News Article: Pierre McGuire: “You’ll be seeing a lot of me

[BatherSeason]

I can’t understand that trying to undermine your boss would ever end well. It was not well thought out. Hopefully, Brent finds another job one day.

Melnyk was never Wallace's boss.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Melnyk was never Wallace's boss.

He is THE boss.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

He is THE boss.

Like a hockey team owning John Gotti. My way or get axed.

 

[branch]

He is THE boss.

Wow it's just getting embarrassing at this point

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Wow it's just getting embarrassing at this point

Agreed.

If it's not obvious, it is a problem

 

[Shad]

Ottawa bout to have lots of defensemen with long sticks

 

[Micklebot]

So, uh... This thread is about Pierre McGuire, right? Not Brent Wallace, Eugene and the charter jet...

Maybe we can get back to discussing Pierre McGuire and his influence, there are other places where charter flight etiquette for guests can be discussed.

 

[Zorf]

So, uh... This thread is about Pierre McGuire, right? Not Brent Wallace, Eugene and the charter jet...

Maybe we can get back to discussing Pierre McGuire and his influence, there are other places where charter flight etiquette for guests can be discussed.

Can we discuss McGuire's 7 passenger profile for a charter jet company in this thread?

 

[STUDtzle]

Like a hockey team owning John Gotti. My way or get axed.

How do you think it works in other cities?

Dude, I personally know someone who worked in hockey media in Montreal who was flat out told any criticism of Molson was an immediate firing.

 

[Cosmix]

Can we discuss McGuire's 7 passenger profile for a charter jet company in this thread?

I would like to see that, plus a comparison to Hugh Hefner's passenger profile list!

 

[Cosmix]

So when will we hear from PM again?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

How do you think it works in other cities?

Dude, I personally know someone who worked in hockey media in Montreal who was flat out told any criticism of Molson was an immediate firing.

I don't believe that tbh, nor does most of what has received Melnyk's wrath even qualify as criticism.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

How do you think it works in other cities?

Dude, I personally know someone who worked in hockey media in Montreal who was flat out told any criticism of Molson was an immediate firing.

This way of thinking only works if everyone bends the knee. Let's not pretend like this is a one-way relationship — without the media, the team has a much harder time drumming up enthusiasm.

Treating the relationship as a boss-employee deal is how you get principled and reasonable journalists calling out malfeasance as they see it and those who lack any kind of journalistic integrity grovelling for little tidbits they can pass along as if they're original thought.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I don't believe that tbh, nor does most of what has received Melnyk's wrath even qualify as criticism.

Whats there not to believe?

Don’t personally insult the owner of the hockey team because covering the hockey team, and having access to the events and players, is our bread and butter.

Team’s have to allow a degree of media access, they don’t have to let everyone have access, and they can severely limit access.

Besides, the owner of the team is outside the purview of covering the the hockey team in terms of NHL media access.

These are all people who want to keep their jobs, and this is not important media coverage. You wouldn’t put your job on the line to lob disses at An NHL owner, why expect anyone else to? In the end, as I’ve said before, no one outside of here cares about that stuff enough.

 

[aragorn]

So, uh... This thread is about Pierre McGuire, right? Not Brent Wallace, Eugene and the charter jet...

Maybe we can get back to discussing Pierre McGuire and his influence, there are other places where charter flight etiquette for guests can be discussed.

Can we get that pic of McGuire in that turtle suit up again from his SNL appearance?

 

[Ice-Tray]

This way of thinking only works if everyone bends the knee. Let's not pretend like this is a one-way relationship — without the media, the team has a much harder time drumming up enthusiasm.

Treating the relationship as a boss-employee deal is how you get principled and reasonable journalists calling out malfeasance as they see it and those who lack any kind of journalistic integrity grovelling for little tidbits they can pass along as if they're original thought.

Naw, it’s sports media man, and while people get riled up over moves and drama, it has next to zero weight in terms of journalism.

No one needs or will fight for hard hitting journalism when it comes to coving your local sports teams. Most people want to watch games, read a little about our prospects, and get notified of trades and rumours.

Sports media is a side business off the sport, not a fifth estate monitoring the sport. No body will pay for that in this capacity.

 

[aragorn]

Yep, this one.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Whats there not to believe?

Don’t personally insult the owner of the hockey team because covering the hockey team, and having access to the events and players, is our bread and butter.

Team’s have to allow a degree of media access, they don’t have to let everyone have access, and they can severely limit access.

Besides, the owner of the team is outside the purview of covering the the hockey team in terms of NHL media access.

These are all people who want to keep their jobs, and this is not important media coverage. You wouldn’t put your job on the line to lob disses at An NHL owner, why expect anyone else to? In the end, as I’ve said before, no one outside of here cares about that stuff enough.

I don't believe his story is what I was referring to specifically.

I don't see what got this wrath in a lot of cases as even qualifying as criticism, nor do I expect to see eye to eye or find common ground with you on this regardless, so I think it's best left there since this thread has been way off topic as is.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Naw, it’s sports media man, and while people get riled up over moves and drama, it has next to zero weight in terms of journalism.

No one needs or will fight for hard hitting journalism when it comes to coving your local sports teams. Most people want to watch games, read a little about our prospects, and get notified of trades and rumours.

Sports media is a side business off the sport, not a fifth estate monitoring the sport. No body will pay for that in this capacity.

