Speculation: Pierre-Luc Dubois Mega thread. (LAK frontrunner, but Montreal has circled back)

[Naslundforever]

Those garbage offers were going on since last offseason.

The “for free” and ”Dvorak, Kidney and Florida 1st” will forever be a meme on these forums.

Well to be fair much of the fan base on hab board just figured wait it out one year and sign him for free, even if most see plenty of holes in the line up for him.

 

[KingsOfThe805]

What would the ask be for Trevor Moore to the wings in a trade to clear up cap? Always liked him as a player

Yes.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Personally I think PLD is mistake for Kings. He is never going to be more then 60-70 pt C who isn't all that great at faceoffs or any other facet of game

Giving up Vilardi is a mistake IMO

He is really coming together as player and is only 23

I think Vilardi could be a PPG 1st line winger for years to come who could be 35-40 goal scorer

PLD was doing well in the dot in the playoffs.

 

[Guffman]

Pitching garbage deals was kind of entertaining though from my end. (can't speak for Habs fans). It was fun to gain the Jets fans ire with them!

Realistically though, i knew the garbage offers wouldn't stick. Too many other teams would offer more even if it was for 1 year. I was wrong though - i thought he would go to the Avs. Can't believe the Avs gambled on a hobbled RyJo.

I do think Chevy comes out of this unscathed. Kinda happy for him.

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that is what is called “trolling”. Honestly, that is why I gave Hab fans a hard time over these fake pitches.

 

[bmr]

Personally I think PLD is mistake for Kings. He is never going to be more then 60-70 pt C who isn't all that great at faceoffs or any other facet of game

Giving up Vilardi is a mistake IMO

He is really coming together as player and is only 23

I think Vilardi could be a PPG 1st line winger for years to come who could be 35-40 goal scorer

Completely agree. Any trade involving Vilardi is idiotic IMHO.

 

[Rob Sense]

Well, chances are you aren't getting a C at 5.

So that means either a C you draft at 31 OR someone you draft next year will be making a difference as either a 20 or 21 year old player in the league.

Can you point a few of those guys out? Guys who were drafted in 2020 at 31 or higher OR a high pick in 2021 that are carrying the mail at 2C for a contending team?

If not, it's because your statement that someone who is drafted this year will be a difference maker in 3 years is actually the ridiculous take

This is not the final NHL draft ever! We will probably be in the bottom 8 again next year and the next... Also...the NHL is implementing a new initiative this year...it is called "player trades" and it is way where some teams can acquire other team's players in exchange for players or picks. It is a novel concept!

 

[Mrfenn92]

A trade between Winnepeg and Lak so why are the habs on this thread

 

[FSL KINGS]

Personally, I think PLD is mistake for Kings. He is never going to be more then 60-70 pt C who isn't all that great at faceoffs or any other facet of game

Giving up Vilardi is a mistake IMO

He is really coming together as player and is only 23

I think Vilardi could be a PPG 1st line winger for years to come who could be 35-40 goal scorer

King's can't afford that cap hit & have too much money on the wings right now.

 

[Naslundforever]

If we were going to get him it was for free yes that was the plan all along its not hard to comprehend . It was always for free or just not getting the guy

I’m one of the most perceivably on board with his joining the habs and still I would not give anything but salary and whoever’r’s spot he’d be taking in return.

 

[Atoyot]

Kings fans who are saying they don't want to trade Vilardi for Dubois are in for a treat. Dubois is an absolute monster when he's healthy.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Well, chances are you aren't getting a C at 5.

So that means either a C you draft at 31 OR someone you draft next year will be making a difference as either a 20 or 21 year old player in the league.

Can you point a few of those guys out? Guys who were drafted in 2020 at 31 or higher OR a high pick in 2021 that are carrying the mail at 2C for a contending team?

If not, it's because your statement that someone who is drafted this year will be a difference maker in 3 years is actually the ridiculous take

Last i checked, Habs traded for a big, young C in Dach who made great strides last season and is set to be the Habs 2C of the future. They have the answers from within. And they can double down at 5 if Smith is available (or even Leonard who can play C).

The point is - PLD at 9M AAV as reported would have been a huge mistake. And giving up a potential C in Dach who is on a team friendly contract in the process would have exacerbated this mistake.

The question now is - what are the Jets going to do for a 2C? Perfetti ain't it and apparently Viliardi is not a C.

