saw on the move where Pulisic looked for a flop in the box, Werner is looking to pick it up, make a move and use his pace and accelerate around a defender. It’s effective, but Pulisic is trying to do the same thing. Kai on the other hand is raw. He has so much ability, but even he doesn’t know what position he plays. You think Lampard has time to find that out? Striker they’re a mess. I like Abraham, but he’s stiff and I don’t know if he makes all the runs you need him to make it it’s the other offensive talents they have. He doesn’t exactly anticipate the runs or the one two that they need him to do. He’s a good player, but I wonder if he’s leading the line for a club who wants to win stuff. I think odds are no. Werner, as I said, can do a lot. But he’s pressing really hard. He also can’t quite fit what Chelsea want. He needs some luck, but he needs space and then balls to run on if that’s not an option. You would think he and Pulisic would be able to work something, as they’re both acceleration players, and could work a give and go. But whether injuries or basically stepping over each other it hasn’t worked so far.
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I'll give you that behind Vardy Leicester lack a good option, Iheanacho is just not good enough for a top 6 squad. But Vardy is so much better than any collection of Chelsea strikers it really doesn't matter as much. Leicester has Soyuncu on the bench at CB which is better than any Chelsea option.
Havertz should be better than Maddison but he's not. Pulisic was better than Barnes last season but not this one. With how Kante is being used I take Ndidi over him. Werner is better than any Leicester striker besides Vardy but he would be on the bench like he is now. Ziyach would be absolutely ideal for Leicester as an upgrade on Albrighton so he is the one true upgrade. Under has been good in his short stint and could be an eventual Albrighton replacement but I think Ziyach is still an upgrade on him. Chelsea does have a good collection of talented players but the Leicester starting 11 is neck and neck with almost all the top teams and their place in the table shows it.
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I think City and a healthy Liverpool are the only squads you can say are clearly better than Leicester. That doesn’t mean they’re definitely the third best squad, but I think they’re in the group that you could reasonably pick anyone from to say is the third best.
To me Leicester is the team with the least amount of weaknesses in their starting 11. Doesn't mean they have the best 11 either just as a whole they have the most complete 11. I think the weakest player is Albrighton but he's a safe and reliable player so he isn't going to be someone the other team could even exploit. Next weakest is Evans and again another safe and reliable player that you really can't take advantage of. So if they can stay healthy then they can easily challenge for the title again.
Say's what? Remember that under Wenger, the youth squad was in absolute shambles towards the end of his reign. We're like three seasons from his era so it won't be built over night like Rome wasn't. We actually have amazing talent that wants to leave because we got so much of it like Balogan. Harry Kane was also an Arsenal product.
Le Havre has produced 4 current Frznce NT players.
And taking credit for Gnabry is exactly why Arsenal is not considered seriously. He spent one year there before graduating.
Harry Kane is not an Arsenal product let's be serious.
Maybe in 5 years Arsenal is better but as of now?
Hardly.
Mandanda (OM) , Payet (OM) , B. Mendy (City), F. Mendy (Real), Pogba (United) , Édouard Mendy (Chelsea) , Mahrez (City) are all current internationals who spent at least 3 years in Le Havre academy as youngsters.
It's OK to be ignorant but let's not do as Bluesfan and have the joke be on him.
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Speaking of which I learnt monday that one of my students has signed a contract to join Le Havre's academy next year.
Those are some good players, Mandanda and Payet are world class. Everyone else pretty is pretty good, but Arsenal also has RvP, Fabregas, Gnarby, Toure's brother, ESR, Saka, Martinelli, Wilshere (before he got injured), Overmars, Cazorla, Ramsey, Arshavin, Edu, and others. We made players into champions.
Again Le Havre is a good shout, but this is an exception like Lyon is than the actual norm which is what I've been debating about.
You can't be serious. Tell me you can't be. Van Persie? Overmars? The Toures? Cazorla?
We're clearly not talking about the same thing here.
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Some recent Arsenal graduates are
Saka
Smith-Rowe
Bennacer
Gnabry
Szczezcny
Malen
Wilshere
Iwobi
Bellerin
Maitland-Niles
Gibbs
Eze
Nketiah
Balogun
Willock
Nelson
That is better than what Le Havre and most clubs on earth have produced recently, but not as good as the Arsenal academy used to be when we produced Tony Adams, Andy Cole, Ashley Cole, Ray Parlour and so on. Arsenal also signed the likes of Fabregas, Ramsey, Diaby, Van Persie, Clichy, Sagna, Nasri, Walcott in the mid 2000s at a very young age to develop them, but that isn’t relevant today. All of these players played a little with the academy, a year or so in many cases. Martinelli is the best recent example ( although he played less academy football than the others), along with Jeff Reine-Adeleide. Chamberlain too I guess.
Saka
Smith-Rowe
Bennacer
Gnabry
Szczezcny
Malen
Wilshere
Iwobi
Bellerin
Maitland-Niles
Gibbs
Eze
Nketiah
Balogun
Willock
Nelson
That is better than what Le Havre and most clubs on earth have produced recently, but not as good as the Arsenal academy used to be when we produced Tony Adams, Andy Cole, Ashley Cole, Ray Parlour and so on. Arsenal also signed the likes of Fabregas, Ramsey, Diaby, Van Persie, Clichy, Sagna, Nasri, Walcott in the mid 2000s at a very young age to develop them, but that isn’t relevant today. All of these players played a little with the academy, a year or so in many cases. Martinelli is the best recent example ( although he played less academy football than the others), along with Jeff Reine-Adeleide. Chamberlain too I guess.
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Boy, I almost missed Harry Kane being an Arsenal product.
Even if I would like to thank Arsenal for all the hard work they put in to the 8 year old Kane for one year
Even if I would like to thank Arsenal for all the hard work they put in to the 8 year old Kane for one year
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We think we chose a unique name - haven’t run into any other Lolas yet
I recommend Laurie Anderson's movie Heart of a Dog about the death of her and Lou Reed's dog Lola, though she was a rat terrier
The problem with Chelski is that there is no method to their madness. They just spend money without thinking about how players will fit in. And it doesn't help that the coach is out of his depth.
Again that's not serious.
That list (and I'm not even talking about the names being on it that shouldn't be because it's laughable) is FAR from Le Havre's.
It's not even close really.
bluesfan94
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Damn, they managed to make Gnabry after only one year and you think they aren’t superior? But fine. Add Harry Kane to Arsenal’s list
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Never said he was. Just said he was a young player developed at Arsenal.
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