Confirmed with Link: [PIT/MTL] Jeff Petry and Ryan Poehling for Mike Matheson and 4th PIT 2023

[26Mats]

Lets throw value right out the window!

What value?

 

[PeteWorrell]

f*** that. These last two years were f***ing terrible for most people. He missed his family and played like shit because of it.

It's not unprofessional at all. You can't always control yourself when you're in a bad mental state.

He still showed up. He still tried. But his head was clearly elsewhere.

My dog is my life. I almost lost her last year. I don't even know what I would have done with myself without her. I know my work and personal life suffered while she was sick. And it's still suffering because of that, even though a miracle recovery happened. So I can just imagine being separated from family.

Exactly. They were terrible for most people and they still held their head high and acted like professionals. Imagine if all the people who suffered acted like Petry: society would have crumbled. Sorry, but he does not get a pass.

 

[Sorinth]

I can't believe I have to explain this so often. TODAY, they created $2.125M in cap space. Again, that is TODAY.

What they do TOMORROW or LATER will be counted TOMORROW or LATER.

We are talking about TODAY!

You can repeat it as much as you want it does make it true. Moving Poehling doesn't clear any cap space today or tomorrow. Hell he probably wasn't even going to make the team out of camp.

 

[26Mats]

This trade is sbout a wash. As far as both players go, meh whatever. Poehling is lucky to get 20 goals in 5 years. We didn’t gain enough cap flexibility in this trade imo. This trade failed to address the issue (cap flexibility).

If we can move Matheson when we need cap flexibility it gives us cap flexibility.

If we can't it sure doesn't. In fact, because of his term, it makes our cap situation worse.

 

[Habbietat]

What value?

Values apprieciate and deprieciate at different times. Tell buttercup to suck it up and play next season, and play well for the first half and we will send his ass out of town the first acceptable offer we get.

 

[26Mats]

Values apprieciate and deprieciate at different times. Tell buttercup to suck it up and play next season, and play well for the first half and we will send his ass out of town the first acceptable offer we get.

It's debatable whether Petry or Mathheson will have more value after their play next season.

But I tend to agree Petry is more likely to.

I think Hughes just didn't want a player around that didn't want to be here. Who can blame someone for wanting to be with their family, and thus transfer to a different city? Petry didn't pout. He just said he wanted to move to an American city to be with family and extended family during covid times...

 

[Tetragrammaton]

The word "given" in not appropriate, since Nothing was actually given.

Nothing and Poehling rymes. There's a reason for that

It’s gonna be funny when he scores 30 goals playing on Crosby or Malkin’s left wing.

 

[Natey]

Exactly. They were terrible for most people and they still held their head high and acted like professionals. Imagine if all the people who suffered acted like Petry: society would have crumbled. Sorry, but he does not get a pass.

He showed up to work. Didn't ask for a trade until we were out of the running so they he didn't hurt the team.

And society has crumbled quite a bit.

It was terrible for most people and most weren't separated from their families.

Just because some people can handle that, doesn't mean everyone can.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Yes, I know that's the argument, but it still doesn't work that way.

Unless your argument is that the Habs are going to run their team with 1 fewer Fs on the roster than they were planning on doing.

Poehling on the team 750k

Poehling off the team and replaced by Slafkovsky- 950k
Poehling off the team and replaced by Ylonen- 880k
Poehlng off the team and replaced by Mitchell Stephens 750k

In other words... best case scenario the Habs break even on the Poehling out and replaced exchange.

More likely scenario, his replacement actually reduces the money saved by the Petry/Matheson exchange.

Poehling was due for a new contract and raise from league minimum

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

What a trade! Love HuGo. You guys are all out to lunch.

We traded a problem in Petry, and a bust in Poehling for a dman who is equal to Petry but gets paid 1.5m less, signed for 1 extra year AND we used the cap relief to resign R. Pitlick which was a great secondary scoring player for us.

Slowly ridding ourselves of the Bergevin problems and getting younger, faster, bigger too.

Cant wait for the next move

Agreed!

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

His contract is still in the window of bad contracts. Anderson, Gallagher, and Price all have 4-5 years remaining.

It is not a bad contract.

Look at what Dmen have been signing for and he looks fine. He is far more healthy than any of Gallagher, Price and Anderson and will still be good at the completion of the contract barring a major unforeseen injury. If he builds on last seasons success he will be a bargain.

Good veteran player, reasonable contract and great in the room.......sounds exactly like something a rebuilding team could use.

 

[Habbietat]

It's debatable whether Petry or Mathheson will have more value after their play next season.

But I tend to agree Petry is more likely to.

I think Hughes just didn't want a player around that didn't want to be here. Who can blame someone for wanting to be with their family, and thus transfer to a different city? Petry didn't put. He just s as I'd he wanted to move to American city to be with family and extended family during covid times...

Yeah for sure being empathetic to players is essential, but so is maximiIng the value of your assets, waiting 6 months when people are in much worse spots for their work for their entire life i feel less so. I wouldnt hold for multille years, just until the trsde deadline when you know teams will need defenceman

 

[KevSkillz4]

I really this trade. Petry is going to have 35 years old in December. 6 years difference between Mike Matheson and him.

At same age 28 years old:

Jeff Petry, 80 games, 8 goals, 20 assists, 28 points.
Mike Matheson, 74 games, 11 goals, 20 assists, 31 points.

Before age 28 years old, Matheson product more than Petry at same stade of age.

Matheson is a going to be a good veteran for young defenseman.

 

[MXD]

It’s gonna be funny when he scores 30 goals playing on Crosby or Malkin’s left wing.

Why would Bryan Rust play with Poheling's jersey?

