Confirmed with Link: [PIT/MTL] Jeff Petry and Ryan Poehling for Mike Matheson and 4th PIT 2023

[BLONG7]

"We want to get bigger and faster"

Proceeds to give Poehling away for free without trying him with skilled players like Caufield and Suzuki...

I like HuGo. Just wish they would have given Poehling a shot on the wing with skilled forwards before throwing in the towel.

Disappointed they did not give Poehling more of a shot, but at some point you have to fish our cut bait....he may always just be a 4th line guy................that being said, we also have two kids in Slaf and Dach who can skate, and are 6'4 so the size and speed issue is a work in progress.

Anyhow, it does seem like Poehling as versus a pick from next year was added, and we get 2.12M off the cap, and then immediately sign Pitlick who is a better player than Poehling.

As for Petry, he was trash 85% of the season last year..........no loss there.

 

[Cournoyer12]

I like many became intoxicated by Phoelings potential after that hat-trick plus shoot-out goal against the Leafs a few years ago. It seemed that every now and then he would show flashes of brilliance that left me wanting more, you know like that last tee shot you crush at the end of a horrific round of golf that keeps bringing you back. I think in the long run it just may be better for both sides. As for Petry, I want fellas that want to be a Hab and love playing for the Canadiens! He was a good player but it was time to move on.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Poehling was a great buy low add for the Pens. Watch him bust out next year.

Poehling ain’t busting out. He’s a bum.

 

[dcyhabs]

None of their other family was there - they're all in the US. I don't know anything about their vaccination status (and if you check the threads, I'm very pro vaccination - hell, I still wear a mask into stores because it's just a minor inconvenience to me when others are clearly still worried about the virus). His wife had also posted a few times about discrimination towards her in recent months (before going back the US) about being treated poorly due to not speaking French.

Petry is a hockey player who is away a lot. They had 3 kids. She was pregnant. It made complete sense for her to want to be closer to family. Maybe Jeff thought he could handle it at first, but realized he couldn't after they made the decision.

Petry never threatened to stop showing up. He never threatened to quit. He never threatened any of that. He requested a trade so that he could be closer to his family. I'm sure he does feel lucky and grateful that Hughes was able to do that. And if Hughes wouldn't have been able to do that, Petry would have been here for training camp. Pretty simple.

Yes, the media made it sound like Petry’s wife wanted to go out and party or something but the restrictions that bothered her were probably the travel restrictions to and from the US. That’s not a purely Canadian thing, it was mutual with the US, but it’s not easy with pregnancy and multiple kids. I can understand wanting to be stuck on the side of the border with family.

It’s not like she and Petry are doing something stupid, like refusing to vaccinate or mocking masks or something. Petry was able to travel with the team, unlike, say, Archibald who didn’t vaccinate and had bad enough covid symptoms his career was in danger.

Matheson fits the team better by age and if he doesn’t work out he should be tradeable.

 

[dcyhabs]

Poehling ain’t busting out. He’s a bum.

He’s not terrible but his skating doesn’t work for a center carrying the puck. If he moves to the wing or plays with wingers who like to have the puck he’ll be OK. I don’t expect him to star but if he does puck retrieval on one of the Pens top lines he’ll get points.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

He’s not terrible but his skating doesn’t work for a center carrying the puck. If he moves to the wing or plays with wingers who like to have the puck he’ll be OK. I don’t expect him to star but if he does puck retrieval on one of the Pens top lines he’ll get points.

I don’t expect him to have a long term nhl career. He’s a tweener, dime a dozen. Fans here propped him up and he was always the same dumb player he is today.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Poehling ain’t busting out. He’s a bum.

6’2, skilled, great passer, great skater. Ya, total bum.

The guys had two seasons derailed by injuries. Last year was his first full year in the league. Limited minutes with limited line mates and still showed potential.

 

[PeteWorrell]

6’2, skilled, great passer, great skater. Ya, total bum.

The guys had two seasons derailed by injuries. Last year was his first full year in the league. Limited minutes with limited line mates and still showed potential.

A lot of players show potential but very few ever fulfill said potential and are able to stay in the league. The obsession that many HF posters have with potential like life is a video game is laughable. Poehling could not grab a spot on a terrible and depleted Montréal Canadiens team but he will somehow make it on a much stronger Penguins team.

 

[Natey]

A lot of players show potential but very few ever fulfill said potential and are able to stay in the league. The obsession that many HF posters have with potential like life is a video game is laughable. Poehling could not grab a spot on a terrible and depleted Montréal Canadiens team but he will somehow make it on a much stronger Penguins team.

I mean... he probably will. He's got a lot less competition over there. Their prospect pool is pretty thin and they have a ton of cap spent in the Top-6. Where-as we have 14 million bottom 6ers signed to massive contracts.

I don't Poehling will be anything great, but Pittsburgh is a much better chance for him to find an NHL job.

 

[GrandBison]

Ultimately I don't really care about losing Petry and I'm sure Matheson will do fine here, but people here acting like he's Petry 2.0 and that his contract isn't unideal are out to lunch. I would have preferred to retain 50% on Petry and get back a better pick but we will still be a crap team so as long as we get a stud center this draft I'm ok with it.

Matheson cap is equivalent of retaining 3.1 on Petry and looking for a 1.8M$ defenseman to fill a spot. If anything, Matheson is more likely Romanov replacement in top 4 than Petry.

 

[salbutera]

6’2, skilled, great passer, great skater. Ya, total bum.

The guys had two seasons derailed by injuries. Last year was his first full year in the league. Limited minutes with limited line mates and still showed potential.

