Proposal: Pietrangelo for Nylander

[rumrokh]

Blues have to add bigtime, obviously.

 

[Jumptheshark]

It will probably never happen, but why not to discuss such a trade? Especially considering, that one team has problems with scoring, and the other with defense.

The Blues have one of the best defense, but it doesn't help them to win as often as they want. Toronto has a lot of firepower, but without a solid defense, it frequently looks like a glass canon.

So trade for Pietrangelo gets them top4 of

Rielly - Pietrangello
Gardiner - Zaitsev

Which looks very sexy.

And Tarasenko centering by Nylander... It can be a very dangerous line, no matter who the 3rd player is.

Moreover, both teams will still have enough good defenders and forwards to move forward. STL will be able to resign Shattenkirk, and Marner can play with Mathews.

Until someone proves other wise--Shattenkirk is leaving in the off season to either the Bruins or Rangers and the Blues will need Pietrangello

Oilers offered Hall for Shattenkirk but when they talked about an extension he said no. For me that is the warning signs he knows what he is doing

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-couldnt-edmonton-montreal-make-deal/

11. On Shattenkirk: the rumour we’ve all heard is he’s only willing to sign an extension with four teams. I’m not sure that’s the full picture…it might be significantly more than that.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Lamoriello would drive Nylander to St Louis himself lol gtfo saying the Leafs decline this

No he wouldn't. In a vacuum yeah sure, but they haven't done one thing to suggest they are not following their plan of patience and build from within. Why would they move what looks to be a 20 year old first liner for a much older D who doesn't fit age wise in the core?

Why would he not try to address that in FA or via the draft first? Nylander is really, really good. Stat watchers don't even get the full extent. This guy is 100% a potential franchise forward. This is probably a pretty even deal when it's all said and done.

However it doesn't make sense for the Leafs so they pass. They won't cut from the future for the present when 5% of the prospects taken in the last few drafts have even made the NHL. We could have a top pairing D in Neilson for god sakes, lets wait until it impedes the teams progress before making a move like this. Not in year 2 of a rebuild.

 

[Evocable Manager]

I know they don't play together but Shattenkirk is taking some of his powerplay minutes no?

Not really. Shattenkirk has always been on the first PP unit from the beginning. Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk were both on it to start the season, Schwartz came back and they moved Steen back to the point with Shattenkirk (which nobody likes).
Most of the fan base will tel you they wanna see them both on #1PP.

 

[gamer1035]

Leafs say no. He is too old for our core, while Nylander fits perfectly.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Blues add big. Nylander would instantly become the Blues top forward, and probably their best forward in franchise history. While Petro is good he would be 2nd fiddle to Zaitsev on the right side in a couple years from now when Toronto will be playing in the SC finals.
Look at the last two conn smythe winners, Crosby and Kane. Is it that hard to see that that's where Nylander is headed? Toronto needs to keep him.

I'm sorry, I can't, I'm dying laughing right now. While Nylander is a good player, Him "instantly becoming the Blues top forward" is hilarious by itself seeing he has to fight with Tarasenko for that, but the best forward in franchise history is straight comical.

 

[Kshahdoo]

No he wouldn't. In a vacuum yeah sure, but they haven't done one thing to suggest they are not following their plan of patience and build from within. Why would they move what looks to be a 20 year old first liner for a much older D who doesn't fit age wise in the core?

Why would he not try to address that in FA or via the draft first? Nylander is really, really good. Stat watchers don't even get the full extent. This guy is 100% a potential franchise forward. This is probably a pretty even deal when it's all said and done.

However it doesn't make sense for the Leafs so they pass. They won't cut from the future for the present when 5% of the prospects taken in the last few drafts have even made the NHL. We could have a top pairing D in Neilson for god sakes, lets wait until it impedes the teams progress before making a move like this. Not in year 2 of a rebuild.

What a ******** is this? Pietrangelo is probably a franchise defenseman for another 10 years. Is 10 years not enough for you? Then I'm not sure what a bright future you picture for your team.

 

[Redline]

I can't see either team doing it especially St. Louis. Right now they're a bridesmaid team and making that swap wouldn't change that. They somehow need to add a high octane player without giving up anything significant. That leaves drafting, UFA or possibly the greatest trade heist in NHL history. They don't have the depth on the backend to deal Pietrangelo without a heavy negative impact on their defense.
Not sure how they take that next step but it's not by trading Pietrangelo.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Pass from the leafs, while piet is a good rhd dman close to a franchise one, nylander is circling around nhlers and is just really good right now and hes quite young too.

 

[Not My Tempo]

Naw I actually for once in my life like our forward core. The defence will come soon enough. If they're really impatient they could package a lot of our prospects outside of the big 3 in a deal like the O'Reilly deal except for a #2 dman.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Naw I actually for once in my life like our forward core. The defence will come soon enough. If they're really impatient they could package a lot of our prospects outside of the big 3 in a deal like the O'Reilly deal except for a #2 dman.

