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Tkachuk would do so much for this team.
He's a "name your price" sort of player for us.
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Tkachuk would do so much for this team.
He's a "name your price" sort of player for us.
Randy Butternubs
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I'd also like Elias Lindholm from them and think I asked their board about him last off-season. Though he supposedly disappears in the playoffs.
I really don't think Calgary wants to get rid of Tkachuk.
Tkachuk would cost us more than Guentzel. We shouldn't be spending more assets, even if the fit would be great.
For fun, who says no to these off season trades:
Guentzel to EDM for a 1st round pick and Dylan Holloway. Would allow us to rebuild prospect pool and protect another player in the expansion draft. EDM is desperate for more scoring from players other than McDavid and Draisaitl.
Rust to MIN for our 1st round pick. MIN would likely need this to be done after expansion draft.
Zucker and a 1st round pick to VAN for JT Miller.
For fun, who says no to these off season trades:
Guentzel to EDM for a 1st round pick and Dylan Holloway. Would allow us to rebuild prospect pool and protect another player in the expansion draft. EDM is desperate for more scoring from players other than McDavid and Draisaitl.
Rust to MIN for our 1st round pick. MIN would likely need this to be done after expansion draft.
Zucker and a 1st round pick to VAN for JT Miller.
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sovietsanta87
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He would fit the bill of what Burke loves. I’d easily trade Jake for him. Then I’d try and trade Rust+ to Minnesota for Greenway
sovietsanta87
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Jake Guentzel sucks. Also we should trade him to Calgary for one of their key players.
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Let's trade Guentzel, Rust, and Jarry to EDM for McDavid
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I think moving Guentzel is a bad move.
If you move anyone right now, it's Rust. Obviously there's Zucker and Pettersson, but I think the big move should be moving Rust. He has a year left on his team friendly contract and will probably make around what Guentzel is making on his next contract. He brings a lot of intangibles that Guentzel doesn't bring, but he's inconsistent.
He also hasn't been a big playoff performer for years. They need that right now. I think moving Rust for the kind of player that's more built for playoff hockey is a move similar to the James Neal trade. Rust doesn't produce like Neal, obviously, but the idea of trading one of your better wingers for maybe someone that's slightly less productive but brings intangibles you need is something that's invaluable. Someone like Jordan Greenway for instance. I'm not saying the Wild would make that move, but that's the idea of a guy that you want.
If you move anyone right now, it's Rust. Obviously there's Zucker and Pettersson, but I think the big move should be moving Rust. He has a year left on his team friendly contract and will probably make around what Guentzel is making on his next contract. He brings a lot of intangibles that Guentzel doesn't bring, but he's inconsistent.
He also hasn't been a big playoff performer for years. They need that right now. I think moving Rust for the kind of player that's more built for playoff hockey is a move similar to the James Neal trade. Rust doesn't produce like Neal, obviously, but the idea of trading one of your better wingers for maybe someone that's slightly less productive but brings intangibles you need is something that's invaluable. Someone like Jordan Greenway for instance. I'm not saying the Wild would make that move, but that's the idea of a guy that you want.
MayorofWBS
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IMHO, the Pens should say no to that Guentzel to EDM trade. I'm skeptical of Holloway producing good offensive numbers in the NHL. Plus this draft is a total crapshoot due to the lack of scouting opportunities. I don't have a problem moving Rust for a 2021 pick and prospect. Guentzel no way.
I'd might move Jake in hockey trade at this point. A trade for picks and prospects....no.
BrookswasHere44
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Memories are things of the past which is what Jakes playoff success is.Jesus memories are so short around here
Trading Guentzel?! Good lord. I'm sure you guys are trading Malkin and Letang too.
He might be injured, might not
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The thing with Jake is his value to the team depends on information we're not privy to-- namely his shoulder. If it's just a problem of discomfort (and man, shoulder injuries take a damn long time to fully heal, I know), then hold on to him. If, however, it seems like it's going to impact his game going forward, I'd think about trading him in the next season while he still holds value and puts up points.
