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Prospect Info: Pittsburgh Penguins Prospects Thread: 2023-2024 Edition

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SEALBound said:
Awesome!

Can someone confirm this? Roughly speaking...

KHL = NHL
MHL = AHL
VHL = CHL (juniors/NCAA/etc)

I can never remember the tiers. I don't want to be looking at good stats in a crappy league. Like "Oh man! Buzz Flibbet has 17g and 30a in 30 games for the Florida Everblades in the ECHL! Bitchin! He'll make the NHL for sure!"
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The way I now remember it is that Murashov went from "Juniors" to the "Majors". edit: same with Ilyin.

MHL = Juniors
VHL = AHL
KHL = NHL

another edit to add: apparently the M in MHL is "Molodyozhnaya" which means "Youth"
 
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Randy Butternubs said:
The way I now remember it is that Murashov went from "Juniors" to the "Majors". edit: same with Ilyin.

MHL = Juniors
VHL = AHL
KHL = NHL
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Pretty much, but I'd also like to point out that the war has greatly reduced the quality of product in the KHL and associated leagues, so I'm pretty skeptical of these numbers tbh.
 
I wouldn’t try to extrapolate Russian statistics either. Even MHL numbers are wonky, good prospects/players fail to sniff p/pg there and then do well in the KHL/NHL. Same with the VHL.

Marchenko is a good example off top of my head. 0.5 p/pg in juniors during his draft year, 3 points in 20 games in the VHL in his DY+1, then a very solid 0.5 p/pg in the KHL in his DY+2 with a good amount of goals.

Voronkov never put up big (or even decent) numbers in the VHL. “Only” had 31 points last season in the KHL as a 2019 draft pick. Comes to the NHL and is having a great rookie year.

Hard to put that in NA terms. 0.5 p/pg in the CHL in your DY would be pretty poor. Same with 3 points in 20 games in the AHL. So I wouldnt make apples to apples comparisons on stats.
 
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CheckingLineCenter said:
I wouldn’t try to extrapolate Russian statistics either. Even MHL numbers are wonky, good prospects/players fail to sniff p/pg there and then do well in the KHL/NHL. Same with the VHL.

Marchenko is a good example off top of my head. 0.5 p/pg in juniors during his draft year, 3 points in 20 games in the VHL in his DY+1, then a very solid 0.5 p/pg in the KHL in his DY+2 with a good amount of goals.

Voronkov never put up big (or even decent) numbers in the VHL. “Only” had 31 points last season in the KHL as a 2019 draft pick. Comes to the NHL and is having a great rookie year.

Hard to put that in NA terms. 0.5 p/pg in the CHL in your DY would be pretty poor. Same with 3 points in 20 games in the AHL. So I wouldnt make apples to apples comparisons on stats.
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Yeah, this is what I’m really worried about with Russian players isn’t really number inflation, but the fact that there just ain’t the correlation with production and success in the NHL, and nobody has any actual eyes in the ground at the moment in Russia as far as I know.
 
Andy99 said:
It sounded in his presser like he planned to flip these guys for a younger NHL players…wouldn’t it be wild if he did this deal with the Canes only to turn around after the playoff and flip them right back to the Canes for Jarvis or Necas lol
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He said that they Pens now have "assets" they can use for trades. While the prospects would count, I felt like he was referring more to the picks they got (including from the Ruhwedel and Hellberg trades). This also goes along with his desire to get NHL-ready prospects rather than just draft picks - if all you care about is trade capital, then draft picks are at least as good as prospects for draft-day trades.

SomeDude said:
Sully probably wants him traded for bamboozling him into thinking his stick-to-itiveness/60 was off the charts. Anyone can score. Can you PK, bro?
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Good news, then! The video of his goal was a short-handed goal, so he definitely kills penalties.
Ryder71 said:
Yep Yager hit 78 points in 15 fewer games over last season. That's exactly the type of Progress you wanna see. Ther'es different things to consider beyond maturity. Linemates. overall quality of the team you play for, health, opportunity ETC. But it's a very good Sign. Koivunen is in a similar boat. Big Jump in his production over last season and he was one of the younger guys in his draft class. Plenty of upside (JUNE Birthday)

Conversely, Pickering and Cruz didn't take a step forward. Similar numbers when compared to last season, not the best sign in their cases.
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College hockey can be weird, sometimes. Often Freshman aren't played as much as the team is giving Senior players more opportunities to play before they graduate. Top prospects will still get played more, but that's also because teams aren't certain they'll stick around more than a year or two before signing with an NHL team, anyway. This is what often results in the bump in production after the first year - they start getting more opportunities.

Lucius didn't see any real bump in stats - but at the same time, point-per-game production in the NCAA isn't that common to begin with. Lucius hit a point-per-game as a Freshman (and was 41st overall in scoring over the entire NCAA). The likelihood of his increasing his production on a team where he was already the top scorer as a Freshman wasn't great, especially when the team didn't really add any help for him for this year. Sure, he got one point fewer this year, but he was already the top of his team - there really wasn't a realistic path for this stats to grow without getting better teammates to support him (in fact, they lost two of their top 4 scorers from the previous season to the pros; one of whom was the only former first round pick on the team).