I mean, tell that to The Athletic. As a subscription model that delivers more depth into sports journalism than we're used to from traditional media, I'd say they're doing just fine for themselves and are proving the point that, yes, people will pay for that in this capacity.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I mean, tell that to The Athletic. As a subscription model that delivers more depth into sports journalism than we're used to from traditional media, I'd say they're doing just fine for themselves and are proving the point that, yes, people will pay for that in this capacity.

Sure, ‘some’ buy subscriptions. It’s a niche market, I’m not slamming it. I’m simply saying that the average hockey fan doesn’t pay for the athletic, they read articles on TSN and Sportsnet and like to watch hockey.

Hell, I’m in here and wouldn’t pay for the crap the Athletic puts out now. I like it when it was players writing essays, but sports writers trying to win a Pulitzer doesn’t interest me at all.

My point was and is that the vast majority of fans don’t care about this crap, they like watching hockey.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Sure, ‘some’ buy subscriptions. It’s a niche market, I’m not slamming it. I’m simply saying that the average hockey fan doesn’t pay for the athletic, they read articles on TSN and Sportsnet and like to watch hockey.

Hell, I’m in here and wouldn’t pay for the crap the Athletic puts out now. I like it when it was players writing essays, but sports writers trying to win a Pulitzer doesn’t interest me at all.

My point was and is that the vast majority of fans don’t care about this crap, they like watching hockey.

Hey, fair enough! You're right — the vast majority probably don't care. But if we're posting on these boards, I'd like to think it's because we're probably a little more engaged than your average fan. We're the types of fans who like doing deeper dives into things, and that's where my point comes in — if we start accepting that Melynk is the media's boss and they shouldn't bite the hand that feeds, then we'll only get what's spoonfed to us by the Garrioch-types. That's hardly fuel for a more nuanced discussion like we'd LIKE to have here sometimes. I'm not speaking for the average fan, but I'd like to think more than a few who feel compelled to post here would feel similarly to me.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Hey, fair enough! You're right — the vast majority probably don't care. But if we're posting on these boards, I'd like to think it's because we're probably a little more engaged than your average fan. We're the types of fans who like doing deeper dives into things, and that's where my point comes in — if we start accepting that Melynk is the media's boss and they shouldn't bite the hand that feeds, then we'll only get what's spoonfed to us by the Garrioch-types. That's hardly fuel for a more nuanced discussion like we'd LIKE to have here sometimes. I'm not speaking for the average fan, but I'd like to think more than a few who feel compelled to post here would feel similarly to me.

I don’t disagree with you, but my original point wasn’t about us in here, but was about expectations on the Ottawa media, and providing why I think they don’t do hard hitting pieces destroying the owner or team. I was also explaining why TSN is lock step with owners and the NHL instead of backing guys like Wally who insulted an NHL owner.

Sports media in general works WITH leagues so that everyone gets paid, and sports media RELIES on the sports teams and the games in each league, to exist. That relationship has grown to be more symbiotic as more fans watch from home, but it isn’t going to be parasitic where media looks to cast shade wherever they see a potential story.

The general public doesn’t want nuanced stories, they don’t waste time following back stories and financial drama behind the scenes like we do, it would be a waste for big media to focus on these trivialities, and it would lead to a more acrimonious relationship with sports leagues that they want to make money off of. The more positive exposure for a league, the more fans, the more revenue, the more money their deals are worth.

Those of us who want ‘more’ join forums and talk with like minded fans, and a peruse Forbes reports and follow financial records and bookmark cap friendly (not all of us, but you get the picture). Those who want more can read some writers who write independently at the Athletic as well. Like I said, I wasn’t slamming it, or us, more explaining why I think mainstream media does what they do.

Having said that, the media have put out some pretty honest assessments about the team owner over the years, they just don’t flog it endlessly like some people in here do, or want them to.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

I don’t disagree with you, but my original point wasn’t about us in here, but was about expectations on the Ottawa media, and providing why I think they don’t do hard hitting pieces destroying the owner or team. I was also explaining why TSN is lock step with owners and the NHL instead of backing guys like Wally who insulted an NHL owner.

Fair enough! No need to respond to the rest, which I tend to agree with (save the last line, but this isn't the thread for that.) The initial post of yours I responded to talked about "No one" and I interpreted that to be more literal than intended. I think we're largely on the same page here, though I'd expect that we both also agree that media DOES have impact on fan acquisition, and when journalists are blackballed simply for doing their jobs it's a bad look at best.

Hope McGuire's input into the PR side of things gives us fewer occasions to have these kinds of conversations, anyway.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Fair enough! No need to respond to the rest, which I tend to agree with (save the last line, but this isn't the thread for that.) The initial post of yours I responded to talked about "No one" and I interpreted that to be more literal than intended. I think we're largely on the same page here, though I'd expect that we both also agree that media DOES have impact on fan acquisition, and when journalists are blackballed simply for doing their jobs it's a bad look at best.

Hope McGuire's input into the PR side of things gives us fewer occasions to have these kinds of conversations, anyway.

I agree, but Wally in particular strayed into a grey zone which wasn’t clever on his part. He’s not a big enough fish, and the story wasn’t close to being important enough to put his ass on the line.

EM is a dick who isn’t likely to make the gracious choice in any situation, Wally needed to know better here.

Unforced error in my opinion, which is a shame.

 

[topshelf15]

Pierre McGuire: “You’ll be seeing a lot of me

Meanwhile Ottawa’s new Senior Vice President of Player Development, Pierre McGuire was introduced at a press conference at the CAA Arena yesterday (Tues). In an interview with quintenews sports director Jack Miller the longtime TSN and NBC hockey broadcaster says players in Belleville will be seeing a lot of him this season.

Is he threating us???Lol