Prospect Info: Pittsburgh Penguins Prospects Thread: 2023-2024 Edition

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Ryder71

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Yeah this is the main reason I think Ponomarev is ranked above Koivunen. I think Ponomarev's upside is a playmaking 2-way 3C (think Alex Wennberg), while Koivunen's is a playmaking middl6-6 winger (think Jussi Jokinen). However, it also seems like Ponomarev is a lot safer of a bet to reaching that upside than Koivunen, which probably makes up for the upside difference there. It's not like Koivunen has a monstrously high upside to negate out the extra risk with him.
If you look at Jokinen as a 21 yr old (turned 21 april 1st) (at the end of that season 2003-2004) in the finnish league he had 15 Goals and 23 assists for 38 points in 55 games. Koivunen who hasn't quite turned 21 yet (6-13) had 22 goals and 34 assists for 56 points in 59 games. He followed that up with Five goals and eight assists for 13 points in 12 playoff games. Pretty impressive.
 

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Pens relinquished rights to Thimo Nickl and Nolan Collins today. It was the deadline to sign them to entry level contracts.

Neither is a surprise. They aren't prospects, Nickl spent all last year in Wheeling and was unremarkable. Collins has had injury issues.
Utah relinquished their rights to QMJHL Left handed defenseman Jeremy Larglois. Last season he played in 61 games and had 17 goals 45 assists and was a plus 41. He is only 20 years old and was drafted in the 3rd round in the 2020 draft.
 
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If you look at Jokinen as a 21 yr old (turned 21 april 1st) (at the end of that season 2003-2004) in the finnish league he had 15 Goals and 23 assists for 38 points in 55 games. Koivunen who hasn't quite turned 21 yet (6-13) had 22 goals and 34 assists for 56 points in 59 games. He followed that up with Five goals and eight assists for 13 points in 12 playoff games. Pretty impressive.

I’d have signed Collins. 6’3” RD don’t grow on trees.
How about simply signing Yager? Or is that too much trouble?
 

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Another coach for WB/S I’d look at if I were Spezza is Brett Skinner. Won coach of the year and the championship in the USHL in his first season, but was an assistant for a while before that. Kind of an eclectic playing career, he was all over the place. Even 4 years in Europe.

Maybe an assistant spot if they’re set on Snowden for HC.
 

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Pens relinquished rights to Thimo Nickl and Nolan Collins today. It was the deadline to sign them to entry level contracts.

Neither is a surprise. They aren't prospects, Nickl spent all last year in Wheeling and was unremarkable. Collins has had injury issues.
Definitely not a surprise re: Collins. You don't draft bottom-pairing defenseman. You don't draft bottom-6 forwards. Why this franchise continues to do so in abundance is beyond me.
 

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I’d have signed Collins. 6’3” RD don’t grow on trees.
There are dozens of Nolan Collins types out there. Yeah, he's a big RD, but that's all he is. Even St. Ivany, who is a pure defensive defenseman, showcased more offense in college than Collins has in the OHL. Collins scored at .23 points per game in his four OHL seasons. St. Ivany was .57 points per game in college.

Collins just doesn't being enough to warrant a contract, especially when you factor in the frequent injuries.
 

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There are dozens of Nolan Collins types out there. Yeah, he's a big RD, but that's all he is. Even St. Ivany, who is a pure defensive defenseman, showcased more offense in college than Collins has in the OHL. Collins scored at .23 points per game in his four OHL seasons. St. Ivany was .57 points per game in college.

Collins just doesn't being enough to warrant a contract, especially when you factor in the frequent injuries.
I skated with Collins a few times in the off season at a couple skates in Oshawa, and honestly for a big man he moves and jumps in pretty well and had some technical skills that you could tell there was offence that could grow. I would never have guessed that going into this season with the skill in Sudbury and how he looked relative to some other draft picks and tier 2 A guys out there that he would have a 15% point regression is his D+2 year, especially while the rest of the team progressed so much offensively.
 
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There are dozens of Nolan Collins types out there. Yeah, he's a big RD, but that's all he is. Even St. Ivany, who is a pure defensive defenseman, showcased more offense in college than Collins has in the OHL. Collins scored at .23 points per game in his four OHL seasons. St. Ivany was .57 points per game in college.

Collins just doesn't being enough to warrant a contract, especially when you factor in the frequent injuries.
I don't disagree, I know very little about Collins, but I hope it's not another Muzzin type scenario.
 

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The point is that it’s been 10 years at least since anyone trusted the Pens drafting and development…and for good reason lol
 

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New sheriff in town. Kyle will lead us to prosperity.

