Pittsburgh Penguins Prospects Thread

[Speaking Moistly]

It’s crazy that he wasn’t drafted. Hopefully fantastic for the Pens but it’s hard to believe.

 

[The Greatest 101]

I think we have some pretty good winger prospects that can be developed into good complimentary wingers for us. Olund,Angello,Lafferty will be in WB next season and we still have bellerive,Bjorkqvist etc. That's why I'm not that attached to Sprong and definitely fine to trade him for a 3C since I don't think he's a game-breaking talent.

 

[theicebox]

Is there any chance that Bellerive has 2c potential?

 

[deakka]

Bellerive with the standard 2 point night.
Would be nice for him to hit 100 points.

I was hoping he would be under consideration for the WJC this year since he outproduced a couple of forwards who made the team.
But he should absolutely have a chance of playing in next years WJC.

 

[Peat]

Is there any chance that Bellerive has 2c potential?

On paper, yes.

Based on the very limited viewings from prospect camp... he looks like the sort of guy the Pens convert from centre to wing. His face-offs aren't great and he hasn't got a nice lanky reach to cover lots of ground defensively. He looked more a high energy fearless athlete with a nice shot than a cerebral playmaker.

That should be taken with a massive pinch of salt but I'm personally not banking on him being a 2C type of guy.

 

[The Old Master]

On paper, yes.

Based on the very limited viewings from prospect camp... he looks like the sort of guy the Pens convert from centre to wing. His face-offs aren't great and he hasn't got a nice lanky reach to cover lots of ground defensively. He looked more a high energy fearless athlete with a nice shot than a cerebral playmaker.

That should be taken with a massive pinch of salt but I'm personally not banking on him being a 2C type of guy.

ya, he's not built for the typical pen's center....but with the right wings he has the smarts to do well

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Bellerive had a couple goals tonight, bringing his total to 41.

That's good for 7th in the WHL, and he's the youngest goal-scorer in the top 10 (only '99).

Not too shabby for an undrafted FA.

Keep saying it, but with all the prospects and picks this franchise trades year after year we need to sign all these UFA's
So far JR has done a fantastic job, scouts as well deserve a ton of credit
We were in on Vessey and in on Butcher which was close to signing with us.

 

[Jacob]

Bellerive’s gotta have a good shot at being on the WJC team next season.

 

[The Old Master]

Keep saying it, but with all the prospects and picks this franchise trades year after year we need to sign all these UFA's.

it's a very risky place to be. and not something you should really want to do. imo

 

[Tender Rip]

it's a very risky place to be. and not something you should really want to do. imo

What place is that? Being a perennial contender ?

I’d rather that than the alternatives...

In any case the point was a good one. We’ve clearly acquired a decent reputation and the caroussel of young wingers making it on to the team in the last three years should underline that it is a team where one can get the chance. We have to continue to exploit this as much as possible.

 

[The Old Master]

What place is that? .

no, have to rely on signing ufa and hoping to strike gold.

 

[Peat]

no, have to rely on signing ufa and hoping to strike gold.

Its the same place as being a perennial contender as far as I can see.

 

[The Old Master]

Its the same place as being a perennial contender as far as I can see.

you have a much better chance keeping your picks

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

you have a much better chance keeping your picks

The reality is that contenders need to move picks to shore up their teams for playoff runs. You don't stop acquiring what you need when you're in that position just to hoard picks.

Don't give away the farm for no good reason, but if you have a roster hole that needs to be addressed, you address it.

 

[StaalForOne]

The reality is that contenders need to move picks to shore up their teams for playoff runs. You don't stop acquiring what you need when you're in that position just to hoard picks.

Don't give away the farm for no good reason, but if you have a roster hole that needs to be addressed, you address it.

Right. There are senseless trades and there are meaningful trades. The Pens have essentially been bleeding draft assets for a decade and it has yet to hurt them.

You could even make an argument that trading their 1st round pick (Yes I know these aren't the only tradable assets, but definitely the most appealing, and the least amount of research) has paid more dividends than the 1st round picks themselves.

Drafted players: Pouliot, Maatta, Despres, Bennett, Esposito, Kapanen, Morrow
Players acquired using 1st rd Pick: Kessel, Hossa, Dupuis, Reaves, Iginla

 

[HandshakeLine]

Have any of the perennial Cup contenders been hoarding picks lately, though?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Have any of the perennial Cup contenders been hoarding picks lately, though?

Washington did a pretty good job of it for awhile under McPhee, and then blew their wad on Martin Erat.

 

[KIRK]

Have any of the perennial Cup contenders been hoarding picks lately, though?

Don't know about extra picks per se, but Tampa is stacked in terms of futures they could offer in a deal.

 

[Tender Rip]

Don't know about extra picks per se, but Tampa is stacked in terms of futures they could offer in a deal.

They are... but while tipping your cap to the way they have drafted and found quality among undrafted players, it is also a factor that they are a team that traded Martin St. Louis while knee deep in the hunt for a playoff spot and then got swept in the first round back in 2014.
They have not been perennial contenders for long, and indeed missed the playoffs just last season.

Fair or not, since 2009 the Penguins have been pretty much expected to make the cup final every year, or at least it would be considered somewhat of a disappointment if we did not. Now Tampa has a great situation also and a team big expectations can be made of.... and consequently they're in the big fish discussions (Karlsson/McD). That'll thin out the farm fast enough.

 

[KIRK]

They are... but while tipping your cap to the way they have drafted and found quality among undrafted players, it is also a factor that they are a team that traded Martin St. Louis while knee deep in the hunt for a playoff spot and then got swept in the first round back in 2014.
They have not been perennial contenders for long, and indeed missed the playoffs just last season.

Fair or not, since 2009 the Penguins have been pretty much expected to make the cup final every year, or at least it would be considered somewhat of a disappointment if we did not. Now Tampa has a great situation also and a team big expectations can be made of.... and consequently they're in the big fish discussions (Karlsson/McD). That'll thin out the farm fast enough.

The team that I'd think SHOULD be all over EK or McD is Vegas. Heck, GMGM has so much cap space and so many futures to burn that he could pay the price for BOTH of them and still have a futures cupboard better stocked than 90% of the league.

 

[Hossa die Waldfee]

Don't know about extra picks per se, but Tampa is stacked in terms of futures they could offer in a deal.

Although to be fair, in the last 10 seasons they've missed the playoffs more times than they made it. That's not really a perrenial cup contender in my opinion and definitely makes it easier to hoard futures.

 

[SEALBound]

If we trade the 1st or 2nd, wonder if we could sign this undrafted guy in the QMJHL...

Alex Barré-Boulet

 

[Peat]

Bellerive has been named WHL star of the week after 5 goals and 10 points in 5 games.

 

[HandshakeLine]

The team that I'd think SHOULD be all over EK or McD is Vegas. Heck, GMGM has so much cap space and so many futures to burn that he could pay the price for BOTH of them and still have a futures cupboard better stocked than 90% of the league.

I'm still shocked at how well GMGM built that team. On paper in June, they looked TERRIBLE.

 

[Peat]

I'm still shocked at how well GMGM built that team. On paper in June, they looked TERRIBLE.

You'd think I'd have gotten tired of being proven wrong on Vegas, but I say revisit this in a year or two, because I'm curious what they'll look like once the adrenaline/grudge factor/nobody taking them seriously wears off.