But a PPG player on a reasonable contract isn't really the one I'd move. I'd move the guy who's going to get a huge payday and whose best numbers are half of what Jake puts up.
But a PPG player on a reasonable contract isn't really the one I'd move. I'd move the guy who's going to get a huge payday and whose best numbers are half of what Jake puts up.
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I am so sick of the "he doesn't produce in the playoffs" justification to trade a certain guy. That's what everyone said about Hornqvist and now Hornqvist has 5 points in 5 games in the playoffs. Rust has been right in line with Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel, Zucker, etc. This is not a Rust issue. This is a team wide issue.
If you want to trade Rust because of his contract status, age, needing a different mix on the wings, he'd bring back value, etc. Great. That's fine and I may even agree with you depending on what the return is, but please stop saying it's because he's not producing in the playoffs.
I'd also add in regards to Rust, Rust has always been streaky, but especially with Crosby. I think he is much more consistent with Malkin, but for some reason, the NHL made a rule that he has to play with Crosby, so...
If you want to trade Rust because of his contract status, age, needing a different mix on the wings, he'd bring back value, etc. Great. That's fine and I may even agree with you depending on what the return is, but please stop saying it's because he's not producing in the playoffs.
I'd also add in regards to Rust, Rust has always been streaky, but especially with Crosby. I think he is much more consistent with Malkin, but for some reason, the NHL made a rule that he has to play with Crosby, so...
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I really wish we'd try G M R for a hot minute to see if maybe, just maybe, Jake and Rust can spark their games with Malkin and Sid gets two speedy workhorses in Kap and Zucker.
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He also isn’t very good in the playoffs in his career so he’ll fit right in with our terrible set of wingers @Empoleon8771
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Well, we'll start him in the press box just to get him acclimated. Riikola can show him where all the good hiding spots are in the Igloo when Madden shows up and wants to hang out.
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Agreed. I also think Trotz would still matchup against Crosby, so it would get their best wingers an easier matchup with Geno who hasn't been perfect, but definitely has some jump to his game.
I also wouldn't hate putting Carter with Crosby. Move Guadreau to C and bump Rust or Kap to L3.
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Pfffft. Keeping your opponent on their toes has NEVER worked.
Where do you people get this stuff? College, I bet.
We here at the school of hard knocks know that if you just smash your face against that brick wall enough times eventually you'll die of a massive brain injury.
MayorofWBS
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So not producing in the playoffs is okay? Is that you Steelers management?
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Darren McCord
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Sullivan and Crosby are the only people in the world who dont want to try it. And they are the only two people who matter.
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One mystery that I'm not sure will ever be completely cleared up is exactly how much input Crosby really has re: his linemates.
It seems clear at this point that there are preferences sure but like... do we REALLY think Crosby would throw a fit if GMR worked? It would help his team win, right? Malkin has taken assignments before for the betterment of the team and seemed happy enough to do it. I really don't know that Crosby is this like... domineering force when it comes to his linemates. I think it's just unimaginative, lazy, somewhat spineless coaching.
There is also the very real consideration to make that Malkin seems much easier to adjust to his linemates while Crosby seems to require guys of a much more certain mold. It's a factor but even then... I dunno. I have a hard time believing Crosby would suck with linemates like Zucker and Kap or Carter or whoever, ya know? He's Sid f***ing Crosby.
It seems clear at this point that there are preferences sure but like... do we REALLY think Crosby would throw a fit if GMR worked? It would help his team win, right? Malkin has taken assignments before for the betterment of the team and seemed happy enough to do it. I really don't know that Crosby is this like... domineering force when it comes to his linemates. I think it's just unimaginative, lazy, somewhat spineless coaching.
There is also the very real consideration to make that Malkin seems much easier to adjust to his linemates while Crosby seems to require guys of a much more certain mold. It's a factor but even then... I dunno. I have a hard time believing Crosby would suck with linemates like Zucker and Kap or Carter or whoever, ya know? He's Sid f***ing Crosby.
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Maybe we are at a point in their respective careers where deploying Sid and Geno together to maximize each makes sense... time to show off that center depth.
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