Speculation: Pierre-Luc Dubois Mega thread. (LAK frontrunner, but Montreal has circled back)

[Thechozen1]

Turning Laine + Roslovic into PLD into a 40 point center and a cap dump

Boo hoo! Your butt hurt is showing! Even as a cap dump, Iafallo is still plenty more useful than Dvorak.

Nobody in Winnipeg is lamenting the loss of Roslovic either so using him to rub salt in some non existent would is pointless.

Nice try though. Find some other francophone star to pine after until he rejects you too.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

The media is a tool to be used as leverage in these situations. Sounds like PLD and his agent are going to achieve their exact desired outcome, a long-term contract in a place he wants to play. I'm not sure why they should give a shit about hurting Jets fans' feelings.

Well that's one way to look at it. But it talks alot about the character of the player. A guy who dumped on 2 teams (even though they are undesirables) and made it vocal. Not a good example to set.

 

[Rob Sense]

When and if it gets over the finish line I will be so happy I don't have to read Canadien proposals including Dvorak, Armia, and a couple Day 2 picks.

you are incorrect...it was always Ryder, Halak and a 2nd!

 

[BatVader]

He wont be.

I do hope Turcotte or even Hughes is included. It would be funny for the Jets to hold the rights of the kid of the Montreal GM.

I’d take Spence over Turcotte… but completely agree about Hughes

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Are we really going to pretend that Habs fans weren't acting like they were gunna get Dubois for free?? That's hilarious.

Some were no doubt, but a lot didn't want to pay anything to get him and when the ask came out he wanted around 9 mill that turned a bunch of the ones that thought the Habs would get him for free off.

Mostly definitely some did and it's not like PLD is a scrub, but for the Habs to pay good assets and then spend that money to be somewhat better, but still suck isn't worth it.

Just like Huberdeau. Some thought he might sign in Montreal this off season, but he got 10.5 million reasons not to and that's fine by me.

Pagnotta sucks, but I believe LA is one of the teams he actually gets things right.

Good for Winnipeg as Vilardi could he a good player for them. LA held onto him, built his value up and then dealt him. Smart.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Anyone they draft this season will be 6 years younger than Suzuki. They likely won't even enter their prime until he's pushing 30

If the Habs want to contend with a core built around him, they're better off acquiring PLD than kids in the next few drafts

PLD, a 2C, won't change anything for the Habs and at the reported 9M AAV would have crippled the Habs ability to compete longterm.

Habs are evaluating the likes of Dach as you know who made great strides last season. Any other potential C is likely 3 years away from being a difference maker. 6 years is a ridiculous statement.

 

[Hodge]

Many fans did not want him if it meant giving up assets in an obvious rebuilding mode. If you don't believe me then go the the Habs forum and look at the polls on this. There are over 300 pages of back and forth on the reason for and against Dubois. Don't generalize on a few vocal fanboys.

You know Dubois turned 25 on Friday right? We're not talking about some washed up 30 year old. Habs had a chance to add a legitimate star who fits the Suzuki/Caufield timeline and blew it. If all it would have cost is 31 + Dach, Habs will regret this for a long time.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I'm gonna be sick.

 

[Frank Drebin]

You know Dubois turned 25 on Friday right? We're not talking about some washed up 30 year old. Habs had a chance to add a legitimate star who fits the Suzuki/Caufield timeline and blew it. If all it would have cost is 31 + Dach, Habs will regret this for a long time.

Lol not quite

 

[Buffdog]

I am probably one of the few Kings fans that would welcome PLD but I am hoping if it happens somehow Dillon is included w 50% retention


Take away the worry about the players character and what are we left with.

A 6’4 225 lb top 6 center that just turned 25. He is a former 3 overall pick and has 300 nhl points in just over 400 games. Half of those playing for a crappy Columbus team and the others playing in Winnipeg.

Yes his career high is 63 points, but that was in 73 games and that happened last year.

He has been in the NHL since he was 18 and outscored Byfield by 100 points by the same age.