We’ll see…we still don’t have a coach in Wilkes and Sullivan is still employed demanding young players PK and make no mistakes or he’ll stunt their development…hard to be excited…I’d trust Kyle more if he’d fire Sullivan and if he can’t fire him, then how pathetic is he to take a job like that with those conditions?
 
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We’ll see…we still don’t have a coach in Wilkes and Sullivan is still employed demanding young players PK and make no mistakes or he’ll stunt their development…hard to be excited…I’d trust Kyle more if he’d fire Sullivan and if he can’t fire him, then how pathetic is he to take a job like that with those conditions?
He has a seven year contract and making oodles of money, sounds pretty smart to me. That's the kind of guy I want steering the ship. That and the magnificent trade he made to get key pieces for the future in trading the muppet!

You guys are really gonna like PONO when he gets healthy. Koivunen will be a guy you'll like also IF you're a bit Patient. Maybe Ilyin will tickle your fancy a couple years after that. The future looks bright but still a lot of work ahead.
 

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Definitely not a surprise re: Collins. You don't draft bottom-pairing defenseman. You don't draft bottom-6 forwards. Why this franchise continues to do so in abundance is beyond me.
by the time you get to the bottom rounds you have to think the draft has been picked clean of top 6 picks. so, you start looking for guys with the best chance to just play in the nhl. imo .... but then we draft bottom 6 guys in the top rounds. :laugh:
 
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Carlo- .35 PPG in the WHL.
Cernak- .4 PPG in the OHL.
Benoit- .27 PPG in the QMJHL.
Desharnais- .22 PPG in the NCAA.
Edmundson- .36 PPG in the WHL.

It can be done. Might as well toss Collins an ELC and release Frasca and/or Svejkovsky, who are just wastes of NHL contract spots.
 

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Always a risk.
There's high and low risk. I'd say it's pretty low. Good * might be, well he's not going to make it HERE. Doesn't mean he won't make it elsewhere. We see that all the time in this league. Sometimes you benefit, sometimes you're the goat.
 

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Carlo- .35 PPG in the WHL.
Cernak- .4 PPG in the OHL.
Benoit- .27 PPG in the QMJHL.
Desharnais- .22 PPG in the NCAA.
Edmundson- .36 PPG in the WHL.

It can be done. Might as well toss Collins an ELC and release Frasca and/or Svejkovsky, who are just wastes of NHL contract spots.
I remember in 2015 barking about what a POS WBS was for us and said they need to release half of them and go out and find better prospects. I named Kuhnhackl specifically as a guy who was a waste of space :laugh: He proved me wrong the next year, lol. But yeah when it comes to Svejkovsky, it's hard to get excited about such meager production.
 
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Carlo- .35 PPG in the WHL.
Cernak- .4 PPG in the OHL.
Benoit- .27 PPG in the QMJHL.
Desharnais- .22 PPG in the NCAA.
Edmundson- .36 PPG in the WHL.

It can be done. Might as well toss Collins an ELC and release Frasca and/or Svejkovsky, who are just wastes of NHL contract spots.
There is no release in the NHL, so you're stuck with a contract spot unless somebody else wants to trade for the player you want to dump, but then it's usually 1-for-1 player.
 

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There is no release in the NHL, so you're stuck with a contract spot unless somebody else wants to trade for the player you want to dump, but then it's usually 1-for-1 player.
ELCs are terminated frequently, I think it just has to be agreed on by both parties.
 

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ELCs are terminated frequently, I think it just has to be agreed on by both parties.
yes, that's mutual termination, usually when a player has a better offer in Europe then tolling in ECHL, but it has to be mutual indeed
 

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Dubas is getting closer to blending prospects into the mix. He has to. Pens just can't keep the all in nonsense with a group that is not a cup worthy contender. Playoff yes but unless Sullivan changes his view of what NHL hockey is today, Pens just are too soft to set the tone.
 

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by the time you get to the bottom rounds you have to think the draft has been picked clean of top 6 picks. so, you start looking for guys with the best chance to just play in the nhl. imo .... but then we draft bottom 6 guys in the top rounds. :laugh:
Trotz said it best when moving up to the GM office last year. With what he told his scouts before the draft “I can find you guys to play on the 3rd and 4th line no problem. Go find me guys that can get people out of their seats.”

I think the later rounds especially is where you take your home run swings. Take the skilled soft European who is allergic to the defensive zone. Or the PP QB who can’t gap. You can possibly teach that part, you can’t teach skill.

This franchise has been enamored with prioritizing low skill low risk players likely because our last 2 successful coaches were those themselves.
 
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