Confirmed with Link: [PIT/MTL] Jeff Petry and Ryan Poehling for Mike Matheson and 4th PIT 2023

[Archijerej]

And I will be here to laugh at their idiocy each and every time.

I don't doubt that. Narrow-minded fanatics have pretty predictable patterns of behavior.

 

[austin316]

I think unfortunately you're going to have to come to terms with the fact that our players' spouses are not always going to share your political opinions.

It's bizarre, I know.

Ah yes, the liberal elite. They are all woke, progressive, and understanding, but only if you agree blindly with their views.

 

[Fainting Couch]

I don't doubt that. Narrow-minded fanatics have pretty predictable patterns of behavior.

Like freely setting up a tent in the middle of a city street to complain about how unfree you are?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Agreed. I don't follow defensemen much unless they appear capable of 50+ points so I knew nothing about Matheson. I would have cheered if Ty Smith was the d acquired and I would likely have been wrong because according to Devils fans he can't skate but Matheson is apparently a very good skater.

I was never that high on Smith but that's just me. If the D is below 6'-0" and on the lighter side in weight, they usually have a long development road. Very few come in and show top potential early.

Harris is pretty much the exact same size as Smith. Devils had Smith as a grade A and I have Harris as a grade B+. Could fall, could stall, could rise. Hard to predict but I did like Harris's IQ in the small sample size we seen. At least Harris is a great skater and good character guy.

I'm warming up to Matheson. He's got offensive potential with a good shot. I'd play him with Eddy. I think the steady Eddy is what Matheson needs. Just like Petry but younger. Not saying he turns into a 40+ guy but we are going to see how maturity and having a rock to play with works for him on the Habs with MSL.

Matheson / Eddy
Harris / Savard
Guhle / Barron
Shu, Wideman

Harris, Guhle, Barron to play 82 games? Doubt it. They might share NHL/AHL time here and there and also share time with Shu and Wideman.

I would start with that though and go from there.

 

[Fainting Couch]

Ah yes, the liberal elite. They are all woke, progressive, and understanding, but only if you agree blindly with their views.

Woke and elite in one post!
Your supply of MREs must be impressive!

 

[dcyhabs]

A lot of players show potential but very few ever fulfill said potential and are able to stay in the league. The obsession that many HF posters have with potential like life is a video game is laughable. Poehling could not grab a spot on a terrible and depleted Montréal Canadiens team but he will somehow make it on a much stronger Penguins team.

He might, actually, like many other habs. Most of the team would be OK if they had a few play drivers up front and a few guys to carry the puck on D. Problem isn’t the middle guys it’s the complete lack of top guys.

 

[sampollock]

Matheson first this team
Transition game and good skater

 

[Habs Halifax]

What’s with the superimposed triangles above his dome — is that some kind of alien symbol or portal?

I'm a structural engineer. It's likely part of his roof truss. Of course there are many different forms of trusses and you could avoid that but it could have been a reno where they increased ceiling height and had to leave those members in for structural integrity.

Or it's brand new construction some Arch decided that was a good idea

 

[Habs Halifax]

Matheson first this team
Transition game and good skater

His goal scoring power is well above average. He's already went through maturity years. At age 28, he's pretty much fully matured and that's the road Petry went on. Late bloomer. Matheson has potential to be a 40-45 pts guy they way you look at his track. Most of his points generated at 5/5 which is of value

Looking forward to see how he looks with the Habs. Another potential contract to move for futures later on down the road. Pending UFA in his age 31 season.

Now, the most important part... who's going to be a defense coach? MSL can offer puck moving and offensive coaching but we need someone who actually played Defense to work with him in that area. Good thing is we have Eddy and Savard and they know what they are doing.

Age 28-31 years for these types of D is underrated.

 

[Sorinth]

I can tolerate bad play but i will never tolerate a toxic attitude at the workplace.

Staal was also a washed up rental unlike Petry who was supposed to be the #1 defenceman.

He didn't have a toxic attitude he just played bad because he wasn't focused mentally.

 

[Runner77]

I mean it is par for the course. Habs fans love their 4th liners and 6th defencemen. I will never not remember the outrage on this board when they traded Diaz...like we gave up on Bobby Orr or something. He was back in Europe 2 years later lol.

And yet, that Diaz trade was instrumental in … landing Dach:

Habs signed Diaz as a UFA. After 3 seasons, Diaz traded to Nucks for Weise.

Habs sign UFA Fleichsmann.

Followed by Weise and Fleichsmann traded to Hawks for Danault and a 2018 2nd.

That 2nd was used to draft Romanov.

Romanov and a 2022 4th traded to the Isles for their 2022 13th.

The 13th and a 2022 4th flipped to the Hawks for Dach.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

He's a NHL 4th line forward and if he has that modest growth, he might turn into a decent bottom 6F. That's worth more than a 4th but you can't force his value onto someone else.

Pens were trading someone who looks like Petry did at the age of 28 so there is a 6 year age gap. They requested Poehling in the deal and I'm sure Hughes tried to get something better than a 4th added on but they didn't budge. With the cap space in the NHL, we had little leverage to hold out for a better deal.

