Proposal: Pietrangelo for Nylander

[Srsly]

People are getting a little too excited about Nylander, yes he looks good but his value isn't high enough to land Pietrangelo at this moment in time. If Nylander were to sustain his current play and pace by the end of the season, that might change but Pietrangelo is much more proven. That being said, I wouldn't do the deal from the Leafs perspective as I wouldn't want to part with the required assets that would need to be added to Nylander for this type of deal.

 

[nbwingsfan]

No short cuts from Toronto. Petro is great but doesnt fit the age group.

Theyd have to add to Nylander or offer Matthews neither of which makes sense for a rebuilding team in their stage.

Parayko makes more sense but i doubt St.Louis is interested, but if St.Louis could resign Shatty it makes both teams better imo, seems that TO fans over value Nylander and other teams fans undervalue him. Reality is somewhere in the middle

Nylander+decent dman for Parayko+decent forward?

What is this "doesn't fit the age group" comment I keep seeing? He's 26...

How many cup winners in recent years have won with their "core" all being 22-23 years old? You need all ages for veteran experience.

 

[Liferleafer]

Why are the Blues trading Petro? That's right....they aren't.

 

[SenzZen]

This thread delivers!

 

[KingTux]

Blues add big. Nylander would instantly become the Blues top forward, and probably their best forward in franchise history. While Petro is good he would be 2nd fiddle to Zaitsev on the right side in a couple years from now when Toronto will be playing in the SC finals.
Look at the last two conn smythe winners, Crosby and Kane. Is it that hard to see that that's where Nylander is headed? Toronto needs to keep him.

Well that's a wonder isn't it

 

[Zaddy91]

enjoy finding a stud d without trading ur equivalent of taylor hall

 

[TheDoldrums]

Blues add big. Nylander would instantly become the Blues top forward, and probably their best forward in franchise history. While Petro is good he would be 2nd fiddle to Zaitsev on the right side in a couple years from now when Toronto will be playing in the SC finals.
Look at the last two conn smythe winners, Crosby and Kane. Is it that hard to see that that's where Nylander is headed? Toronto needs to keep him.

When I read this post I thought it was way too obvious, no one will bite. Boy was I wrong! Lot of people covering themselves in glory by taking this sincerely

 

[McDavyCrockett]

I'd do the deal, no doubt. But, I understand why some wouldn't. You have a chance to keep a potentially elite forward core together and there's simply no rush to trade for a #1 D. For the time being, you can keep swinging for the fences at the draft and hope you land that Duncan Keith or P.K Subban.

Problem is, you run the risk of not being a contender while Matthews/Marner/Nylander are on their ELCs given the developmental trajectory of d-men. Why do you think the Islanders and Oilers had to do patch-work for their d-corps after consecutive years in the basement- having to settle for acquiring lesser (non-elite #1) pieces in Leddy, Boychuk, Larsson, Russell, Sekera, etc.?

Matthews/Marner/Pietrangelo/Rielly>>Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Rielly

Of course, this is all a dream scenario and would never conceivably happen. St. Louis is in the final stages of their cup window.

 

[Kelly]

I'd absolutely do this trade, which probably means Blue's laugh

 

[Cenzo_]

Great to see Nylander being underrated here once again. Kid will be a PPG+ center in his prime for years to come. Those are almost impossible to find.

From what I see in this thread as a non fan of both teams is that Nylander is being overrated not underrated. That is not surprising because Fan tend to overvalue their prospecté

At the end of the day, Nylander is a top prospect for sure, but since he is a rookie he is still unproven.

Pietrangelo >> Nylander and Leafs would be stupid not to accept that trade

#1Ds very rarely get to UFA level and drafting one is a very unsure thing

 

[indigobuffalo]

I think from a purely hockey POV it's pretty close value IF we had some way of ensuring that Nylander's pace/production is going to remain consistent (or improve).

Given we can't, there just isn't enough of a track record on Nylander to justify a one-for-one with Pietrangelo.

What's more, if you look at Babcock's Team Canada usage of Pietrangelo, we usually see him paired with Bouwmeester who is more defensive-minded.

I know that he was supposed to be paired with Burns for the Worlds but that didn't happen, nor did the experiment playing him on his off-wing.

I'm not sure if Rielly or Gardiner make good pairing options for Pietrangelo...

 

[syc]

enjoy finding a stud d without trading ur equivalent of taylor hall

Nice trade to use as an example. You literally used the worst trade since the Seguin trade. You should get into politics.

Leafs are in no rush as they have plenty of cap space after next year. I have no doubt that the Leafs will be able to attract some good ufa dmen when the time comes.

 

[Oberyn]

I think from a purely hockey POV it's pretty close value IF we had some way of ensuring that Nylander's pace/production is going to remain consistent (or improve).

Given we can't, there just isn't enough of a track record on Nylander to justify a one-for-one with Pietrangelo.

What's more, if you look at Babcock's Team Canada usage of Pietrangelo, we usually see him paired with Bouwmeester who is more defensive-minded.

I know that he was supposed to be paired with Burns for the Worlds but that didn't happen, nor did the experiment playing him on his off-wing.

I'm not sure if Rielly or Gardiner make good pairing options for Pietrangelo...