Ask the Oilers about, how the defense can come soon enough. They are waiting for it for 10 years, and it still doesn't wanna come at all.

 

[Not My Tempo]

Ask the Oilers about, how the defense can come soon enough. They are waiting for it for 10 years, and it still doesn't wanna come at all.

The difference being the Leafs have a top pairing guy in Rielly, he might not be a #1 but he's a solid #2. Gardiner is a solid middle pairing guy and Zaitsev is probably a #3 right now but he's looking better each game. That's 3 of our top 4. In order to be cup contenders no doubt we'll need a #1, but we won't be cup contenders for a while. There's still time to see if Rielly or Zaitsev can become it. Our forward core also plays much more of a two-way style compared to the old Oilers and we're actually a great possession team.

 

[ultron*]

He is too old for the Leafs.
Also, doesn't make sense to trade a 20 year old that's killing it.

 

[Kshahdoo]

The difference being the Leafs have a top pairing guy in Rielly, he might not be a #1 but he's a solid #2. Gardiner is a solid middle pairing guy and Zaitsev is probably a #3 right now but he's looking better each game. That's 3 of our top 4. In order to be cup contenders no doubt we'll need a #1, but we won't be cup contenders for a while. There's still time to see if Rielly or Zaitsev can become it. Our forward core also plays much more of a two-way style compared to the old Oilers and we're actually a great possession team.

Yeah, the problem is Toronto needs 1RHD or very good 2nd to become competent. Rielly - Zaitsev look good, but are they going to be an elite top pair, you need to become a contender? I doubt. Gardiner looks average at best defensively.

Rielly - Zaitsev
Gardiner - 1st or very good 2nd RHD

It's what the team needs. And that 1st or very good 2nd RHD, you can wait for him for 10 years and won't get him.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

No he wouldn't. In a vacuum yeah sure, but they haven't done one thing to suggest they are not following their plan of patience and build from within. Why would they move what looks to be a 20 year old first liner for a much older D who doesn't fit age wise in the core?

Why would he not try to address that in FA or via the draft first? Nylander is really, really good. Stat watchers don't even get the full extent. This guy is 100% a potential franchise forward. This is probably a pretty even deal when it's all said and done.

However it doesn't make sense for the Leafs so they pass. They won't cut from the future for the present when 5% of the prospects taken in the last few drafts have even made the NHL. We could have a top pairing D in Neilson for god sakes, lets wait until it impedes the teams progress before making a move like this. Not in year 2 of a rebuild.

So now Nylander is worth an established #1Dman, Jesus ****ing Christ do you understand what a small sample size is? WOW

 

[Redline]

Ask the Oilers about, how the defense can come soon enough. They are waiting for it for 10 years, and it still doesn't wanna come at all.

And if Toronto's management fails to address the defense issue for another 8.5 years they'll be comparable.
There are many many teams that have gone through rebuilds yet everyone wants to point out the worst failure of all as a likely scenario. By the time Toronto is finished rebuilding (1.5-2 years) i bet they've addressed the defense and still have Nylander, Matthews and Marner.

 

[Kamiccolo]

So now Nylander is worth an established #1Dman, Jesus ****ing Christ do you understand what a small sample size is? WOW

I mean he has been a consistent PPG player in every league he plays in. He has 30 points in 30 games I believe so far or very close to that (Might be high 20's).

Nylander is a franchise forward. Some people just can't accept the Leafs are going to be good.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Blues wouldn't trade Petro for Nylander, he'd cost more than that, as much as we love Nylander this really isn't close

 

[Revelation]

Nylander for Parayko is fair and fits the needs and age groups for both teams while dealing from a position of strength for each.

 

[izzy]

I know they don't play together but Shattenkirk is taking some of his powerplay minutes no?

Petro plays on the 2nd unit for some reason so the first unit can waste the powerplay cycling the puck until Steen can take a slapshot

Petro takes Steens spot on that top unit, he's probably putting up an extra 10-12ish points a season. BUT he's already logging heavy and difficult minutes so maybe the break is needed.

 

[Dbrownss]

Sweet mother of god, what is this ****? No...No...No...No....No....No....No.....No

Alex Pietrangelo will not be traded, period.

Nylander for Parayko is fair and fits the needs and age groups for both teams while dealing from a position of strength for each.

not getting him either.

 

[kk87]

I'm sorry, I can't, I'm dying laughing right now. While Nylander is a good player, Him "instantly becoming the Blues top forward" is hilarious by itself seeing he has to fight with Tarasenko for that, but the best forward in franchise history is straight comical.

Wow dude your sarcasm detector is off the charts

 

[Stopsight]

This thread is embarrassing for leafs fans. The hype train is out of control.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Piet for Matthews is about as silly as Nylander for Piet.

 

[izzy]

I mean he has been a consistent PPG player in every league he plays in. He has 30 points in 30 games I believe so far or very close to that (Might be high 20's).

Nylander is a franchise forward. Some people just can't accept the Leafs are going to be good.

Oh my gosh...