I think a 4th is a good return for Poehling. But I see him a bit differently than you. I see him as a guy who might be a 4th liner in the NHL but might not be good enough to regularly play in the NHL. I do think if he can become a fixture on a 4th line he could maybe possibly play up in the lineup. I also think that he was probably not going to make the Habs this coming season out of training camp. Watching Poehling last year, I thought he might be traded soon. It seems the Habs like Pezzetta and Pitlick more, and I sort of don't blame them.

 

[26Mats]

He has his qualities, but Poehling didn't earn his way to play on the top line.

I thought he was playing well before his concussion.

Alas, we move on

 

[dcyhabs]

Before last season nobody knew his wife was a conspiracy nut.

Geez I was trying to cut her some slack, the lack of travel must have been tough, but yikes. It's not politics, unfortunately, it's funded intimidation and the people funding it are really not nice people.

 

[26Mats]

The more I look into Matheson, the more I'm content. I was looking for cap relief but Hughes was looking for a NHL body with experience.

Matheson is basically where Petry was at age 28. Similar body size, skating, and mobility. Hughes don't want to expose the young D so you can't fault him for this move too much.

Hughes seems to believe in Matheson as a quality asset. We'll see how it goes.

His 4.85 cap hit and age should be easier to move if he plays well.

So it all comes down to how well he plays.

 

[Adriatic]

Like freely setting up a tent in the middle of a city street to complain about how unfree you are?

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Crosby is only under contract for 3 more years. It's questionable whether Poehling can net 30 goals total in that time.

Always such homerism when a player isn’t ours anymore. HuGo are not perfect. They will make mistakes. This is one of them.

Hughes seems to believe in Matheson as a quality asset. We'll see how it goes.

His 4.85 cap hit and age should be easier to move if he plays well.

So it all comes down to how well he plays.

And we want him playing well why? To trade him I guess but nothing else. We have to lose as many games as possible.

Petry at 50% retention would have returned strong assets for the future.

 

[1909]

Always such homerism when a player isn’t ours anymore. HuGo are not perfect. They will make mistakes. This is one of them.


And we want him playing well why? To trade him I guess but nothing else. We have to lose as many games as possible.

Petry at 50% retention would have returned strong assets for the future.

You need NHL players to play on that D. The youngsters are not ready at all.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

You need NHL players to play on that D. The youngsters are not ready at all.

Then you bring in a cheap veteran. You don’t make this move.

 

[Whalers Fan]

Always such homerism when a player isn’t ours anymore. HuGo are not perfect. They will make mistakes. This is one of them.

I get it. You like Poehling, while I thought he was a disappointment and likely to be on waivers at the start of the season. Could call both - - or neither - - views homerism.

 

[26Mats]

Always such homerism when a player isn’t ours anymore. HuGo are not perfect. They will make mistakes. This is one of them.


And we want him playing well why? To trade him I guess but nothing else. We have to lose as many games as possible.

Petry at 50% retention would have returned strong assets for the future.

Yes, I wanted to go 2 steps further:

Eddy + Petry 50% retained for a cap dump and futures. Eddy and Petry are an elite 2nd pair, a great get for a contender. Pittsburgh would have been a perfect trade partner for that pair.

Would have taken Pettersen instead of Matheson and asked for their 2023 1st unprotected and Owen Pickering. Owen Pickering is from Manitoba. Maybe he could have been used as an asset in a Dubois trade.

At any rate, I think Petry is better than Matheson short term. So this trade helps the tank. AND it's more likely we're able to move a younger lower cap hit dman that's playing well for assets than an older big cap hit, as the lack of a return in the McDonagh trade showed.

Best case scenario is Matheson is another elite skating late bloomer like Petry. A more temperate hope is he's solid and either gets a good return or is a good piece long term. He could potentially have 10 years left in his career.

 

[DailyKaizen]

Poehling got good enough to be a serviceable depth guy on an NHL team, but it does look like he's plateaued a bit. In the end, he was getting buried in the chart and was pretty expandable, even more so with Dach coming in. He didn't get to the 100 NHL games mark though so it's still early for him, there's a possibility he could still get better. It's a risk, but IMO it's not a big one. At least we got something for him when he still had some value.

Well said @Pompeius Magnus

Beyond me why this post does not have more likes/thumbs up

 

[Hacketts]

Geez I was trying to cut her some slack, the lack of travel must have been tough, but yikes. It's not politics, unfortunately, it's funded intimidation and the people funding it are really not nice people.

I think the same can be said who funds CBC, and other big networks. He who owns the narrative, owns the minds to an extent. To bring this back to hockey, look at what the media did to Shane Wright- over 80% of this board was hook, line, and sinker into drafting this guy.. Buddy went 4th.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I think the same can be said who funds CBC, and other big networks. He who owns the narrative, owns the minds to an extent. To bring this back to hockey, look at what the media did to Shane Wright- over 80% of this board was hook, line, and sinker into drafting this guy.. Buddy went 4th.

The media is just going by what scouts are saying. Oddly enough most scouts had Wright 2nd even if they ranked Slav 1st. And he still went 4th.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Is Matheson a LD or RD?