Pietrangelo played the entire World Cup on the left side with Burns as his partner. Bouwmeester played with Doughty.

 

[McDavyCrockett]

Nice trade to use as an example. You literally used the worst trade since the Seguin trade. You should get into politics.

Leafs are in no rush as they have plenty of cap space after next year. I have no doubt that the Leafs will be able to attract some good ufa dmen when the time comes.

Bad trade? Optics wise? Sure. But we're a better team with Larsson than with Hall.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I mean he has been a consistent PPG player in every league he plays in. He has 30 points in 30 games I believe so far or very close to that (Might be high 20's).

Nylander is a franchise forward. Some people just can't accept the Leafs are going to be good.

Still small sample size bud, wow. He is not a franchise forward yet, by the way 25 points in 34 games too. He looks like he could be not gonna deny that but he is not there yet and no chance he is worth a #1Dman, this is why most of us outsiders keep saying Nylander is the most over rated player on this board. Not because he doesn't look to be the player that you leafs fans want him to be, but because you've anointed him superstar status, when he has yet to prove it.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Nice trade to use as an example. You literally used the worst trade since the Seguin trade. You should get into politics.

Leafs are in no rush as they have plenty of cap space after next year. I have no doubt that the Leafs will be able to attract some good ufa dmen when the time comes.

UFA dman sure, #1Dmen don't usually become UFA's though. I could see your team drafting that rather then signing it.

 

[RoyalGremlin]

The correct answer is both teams say no and think the other should add.

 

[go4hockey]

Nylander will be a very good offensive 1C, exactly what Blues need. He looks better than Mathews right now. Of course, he's a bit older and has more experience, but still.

Toronto can even add one of their wingers, they don't have enough spots for them anyway.

Nylander will be a very good #2 center but there is no way he is a #1 center as that guys name is Mathews. It would cost more than Nylander to land Pie for sure.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Nylander will be a very good #2 center but there is no way he is a #1 center as that guys name is Mathews. It would cost more than Nylander to land Pie for sure.

I think he meant #1 Centre in terms of NHL talent, not #1 Centre on the leafs

 

[McSuper]

not worried in the least. Matthews will be a leaf for many,many years.

I'd love to see the reaction at any Mcdavid proposal for a top pairing Dman

Toronto has their franchise C. they finally have competent management not looking for a quick fix to save their jobs. this team will grow around Matthews,Nylander,Marner, and RIelly. should be fun to watch `

Did you not see his face when the Leafs won the lottery ? It was clear he wanted to go to Arizona . He will bolt the first chance he gets

 

[Randy Randerson]

Did you not see his face when the Leafs won the lottery ? It was clear he wanted to go to Arizona . He will bolt the first chance he gets

That will just open up cap space for us to welcome home McJesus as a UFA

 

[McSuper]

Fans get value confused . A rebuilding team values draft picks more then a vet player who won't be there to help when the team is ready to compete .

In a vacuum Pie is worth more then any player on the TML as he is the best player right now . In reality the bottom teams would take any of TML young players first especially if they are just starting a rebuild .

Edmonton kept their young forwards until they felt it was time to upgrade their D . On paper we may of lost the trade but we are a better team this year because of it . TML need to keep drafting the BPA because all of them will not make an impact at the NHL level and once you are ready to compete you can make trades from your surplus . TML final has their #1 and 2 C,s don't mess with that . TML rebuild will be shorter then the Oilers for 2 reason . 1) The OBC the Oilers had wanted a 80,s team again . Teams are to well coached for that today . 2) Lou has built a cup winning in this era and knows what to do . He also is not restricted by $$$ in TO . I also don't see Lou making a mistake and drafting a Russian . I love Yak as a person . But as one person said with a Communist government they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work . I know things have changed but the parents of some of these kids grew up with a Communist Government ( or their grandparents and it gets past down ) and therefore has the kids has this attitude and work ethic


Sidenote . I am not sure who made this quote but my dad who is in his mid 70s always said it and I was too young to understand it . He still mention it from time to time

 

[stl76]

People are getting a little too excited about Nylander, yes he looks good but his value isn't high enough to land Pietrangelo at this moment in time. If Nylander were to sustain his current play and pace by the end of the season, that might change but Pietrangelo is much more proven. That being said, I wouldn't do the deal from the Leafs perspective as I wouldn't want to part with the required assets that would need to be added to Nylander for this type of deal.

This is a very reasonable post...one of the few in this thread.

This thread delivers!

This thread deserves clown shoes

It has veered pretty severely off course and really ought to just be closed at this point.

 

[SomethingHockey]

Neutral outsider here (Flyers fan). Regardless of either of these two being available or wanting to make a trade, one thing stands out in this thread (and it's not meant as an insult): There are quite a few Leafs fans who are truly undervaluing having a legit #1 defensemen. A defensemen of Pietrangelo's caliber instantly makes the Leafs legitimate for AT LEAST the next 7 years. By the time the Leafs draft and develop a POTENTIAL number 1 defensemen, that could be 3-6 years from now. The core's window is likely smaller at that point. Just some food for thought.

 

[Menzinger]

The Leas are in no position to trade any of their bluechips for vets - no matter how good those vets may be.

Makes zero sense for either team