Poehling’s draft potential ceiling projection was 3C - if all went went well otherwise 4C which is what he’ll likely end up with time & experience

Evans beat him out plain & simple, and has more offensive upside

 

[Shad]

This isn’t all that bad really. Poehling is worth a 4th so that’s a wash. Matheson is not as good as Petry but cheaper and quite a bit younger. Fair trade

 

[PeteWorrell]

I mean... he probably will. He's got a lot less competition over there. Their prospect pool is pretty thin and they have a ton of cap spent in the Top-6. Where-as we have 14 million bottom 6ers signed to massive contracts.

I don't Poehling will be anything great, but Pittsburgh is a much better chance for him to find an NHL job.

Best case scenario he gets to be an extra forward like Michael McCarron last year with the Predators. He will most likely end up in the AHL where he belongs.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

...I watch every team and watch on my two TV set-up in my Man Cave every night until the wee hours, as I don't sleep much (Severe Chronic Pain sufferer), as I've stated on this Forum on numerous occasions...my family jokes constantly that I should be paid to watch hockey because that's pretty much all I do watch...I'm retired, all I have is time...and you still haven't updated your avatar, btw...

Sorry to hear about the Pain BDL - hope watching hockey helps a bit with that.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Hey dude, here's a book that might help you manage that chip on your shoulder. Good luck brother.

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Looks like a good book

 

[peate]

Petry > Matheson

Petry is aging like fine wine for those of you who haven’t noticed.

More likely turned into vinegar. His play was unpalatable for most of the season.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Does it? Who cares if Matheson isn't very good, we won't be anyway, what matters is not burning all our young defencemen for the next few years. Getting past this year is really the focus now, after that we have a lot more fluidity in what we can do cap wise.

Poehling, yeah maybe, but he was very indifferent here and had to be gifted a spot to handle the league. Even Pezzetta stood out more regularly. He might figure things out but I doubt this would have happened here and its very much his fault at this point.

I totally agree about Matheson. The way forward for the Habs IMO is not to ice a d-corps filled with rookies. I actually liked the idea of keeping Petry through the rebuild because he could mentor some of the younger guys coming up. But he wanted out (family reasons/Covid stuff). So once he had to be moved the key was finding a guy who fit coming back. It's possible that Hughes picked the wrong guy, we'll only know later. But Matheson definitely has a lot of the right qualities, so I'm excited to see him play.

Also about the cap - good point - this year is really the peak of the flat cap crunch. Habs have tons of contracts coming off the books, plus by next off-season the Carey Price situation should be clearer. I'm not saying Hughes should stop clearing contracts, I'm just saying this off-season is really the critical time for the Habs.

Poehling did get shifts with Suzuki and Caufield and the results weren't conclusive enough to warrant making that a line.

Also, that wasn't HuGo who decided not to play Poehling up the line-up, that was MSL. Marty surely didn't see anything in Poehling that was worth the promotion up the line-up.

I'm shocked people still thought Poehling had top-six upside. I do think he might have an NHL career, but he looks like a 4th line guy - maybe a 3rd liner.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

This isn’t all that bad really. Poehling is worth a 4th so that’s a wash. Matheson is not as good as Petry but cheaper and quite a bit younger. Fair trade

Totally. And for as much as Petry would maybe have more value if there wasn't such a flat cap crunch this off-season, the same is true of Matheson, so on that end it evens out too.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

A lot of players show potential but very few ever fulfill said potential and are able to stay in the league. The obsession that many HF posters have with potential like life is a video game is laughable. Poehling could not grab a spot on a terrible and depleted Montréal Canadiens team but he will somehow make it on a much stronger Penguins team.

Sometimes being surrounded by superior players elevates a player’s game. I think the Petry trade was an insightful and timely exercise in asset management: something we haven’t seen around here for more than a generation. When I first heard about the trade I thought it was Petry for Matheson and a fourth. I was elated as I saw it as trading an expensive fading player for a player I was always intrigued by and I had earlier regretted that we hadn’t outbid the Penguins for. When I learned that we were also sending Poehling, my enthusiasm was modestly dampened. As I posted earlier, the loss of Poehling should not be trivialized.

But the trade was overall good for the team and shows that this management has a true understanding of the hurdles and challenges that the team is currently facing and possesses a level of sophistication and the necessary vision to effect what is necessary to advance its fortunes.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

However, his wife could have been vaccinated and stayed in Montreal she made the choice or they did as a family for her to return to the states due to their beliefs. I am sure she had plenty of help in Montreal the bottom line is he wanted out and he is lucky that KH was willing to mke it work.

They didn't return to the states because of their beliefs. Petry said they returned so his wife could be closer to her/his family so they can help out with the new baby and the other kids.

Stop inventing stuff

 

[NORiculous]

They didn't return to the states because of their beliefs. Petry said they returned so his wife could be closer to her/his family so they can help out with the new baby and the other kids.

Stop inventing stuff

I remember reading that too (that Petry’s wife was annoyed with all the restrictions we had here).

I can’t remember where so… might not be true (from good source).

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I remember reading that too (that Petry’s wife was annoyed with all the restrictions we had here).

I can’t remember where so… might not be true (from good source).

Yeah, because they couldn't get their families over here to help out, because of the restrictions. So she went over there instead, not because of her beliefs.

 

[PeteWorrell]

They didn't return to the states because of their beliefs. Petry said they returned so his wife could be closer to her/his family so they can help out with the new baby and the other kids.

Stop inventing stuff

The pandemic is clearly the big reason why they went back after years of being happy here.

 

[NotProkofievian]

6’2, skilled, great passer, great skater. Ya, total bum.

The guys had two seasons derailed by injuries. Last year was his first full year in the league. Limited minutes with limited line mates and still showed potential.

 

[NORiculous]

Yeah, because they couldn't get their families over here to help out, because of the restrictions. So she went over there instead, not because of her beliefs.

Makes sense.