 

[Naslundforever]

A trade between Winnepeg and Lak so why are the habs on this thread

You would not understand, it relates to hockey.

 

[Rob Sense]

Isn't the entire point of a rebuild to get lucky enough to draft a player like Dubois? Obviously if the Jets were asking for Suzuki, Caufield, the 5th overall pick or Slafkovsky that would make no sense for the Habs. But a late 1st rounder and Dach, who sucked until last year? You absolutely exchange those pieces for Dubois, lock him up through his prime and keep building. Habs wouldn't have become a contender or even playoff team overnight but they would be a lot closer.

You should send your CV to the 32 NHL teams as an elite GM candidate!

 

[Baksfamous112]

Seems like a weird move for LA to make, but they must really like Dubois.

Not every day you can acquiring a big, gritty and skilled #1 Center who just turned 25 and already shown he can produce in the playoff.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that is what is called “trolling”. Honestly, that is why I gave Hab fans a hard time over these fake pitches.

Habs want to add to Dach, not trade him away.

31st, Dvorak, Anderson, fairly decent prospects is what the Habs can part with at this point.

It's not that's what PLD's value is, or the old " he's not that good until he's dealt then your team is dumb for trading him" Habs just can't trade a lot of value.

Adding him to the team wouldn't make them significantly better. It would push them up from an 7th-11th finish to maybe a 9th-13th finish.

Cap hit at 9 mill just isn't that good, either.

Now, if he changed his mind and got like 7 that's really good and sucks the Habs missed on that.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that is what is called “trolling”. Honestly, that is why I gave Hab fans a hard time over these fake pitches.

Why do you take things too heart. You had to know that Ryder + Halak + 2nd was not a serious offer. I think the majority of Habs fans were basically saying "Habs are not in a position to give serious assets for a guy that we don't need as of yet". Habs have options from within.

Its shocking that people forget that the Habs gave up Romanov ++ to get their big talented 2C of the future. Then a year later Dach made great progress. So why change things?

This draft will be about drafting BPA. Whether its Michkov (my hope) or Smith or Leonard.

 

[Superlative Soup]

Don’t care Habs will get him for free in 9 years

 

[Mrfenn92]

You would not understand, it relates to hockey.

 

[howkie]

Personally, I think PLD is mistake for Kings. He is never going to be more then 60-70 pt C who isn't all that great at faceoffs or any other facet of game

Giving up Vilardi is a mistake IMO

He is really coming together as player and is only 23

I think Vilardi could be a PPG 1st line winger for years to come who could be 35-40 goal scorer

PLD is 1 year older..

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Watch the backpedaling about t happen... "we didnt want him anyways" incoming x1000

A lot of us didn't actually. He would have ruined our cap structure, and he's already quit on two different teams.

Certainly didn't want to give up any assets for him at the start of a rebuild.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Don’t care Habs will get him for free in 9 years

That's usually how it goes.

Or once he retires.

Briere at the end.

Lecavalier and St. Louis after they retired.

Crest la vie.

 

[Rob Sense]

A trade between Winnepeg and Lak so why are the habs on this thread

Posters have brought up Mtl since the first page...we never back down from a good discussion. Especially one where we can slap back ridiculous comments.

 

[FlameChampion]

I think this one is going to backfire for the Kings. Granted I don’t think much of PLD.

 

[hn777]

The question now is - what are the Jets going to do for a 2C? Perfetti ain't it and apparently Viliardi is not a C.

IMO, Perfetti will be a future top-6 C. Jets also have McGroarty, Lucius, Lambert, Wagner etc. for the future.

 

[Hodge]

Last i checked, Habs traded for a big, young C in Dach who made great strides last season and is set to be the Habs 2C of the future. They have the answers from within. And they can double down at 5 if Smith is available (or even Leonard who can play C).

The point is - PLD at 9M AAV as reported would have been a huge mistake. And giving up a potential C in Dach who is on a team friendly contract in the process would have exacerbated this mistake.

The question now is - what are the Jets going to do for a 2C? Perfetti ain't it and apparently Viliardi is not a C.

At Dach's age PLD had scored 32 more goals and 61 more points in about the same number of games and he's only gotten better since. In Dach's "breakout" season he was barely more productive than PLD's rookie year despite playing in a much higher scoring league. Chances Dach will ever be as good as PLD is right now have to be less than 5%, maybe lower.