 

[PeteWorrell]

He showed up to work. Didn't ask for a trade until we were out of the running so they he didn't hurt the team.

And society has crumbled quite a bit.

It was terrible for most people and most weren't separated from their families.

Just because some people can handle that, doesn't mean everyone can.

The problem is that he did hurt the team with his terrible attitude. I have worked with toxic people at the workplace and it's not a fun time.

Players being separated from their families is also nothing new. Players getting traded in the middle of the season leave their families behind and they have to live in hotel rooms or cheap rentals. Eric Staal missed his family during the Stanley Cup run but he was nothing but professional about it.

 

[Natey]

It is not a bad contract.

Look at what Dmen have been signing for and he looks fine. He is far more healthy than any of Gallagher, Price and Anderson and will still be good at the completion of the contract barring a major unforeseen injury. If he builds on last seasons success he will be a bargain.

Good veteran player, reasonable contract and great in the room.......sounds exactly like something a rebuilding team could use.

I didn't say Matheson's was bad. I was replying to someone else saying it will hurt us in the future and I was pointing out it runs out at a similar time as the rest of the big contracts.

 

[Adam Michaels]

You can repeat it as much as you want it does make it true. Moving Poehling doesn't clear any cap space today or tomorrow. Hell he probably wasn't even going to make the team out of camp.

Yes it creates space now. He was on the roster. Pretty simple.

Whether he would have been on the roster or not at camp if he stayed is not something you can calculate now.

So the trade cleared 2.125M in space today.

Your calculation is a hypothetical. My calculation is the fact today.

 

[Saku K]

On a great team Petry is second pairing/2nd wave of the powerplay at 34 years old and 6.5 million. Poehling played on the worst team of the league on the fourth line which had a ton of injuries/covid issue. Apparently those two players had 'a lot more value' than what we got in return. I can understand not liking the Dach trade but this one looks fine to me.

 

[Scriptor]

Moving Petry now was a good accomplishment because there is no telling whether the weight of being separated from his family, or of his wife not being entirely happy to have moved back to Montreal with him for the regular season would have negatively impacted his production and trade value in the process?

A second up and down season would have dispelled any theories of last season being an outlier when it comes to Petry and Hughes would have been stuck with that contract, needing to sacrifice assets and retain cap to move it.

Now was the time to move Petry.

Acquiring Matheson to at least pick up some of the offensive slack left from Petry two years ago (now that Petry is heading to Pittsburgh) is more important for the overall development of the team's youngsters (on Offense and on defense) than not having gained more cap space than the 1.375M leeway acquired through the trade.

 

[MXD]

Yes it creates space now. He was on the roster. Pretty simple.

Whether he would have been on the roster or not at camp if he stayed is not something you can calculate now.

So the trade cleared 2.125M in space today.

Your calculation is a hypothetical. My calculation is the fact today.

But you'll understand that, for the RS, moving Poehling changes nothing, because :
- He was bound for the waivers
- If he wasn't bound for the waivers due to an injury, then whichever forward taking his place will make roughly the same salary.

 

[Natey]

The problem is that did hurt the team with his terrible attitude. I have worked with toxic people at the workplace and it's not a fun time.

Players being separated from their families is also nothing new. Players getting traded in the middle of the season leave their families behind and they have to live in hotel rooms or cheap rentals. Eric Staal missed his family during the Stanley Cup run but he was nothing but professional about it.

Ah so because one person can do it, another can? That's such a crock of shit. And it was also a lot longer then the playoff run, and Petry's kids were a fair bit younger. The youngest was just 2. And his wife was pregnant and he couldn't be there to help her and the 3 other children.

Calling a person toxic for that is just so ridiculous.

 

[OnTheRun]

Values apprieciate and deprieciate at different times. Tell buttercup to suck it up and play next season, and play well for the first half and we will send his ass out of town the first acceptable offer we get.

It's really bad form and it never happen in this league. If an established player ask out (especially for family related reason) he won't be held hostage and will be moved in a reasonable time frame. Habs probably took the "best" of the bad deals available for him, but such is life.

It’s gonna be funny when he scores 30 goals playing on Crosby or Malkin’s left wing.

What a player do playing with Malkin/Crosby is kinda irrelevant when you don't have anything remotely comparable to Malkin/Crosby on your team to replicate it. That said, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Poehling to scores 30 playing with anyone.

 

[Adam Michaels]

But you'll understand that, for the RS, moving Poehling changes nothing, because :
- He was bound for the waivers
- If he wasn't bound for the waivers due to an injury, then whichever forward taking his place will make roughly the same salary.

But as I said multiple times, what happens later will be calculated later.

Today, I repeat, today, the Habs cleared a little over 2M in cap space.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Petry > Matheson

Petry is aging like fine wine for those of you who haven’t noticed. He was amaizing under St Louis, and even Makar would be hindered by playing under Dumb Ducharche. And Petry will still be better then Matheson in 3 years. Poehling was handed over for free. Horrible trade.

 

[Scriptor]

Yes it creates space now. He was on the roster. Pretty simple.

Whether he would have been on the roster or not at camp if he stayed is not something you can calculate now.

So the trade cleared 2.125M in space today.

Your calculation is a hypothetical. My calculation is the fact today.

How did Poehling leaving create 2.125M in cap space when his cap hit is 750K. The point about Poehling leaving not changing anything is pretty simple. The player replacing Poehling in the lineup will make at least what Poehling made, most likely more, even.

Cap-wise, Poehling staying or leaving changes absolutely nothing. Zero, zip, nada!

I hate having given up on hi this early, but, admittedly, he seemed to lack the mean streak to raise his game to a different level.

Only time will tell. I wish Ryan the best of luck, as I do Jeff.