News Article: Pierre McGuire: “You’ll be seeing a lot of me

Tuna99

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Everybody in Ottawa “Brady Tkachuk is our Captain”

Every fan base outside of Ottawa “Brady Tkachuk will make a great captain one day”

everyone in the media “Brady Tkachuk is the future Captain in Ottawa”

ottawa Senators Management “just so many choices for Captain here in Ottawa, BUT we only have 1 player under contract long term so that settles that. Chabot you’re our Captain”
 

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Everybody in Ottawa “Brady Tkachuk is our Captain”

Every fan base outside of Ottawa “Brady Tkachuk will make a great captain one day”

everyone in the media “Brady Tkachuk is the future Captain in Ottawa”

ottawa Senators Management “just so many choices for Captain here in Ottawa, BUT we only have 1 player under contract long term so that settles that. Chabot you’re our Captain”

You need to understand that the organization needs to be cautious with the handling of this. The organization are required to keep Chabot happy, and not expose them to potentially a more embarrassing moment when they cheerlead like the media about Tkachuk getting the captaincy. It is not rocket science. Again, you may be reading too much into it, or you are just trying to bring up the usual failings of the organization.
 
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To what end? None of that will ever actually explain what was happening on the ice at the time. If we already chuckle at +\- then your ‘time on ice’ stat is already a joke before it happens.

At some point you have to realize that trying to match two dozen columns of data on a graph to explain what a player was doing starts to take you away from the plot, and makes you realize that simply watching the player play and evaluating them by what you see, is the better way of doing it.
Stats aren't really intented to give you a shift by shift breakdown but if you notice one guy has longer average shift lengths it might help focus your scouting to look to identify why that is and whether it's a problem that needs correction.

Nobody gets to watch every min every prospect plays. Stats can help refine and focus the process making it more efficient. They are complimentary not opposing sides, one doesn't replace the other. When people stop treating it as stats test vs eye test, and insteadlooking at how one can support the other they'll be far better off.
 

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Stats aren't really intented to give you a shift by shift breakdown but if you notice one guy has longer average shift lengths it might help focus your scouting to look to identify why that is and whether it's a problem that needs correction.

Nobody gets to watch every min every prospect plays. Stats can help refine and focus the process making it more efficient. They are complimentary not opposing sides, one doesn't replace the other. When people stop treating it as stats test vs eye test, and insteadlooking at how one can support the other they'll be far better off.

I completely agree with this. I find that fewer people argue that advanced stats have no place (does anyone say this) compared to how many blogger types argue is utmost importance.

Sure, and coaches can look at those stats and speak to the player and make adjustments. They may also notice that said player never gets off the ice when his line does as well. Both things will support a coachable moment, and it is better to have both to bring to the discussion.

Where advanced stats do very well is for the coaching staff to break down ‘the game tape’. Instead of having to re-watch the game and count instances, a private company has already done the leg work and more for them. They only need to find examples to show the player. I think there is tremendous value there, as does our head coach thankfully.

The advanced stats are a great evaluative aid, they just aren’t great for predictive measures, as they really can’t account for the multitude of variables in a single hockey game, let alone multiple games/teams/seasons, especially when looking at 18 year old draft eligible kids.
 
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Why bother tweeting that? I don't think anybody expected McGuire to slam the players or owner, where is he getting that idea from? Just seems like a strawman to take pot shots at those who felt the interview was very vanilla and didn't offer anything new or interesting.
That's his schtick.
 

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Pierre was at the football game Saturday night, we are starting to see a lot of him, whether we want to or not. :laugh:
 

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Seriously, Pierre keeps hanging out at the end of my driveway! In a bathrobe!! C'mon. Ive seen enough of you Pierre...get to work and help get BT signed!!

PM is Director of Player Development, not Director of Contract Signing ! Yet.

Like you I don’t want to see a lot of PM; however, I find his comments interesting so I don’t mind hearing from him more often. ;)
 
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thought I saw him at a pond the other day, but it was just a turtle.
 

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Seriously, Pierre keeps hanging out at the end of my driveway! In a bathrobe!! C'mon. Ive seen enough of you Pierre...get to work and help get BT signed!!

The Bill Murray of the NHL. I heard PM photobombed Stone’s wedding and stole my friend’s fries at the Landesdowne game, after which he yelled, “No one will ever believe you. You’ll have to pin me against a brick wall to admit it.”
 
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Everybody in Ottawa “Brady Tkachuk is our Captain”

Every fan base outside of Ottawa “Brady Tkachuk will make a great captain one day”

everyone in the media “Brady Tkachuk is the future Captain in Ottawa”

ottawa Senators Management “just so many choices for Captain here in Ottawa, BUT we only have 1 player under contract long term so that settles that. Chabot you’re our Captain”

Goes Both ways … some worried the Rangers or whoever may offer sheet him for $10 million … some here want to pay him $5+ next season.
 

slamigo

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I thought the comment “you’ll be seeing a lot of me” was directed at the players? Mainly the bubble players and those just starting in the AHL. And PM will be at the rink a ton. I thought that’s what he meant, not showing up in the media or doing interviews.
 

Zorf

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I thought the comment “you’ll be seeing a lot of me” was directed at the players? Mainly the bubble players and those just starting in the AHL. And PM will be at the rink a ton. I thought that’s what he meant, not showing up in the media or doing interviews.

When he was hired, I was happy because I figured he'd take some media responsibility away from Dorion.

Granted, Dorion has clearly done a lot of PR work this last year because he's been a lot better this season, but McGuire has what, 30 years of media experience? He makes sense as the media figure for the Senators, especially as he gets more acclimated with the workings of the organization.
 

slamigo

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When he was hired, I was happy because I figured he'd take some media responsibility away from Dorion.

Granted, Dorion has clearly done a lot of PR work this last year because he's been a lot better this season, but McGuire has what, 30 years of media experience? He makes sense as the media figure for the Senators, especially as he gets more acclimated with the workings of the organization.
No. Dorion is the GM and speaking to the media is his role. PM’s role is player development and also to help with pro-scouting input.
 
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Zorf

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No. Dorion is the GM and speaking to the media is his role. PM’s role is player development and also to help with pro-scouting input.

I think McGuire's job title is more symbolic than anything because they needed to give him a title that commands some respect, but isn't tied to the GM, because everyone would have gone nuts assuming he was pushing Dorion out.

If you heard his interview on Wally and Methot, he himself said that he'd be helping out everywhere. Drafts, trades, signings, player development, and media.

I never said he'd handle all of the media. I said some of it. And so far, he's handled some of it, which is fine
 

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