Speculation: Pierre-Luc Dubois Mega thread. (LAK frontrunner, but Montreal has circled back)

[Junohockeyfan]

Suzuki’s contract is good but he signed his out of his ELC so some of the years bought were cheaper “controlled” years. Even Hughes made that differentiation publicly.

BTW, according to JFresh, Suzuki's contract is horrible!

 

[TotalHomer]

LA selling high on Vilardi. If Dubouis signs long term and stops being a little bitch this is a good deal gor them.

 

[Hodge]

Vilardi has dealt with a lot of injuries that prevented his becoming a full-time NHLer earlier than this past season. You can be concerned about the injury history but the idea that he was "not even an NHL player until this past season" is both irrelevant and and not even factually true. Who makes the NHL faster doesn't really mean much of anything as to the quality of player. But let me guess, you'd take Tyler Myers and Zach Bogosian over Roman Josi, right? At this point neither Vilardi or PLD have lived up to hype. PLD has certainly proven more at the NHL level but it's not all positive.

Vilardi's breakout season was barely better than the season PLD put up when he was a 19 year old rookie. And that was with Vilardi shooting at a completely unsustainable 19% clip. They have never been close as prospects or NHL players and they never will be.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

BTW, is this deal done? lol

 

[Mr Positive]

If this happens I think it makes the Habs look really bad. They tried hard to overthink this and get him for free

 

[Hunter368]

I just don't see PLD as ever being a 1C at this point. Too inconsistent. He has the talent to be but doesn't have the focus/headspace/professionalism to be. Again, just my opinion. He's a 2C right now. Shouldn't get paid what Horvat got.

If PLD turns into a 1C, then my opionin of him was wrong.

Personally I see PLD, Horvat and Suzuki all the same level, good 2C and not true 1C material......at least at this stage of their careers.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I always get Iafallo and Amadio mixed up

 

[Junohockeyfan]

If this happens I think it makes the Habs look really bad. They tried hard to overthink this and get him for free

IFt his deal happens, what did the Habs have to offer to counter this? They weren't trading Dach or the 5OA.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Why any team would go out their way and spend high end valuable assets and lots of cap space on Dubois and try to build around him, is beyond me.

Montreal dodged a meteor here

 

[BatVader]

If The Maestro has a hand in this trade then the Jets are truly f***ed. Probably sending Hellebuyk along with PLD

Maestro…lol… guy was a lousy GM

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I hope Spence is involved... i wanna see what hes got being a NHL regular... and in Winnipeg, im sure he would be a regular

 

[Atoyot]

By god that's Todd McClellan's music

Honestly playing around Kopitar and Danault will probably help. Regardless of how poorly he played defensively here he was never as bad as Scheifele. The new measuring sticks alone could do the trick.

 

[sting101]

As an outsider

Habs fans not wanting to give a top end piece are being greedy. PLD Suzuki is a duo that would give them an instant chance to turn things into a winning situation rather quickly. Feel like the posters thinking stay the course and not wanting to surrender something substantial are missing the boat if Dubois would be happy as a Hab

For LA getting Dubois puts them in the Knights territory in terms of roster strength. Dubois could be polarizing though. It will be interesting to see how that massive ego handles the spotlight of LA and off ice distrations. His track record sucks that's for sure

For Wpg getting Vilardi comes with some risk but he's a helluva player when healthy and would be a nice piece towards retooling that team with good people vs the shitty leadership of Wheeler Scheifele and Dubois. Do wonder if he can transition back to C in the future also.

Bring the noise lets see some deals...

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Personally I see PLD, Horvat and Suzuki all the same level, good 2C and not true 1C material......at least at this stage of their careers.

I think that's a fair thing to say. Regarding Suzuki though, he's shown progression in every NHL season to date. I think that continues as the team gets stronger. He hasn't given a reason to believe he has topped out.

Regarding PLD and Horvat, i think they are what they are.

 

[staveNsteel]

As a Habs fan, I don't want PLD.. not that I don't think he's a good player, because he is.. but kind of like Drouin, he seems to have some entitlement issues. Plus I'm happy with Suzuki and Dach up the middle through the rebuild, with (ideally I want Michkov) the possiblity of adding Smith, Dvorsky etc up the middle.