I'm not saying he's definitely going to be a good prospect. Just that judging him based on the progression of his stats does not seem like it would paint a realistic picture of his potential.
 
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Tankov is a lottery ticket. No different than Puustinen. He makes it, GREAT! If not, oh well. The Russian we need to be keeping an eye on is Ilyin. 0.5 PPG in the KHL as a 18yo is an impressive feat. I believe he's under contract next year but the year after, he could be an interesting add.
 
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Gurglesons said:
He wouldn’t be on the current roster with Mike Sullivan on the bench. Get 5 minutes on L4 then scratched for Harkins.
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So f***ing sad but true. I'm starting to think MS also had issues with Poulin during his 3 game call up cause we never saw him again despite a pretty good season in WBS. So weird what's going on here
 
CheckingLineCenter said:


Reg season over. I think he finished top 5 in league scoring. Hopefully a quick playoff exit for Karpat and he’s in WB/S for the rest of the season.
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I think Dubas said he wasn't sure about next season though. IIRC, he said he could be in WBS if he doesn't play with the Finnish International team. But don't quote me on that lol.
 
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College seasons are wrapping up this week and next.

Cruz Lucius & Daniel Laatsch - Wisconsin
Badgers got upset in the first round of the Big Ten playoffs by OSU. Lucius has 1+1 and Laatsch had 0+1 in the three game series. Wisconsin should still get an at large bid for the NCAA tourny, so the season isn't over quite yet. Lucius led the team in scoring.

Luke Devlin - Cornell
Cornell is hosting Harvard this weekend. They had a good reg season, but will need to win a round or two in the conference playoffs to get into the NCAA tourny. Devlin has been hurt since mid-Feb, so not sure his status.

Chase Yoder - Providence
Providence is playing UMASS in the HE QFs. Providence is a bubble team for the NCAA tourny, so needs to win a round or two. Yoder led Providence in goals this year and was second in points (11+9). This is his senior season, so he could be AHL bound after their season ends.
 
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Prospect pool is now the focus as the rebuild picks up steam. Dubas can't be happy with the play of late and the pouting of Jake being moved as if Jake was wanting to sign here. Jake bailed on the team before the season with his not looking at any offers from Dubas. Dubas knew he was out and moved him. The fact jake wanted to test free agency and made his decision is lost on Sid. Jake has every right to shop his talent to the highest bidder. It just isn't the Pens.
 
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Gumbercules said:
College seasons are wrapping up this week and next.

Cruz Lucius & Daniel Laatsch - Wisconsin
Badgers got upset in the first round of the Big Ten playoffs by OSU. Lucius has 1+1 and Laatsch had 0+1 in the three game series. Wisconsin should still get an at large bid for the NCAA tourny, so the season isn't over quite yet. Lucius led the team in scoring.

Luke Devlin - Cornell
Cornell is hosting Harvard this weekend. They had a good reg season, but will need to win a round or two in the conference playoffs to get into the NCAA tourny. Devlin has been hurt since mid-Feb, so not sure his status.

Chase Yoder - Providence
Providence is playing UMASS in the HE QFs. Providence is a bubble team for the NCAA tourny, so needs to win a round or two. Yoder led Providence in goals this year and was second in points (11+9). This is his senior season, so he could be AHL bound after their season ends.
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You gotta think Yoders chances at an NHL level ELC are slim to none. Maybe an AHL contract somewhere.
 
Jacob said:
Yeah I'm not signing Yoder or Laatsch. No offence to them but no point in signing guys you can't envision in NHL roles even in the most extremely specialized circumstances.
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Yoder I could see a world where want you give him a AHL deal but yeah you’re better off with UDFAs.
 
Randy Butternubs said:
I only just noticed this the other day, but check out the other goalies' stats in those leagues.
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Scott Wheeler's take

"Murashov wasn’t one of the goalies on my 2022 draft board but he was seventh among the 10 goalies named to NHL Central Scouting’s final list of international netminders, was among the goalies I would have considered drafted and has played really well (that’s an understatement) in the two years since, establishing himself as one of the best goalies in the MHL and impressing in spot starts in the KHL. He also played on the Russian Hlinka Gretzky Cup team that won the 2021 gold medal. Murashov’s on the smaller side (though he has grown an inch and a few pounds to get to a 6-foot-1, 170-pound listing now) but he’s quick and nimble on his feet, he gets to a lot of pucks, he stays with shooters one-on-one and he’s got great hands. I like the movement, the skill, the way he anticipates plays and his tracking. When he’s dialed in, he’s tough to beat. Had Russia played at the world juniors, he would have been one of their three goalies. With the right patience, the Penguins might really have something there."
 
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