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Pierre Luc Dubois - What's the allure?
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iCanada
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Did you ever watch Lindros play or?
I'd give you Bertuzzi. Guerin. Hell, I'd maybe even go as high as to give you like Forsberg.
But Lindros? No way man. Lindros was the scariest man in the league physically, and had a general physical tool kit similiar to what you'd get if you just straight up mixed MacKinnon and Draisaitl.
He was also 6'6 240 in an era where everyone else was 6'0 and 185. Meanwhile PLD is 6'4 225 when everyone else is 6'1 205.
nbwingsfan
Registered User
His effort level is absolutely infuriating.
He should be a force and dominant player but you only see spurts of it from him.
Seems to be a guy who sulks a ton
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
He's tall and does things that look cool when you're tall.
Meanwhile, he's like okayest player in the NHL.
Meanwhile, he's like okayest player in the NHL.
tarheelhockey
Offside Review Specialist
Some players have all the fundamental athletic gifts, but lack that A++ skillset (be it physical or mental) to put them over the top. He strikes me that way, a guy who looks like a stud in drills and scrimmages but just-ok when it comes to 60 minutes of top level hockey.
Nothing wrong with being that guy, as long as it’s in a depth role. You can’t build a team around this tier of player, no matter how much you force it.
Nothing wrong with being that guy, as long as it’s in a depth role. You can’t build a team around this tier of player, no matter how much you force it.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Not his best and worst, but we've seen his highs and lows in LA already, it's just impossible to know WHEN he's going to be on or off
When he's on, he's going to Marshawn Lynch his way into the crease and there's nothing you and 3 other dudes can do about it
When he's off, he's going to eventually arrive in the offensive zone only to wet fart a weak turnover into the center of the ice for no reason
Future 1C he's not because he has such a range of games you can't rely on him every night. but as LA's 3C? it's like a secret weapon that may or may not deploy
I guess the allure for LA is he's got size and can be a real f***ing asshole to play against, have already seen what happens when other teams poke the bear, so will be interesting when we have more heated games vs. rivals. That will be the real tell.
When he's on, he's going to Marshawn Lynch his way into the crease and there's nothing you and 3 other dudes can do about it
When he's off, he's going to eventually arrive in the offensive zone only to wet fart a weak turnover into the center of the ice for no reason
Future 1C he's not because he has such a range of games you can't rely on him every night. but as LA's 3C? it's like a secret weapon that may or may not deploy
I guess the allure for LA is he's got size and can be a real f***ing asshole to play against, have already seen what happens when other teams poke the bear, so will be interesting when we have more heated games vs. rivals. That will be the real tell.
ole ole
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Luckily The Belle province didn't want him.
Watched Lindros a whole lot in his career and as I said after the post you quoted, he is more like a poor man’s Eric Lindros. I stick with that. When PLD is “on”, that is what I see.
That would be great, but we are talking about Dubois here. Stay on topic.
CarolinaBlueJacket
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Correction: Scott Stevens was the scariest man in the league.
SeanMoneyHands
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He's about as good as his attitude.
JetsFan815
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Yep you pretty much nailed it. He has a ton of physical gifts but he doesn't have the natural talent or IQ to let him rack up points while half-assing shifts. For him to put up points he has got to be using his physical gifts to their fullest and be scratching and clawing out there for every point. When he is not going all out it shows. Most top point producing NHL players have that x factor that lets them cruise at 80% from time to time and still be putting up points, this happened on the Jets with Connor and even on the Kings with Fiala both of whom have bad games where they are not all there but end the night with 2 points. PLD doesn't have that "easy point producing" ability, when he is putting up points esp at 5v5 he has to work and go as close to a 100% as possible and scratch and claw out there which he sometimes doesn't do.
I think that is why he frustrates fans, when he going all out he looks like a top level 1C in the league, but he is either unwilling unable to do that for big chunks of the season and when he's not doing that he looks like a pretty mid 2 C.
If Kings can keep him motivated or help him find that level esp during the critical portions of the post season they'll get good value from the player.
Incredible tool set (size, skill, and skating), but he's always chafed at being where he didn't want to be at that exact moment.
In theory, he's where he'd have chosen to be, and he's being well compensated in LA on a max term deal. I think people are interested to see if that finally unlocks his peak, since he's spent a lot of his career to date seeming to give less than he has in the tank.
He has given people plenty of reason for skepticism, of course. He's now got to shut up his many detractors by raising his game to a new level. If he doesn't do it, people are going to rip him, for sure.
In theory, he's where he'd have chosen to be, and he's being well compensated in LA on a max term deal. I think people are interested to see if that finally unlocks his peak, since he's spent a lot of his career to date seeming to give less than he has in the tank.
He has given people plenty of reason for skepticism, of course. He's now got to shut up his many detractors by raising his game to a new level. If he doesn't do it, people are going to rip him, for sure.
SeanMoneyHands
Registered User
He's a fluent French speaker.
Kimota
ROY DU NORD!!!
I remember when the Habs played the Jets during the Covid year of the cup run. Dubois was so damn invinsible playing against his hometown childhood team. Literally no life, nothing. That's a shame cause he has literally all the tools to be a Neely-type power forward type. I think he is just...content. I know he hated playing under Tortorella but remember when Torto unleashed on him and Dubois scored three goals the next game? I am afraid that is what he needs, a torturer on his back all the time to whip him and get him out of his state of "live and let live" mindset. Torto was on Vinny's back in Tampa too early on and it made Vinny a better player.
biturbo19
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He's a big, very talented young center. The allure is pretty darn easy to see.
Sure, he carries some baggage and doesn't always play up to his full potential. But the allure is...when he does play to what he's capable of, he can be a gamebreaking, impact 2-way Center. Those are extremely rare and extremely coveted, and for very good reason. He just...doesn't always do that.
But players with extremely rare skillsets and ceilings are always going to get more leash and benefit of the doubt than run of the mill filler. He may never consistently get to that desired level and will develop a reputation accordingly...but even when he's "off" he's still one of the higher end Centers in the league. Still better and more valuable than most forwards.
Sure, he carries some baggage and doesn't always play up to his full potential. But the allure is...when he does play to what he's capable of, he can be a gamebreaking, impact 2-way Center. Those are extremely rare and extremely coveted, and for very good reason. He just...doesn't always do that.
But players with extremely rare skillsets and ceilings are always going to get more leash and benefit of the doubt than run of the mill filler. He may never consistently get to that desired level and will develop a reputation accordingly...but even when he's "off" he's still one of the higher end Centers in the league. Still better and more valuable than most forwards.
OKR
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Gamebreaking, impact 2-way center is being extremely generous tho.
KillerMillerTime
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He is an emotionally stunted person, simple as that. Can he change? Anything I guess is possible but not likely.
Too bad his emotional skill set is less than a quarter his physical ones are.
ole ole
Registered User
He sure is playing like that this season.
deca guard
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another player in this 'lazy' catergorie is mantha , both tall bigger body players . and like ive always speculated from watching mantha is that its not a lack of desire or intensity , but is rather a lack of strong motor . as in the big powerful heart and lungs it takes to highly energize a player . big body doesnt always mean big strong heart n lungs
surixon
Registered User
This is exactly it. He needs to be playing that power skill hybrid game to be effective. He's not skilled enough to produce playing a more perimeter finesse game. I'm sure this type of game is heavily taxing which is probably why he faded the back half each year he was on the Jets. When on he's a great player but when he's not he's invisible. There really is no in-between for him.
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TheTotalPackage
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He comes across as a million dollar talent with a two cent brain.
