OT: Pirates Talk: That Skenes guy is okay at teh baseball

[DJ Spinoza]

That's true, but we're also talking about a 27-year old. Maybe he has a Max Muncy type career arc, but his upside is probably more like 3 or 4 solid years. His upside will especially be in his dirt cheap years, since he doesn't have much of a carrying tool, but in fairness to him he could carve out a floor path with consistent OBP if he's able to maintain the solid power year over year (a nicer way to say he's basically worthless if he starts hitting 12ish HRs a year max).

 

[ImporterExporter]

The only way this team wins anything of note is by literally pulling off this.



"This guy's here is DEAD"

Also, the amount of times I've said "Giiiivvvvee eeeeummmm the hearterrrrrrr" at games and in general life is too many to count haha.

 

[Empoleon8771]

That's true, but we're also talking about a 27-year old. Maybe he has a Max Muncy type career arc, but his upside is probably more like 3 or 4 solid years. His upside will especially be in his dirt cheap years, since he doesn't have much of a carrying tool, but in fairness to him he could carve out a floor path with consistent OBP if he's able to maintain the solid power year over year (a nicer way to say he's basically worthless if he starts hitting 12ish HRs a year max).

Yeah my point wasn't to say you were wrong, but it makes sense for why Horwitz had much more value than Naylor. That said, I think there's a legit argument that they should have traded less for Naylor even though he would almost definitely be a pure rental.



Looks like Cleveland replaced Naylor with Santana.

 

[BusinessGoose]

What does it feel like to sign free agents? Lol

 

[MrBrightside]

Josh Naylor last 3 years

123 OPS+
6.8 fWAR

Bryan a Reynolds last 3 years

119 OPS+
7.0 fWAR

 

[Empoleon8771]

Josh Naylor last 3 years

123 OPS+
6.8 fWAR

Bryan a Reynolds last 3 years

119 OPS+
7.0 fWAR

I don’t think anyone thinks Naylor isn’t good, it’s just that he’s a pure rental that almost assuredly wouldn’t be re-signed by the Pirates.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I don’t think anyone thinks Naylor isn’t good, it’s just that he’s a pure rental that almost assuredly wouldn’t be re-signed by the Pirates.

Yes but point being, they gave up the equivalent of what we paid for BDLC. Why don't we just do that?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yes but point being, they gave up the equivalent of what we paid for BDLC. Why don't we just do that?

Meh they would have just been in the same spot in a year with needing a 1B to replace Naylor. I don't mind trading Ortiz for Horwitz and getting the 1B position locked up long-term.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Meh they would have just been in the same spot in a year with needing a 1B to replace Naylor. I don't mind trading Ortiz for Horwitz and getting the 1B position locked up long-term.

Sure, but then trade for Adolis Garcia or someone else interesting. It doesn't cost much. Maybe they get Yaz.

 

[MrBrightside]

Meh they would have just been in the same spot in a year with needing a 1B to replace Naylor. I don't mind trading Ortiz for Horwitz and getting the 1B position locked up long-term.

While I'm all for "locking up" the 1B position long term, the idea that a 27-year-old with less than 400 MLB AB's who lacks power can be counted on as a long term solution is serious optimism. I don't mind losing Ortiz, but these low ceiling acquisitions aren't moving the needle, even if they may be around for a few years.