Why give up assets for PLD and pay him big, when the team won't be playoff relevant for say 3-4 years.

 

[Hodge]

Why any team would go out their way and spend high end valuable assets and lots of cap space on Dubois and try to build around him, is beyond me.

Montreal dodged a meteor here

Vilardi and Iafallo are "high end valuable assets" now? Vilardi was a waiver wire candidate not even 9 months ago and the Kings would be hard pressed to dump Iafallo's contract for more than a 3rd round pick.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Personally I see PLD, Horvat and Suzuki all the same level, good 2C and not true 1C material......at least at this stage of their careers.

PLD and Suzuki surely have 1C potential in them. They haven’t even entered their prime years.

 

[frederixx]

Danault did all the heavy lifting in that run while they also had an elite goalie and significantly better defense than they do now. They were still seen as by far the weakest and flukiest team to make the finals in the last 20 years.

Suzuki and Dach as the top two centers won't get anywhere near a cup

Are you talking about the same Danault that had 4pts in 22 playoffs games? I like Danault, but he played more like a good 4th line checker that spring.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

This is true. He just turned 25, that means he'll be at least 35 before Montreal is back in the playoffs...

Glass houses…they’ll probably be back before the Jets. I imagine some pretty dark years in Winnipeg are coming.

Vilardi and Iafallo are "high end valuable assets" now? Vilardi was a waiver wire candidate not even 9 months ago and the Kings would be hard pressed to dump Iafallo's contract for more than a 3rd round pick.

I thought King fans were really high on GV? Would there not be draft capital likely going back too..?

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

LA selling high on Vilardi. If Dubouis signs long term and stops being a little bitch this is a good deal gor them.

What makes you believe he will stop being a little bitch? He'd be going to LA too, that place inflates a fool's ego even more.

 

[Mr Positive]

IFt his deal happens, what did the Habs have to offer to counter this? They weren't trading Dach or the 5OA.

There must have been chances to add him over the years. It definitely seemed close at the draft last year. I'm being a bit unfair of course but it really seems like Montreal has been trying to low ball teams with the assumption that PLD wants to be a Hab. He probably does want to be a Hab btw, but he's also an adult.

 

[Go Wings]

0.9 points per game isn't 1C production? Dubois is 6'4", a great finisher, an underrated playmaker and he just turned 25 a few days ago so there's still some development runway left. Apart from Eichel and Tavares, which centers of Dubois' quality or higher have changed teams in recent years?

Literally 35 year old Kopitar outscored him last year.
PLD has never gotten above 28 goals and 63 points. That isn't a number 1 center. You can keep trying to convince everyone he is but nothing PLD has done in the NHL has shown that. Sure he shows glimpses of it but he isn't consistent and again he is lazy.
I don't care how big he is McDavid and Draisaitil will go around him.
Centers don't change teams much what is your point?

LA did need to make a trade but you got the wrong player from Winnipeg. You have traded for Hellerybuck.

 

[William H Bonney]

Vilardi's breakout season was barely better than the season PLD put up when he was a 19 year old rookie. And that was with Vilardi shooting at a completely unsustainable 19% clip. They have never been close as prospects or NHL players and they never will be.

Where did I say they were or would be?

PLD also isn't a #1 center but you're clearly a big fan.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Literally 35 year old Kopitar outscored him last year.
PLD has never gotten above 28 goals and 63 points. That isn't a number 1 center. You can keep trying to convince everyone he is but nothing PLD has done in the NHL has shown that. Sure he shows glimpses of it but he isn't consistent and again he is lazy.
I don't care how big he is McDavid and Draisaitil will go around him.
Centers don't change teams much what is your point?

LA did need to make a trade but you got the wrong player from Winnipeg. You have traded for Hellerybuck.

Kopitar/PLD/Danault is super valid down the middle, Kopitar and Danault are selke worthy and PLD is no slouch. No team can match Edmonton's firepower, but LA has shown they are able to shut them down before.

 

[kinghock]

I think Stanley could be a throw in here on the Jets side. I'd want futures over Moore though

I do not think you will get futures over Moore from Kings.

Your team has problem retaining players and Moore has 4 years reasonable contract.

Both Iafallo and Moore has value and not a negative asset.

I do not believe you will get better offer from LA.