He does play with an edge, and even crosses the line sometimes. Unfortunately he rarely rights but has fought Sidthe kid, and McAvoy in the past so at least the gloves are not glued on.

The guy should pot 30 a year and also plays wing. Think Jeff Carter 2nd line production during the cup run. That guy came with all sort of alleged on and off ice problems as well.

Negatives

- possible massive contract.
- alleged attitude problems
- loss of a good player to get him.
- under 50% on the draw
- not a big hitter

Positives

- 30 goal, 70 point center/ winger
- big body, good skater
- strength up the middle.
- good two way game.


Overall.

- makes the team better at a heavy cost both financially and with the perceived asking price. Balances the top 9 allowing Byfield the opportunity to stay 1LW and pushing Danault to elite 3C status.

- to me this comes down to 1 thing and it’s not the loss of Vilardi (who ai really like), or alleged attitude problems.

It’s all about cap. Do we gamble the cap will skyrocket as soon as next year? If there’s a play at all where we can land Matthews to replace Kopitar long-term, I don’t do anything to mess with that. Currently his offensive contributions would be awesome but at what cost? Would we have to move Arvidsson and his 60 points out in another trade to help make room just so we can sign a goalie? A move this massive would have to be followed up by other cost cutting moves just to get through this following year.

And on a sidenote, out of all of this, my main question is, how much is Vilardi actually asking for and could that be part of Blake’s reason to want to move him?

Jets are thin on RHD prospects. Would you include Spence for Dillon at 50%?

 

[Guffman]

Watch the backpedaling about t happen... "we didnt want him anyways" incoming x1000

Yep, seeing the damage control already LMAO!

 

[Junohockeyfan]

But it's not. Those are all IF's. If he wants 9m, if he wants out in 2 years, if he couldn't reach his potential. The truth is Montreal are way behind all the upcoming teams in the east and Dubois would have been their best player last season PPG. He's also a big centerman that really wanted to join them and is Quebecois?

Dubois wouldn't have changed the Habs situation. If he was on the Habs last season he would have had less PPG behind 2C with no established wingers. All the Ifs with PLD are the reason why the Habs should stay far away. Its not a value bet.

The fact he is Quebecois should be irrelevant. If a requirement is to have a Quebec star player then the Habs would be a non-competitive team compared to the others because of this disability.

 

[BKarchitect]

The Kings got rid of Durzi and Walker at RHD to clear a path for Spence. They ain’t throwing him into this deal. Wishful thinking.

Vilardi would be a nice asset back as a centerpiece. He’s not PLD but he’s good and I’d argue with Vilardi+Iafallo the Jets won’t be losing all that much in the short term.

 

[Flair Hay]

The media is a tool to be used as leverage in these situations. Sounds like PLD and his agent are going to achieve their exact desired outcome, a long-term contract in a place he wants to play. I'm not sure why they should give a shit about hurting Jets fans' feelings.

It's not the first time and won't be the last time we had to deal with this in some way. Already had Kane and Trouba go through the same motions in their own unique situations.

 

[Seachd]

Seems like a weird move for LA to make, but they must really like Dubois.

 

[Crede777]

I get why both teams are doing this but LA needs to kick Dubois's ass into gear and keep it there. If he's allowed to coast and just focus on nightlife he will unfortunately become Mike Richards 2.0.

I hope Blake and company can avoid that and get the best out of Dubois. I think they can, but it's not a given.

 

[Hodge]

Lol not quite

Yeah, who would want to turn Ben Chiarot and Alexander Romanov into a 1C in his prime. It's much smarter to spin your wheels indefinitely and become Canucks East.

 

[Heldig]

Thanks. Still not sure what Winnipeg's plans at center would be if this deal comes together as reported:

LW​	C​	RW​
Connor​	???​	Ehlers​
Perfetti​	???​	Niederreiter​
Iafollo​	Lowry​	Vilardi​
Barron​	Gustafsson​	Appleton​

Vilardi will be top 2 lines for sure. RW to Perfetti possibly.

 

[Rob Sense]

You know Dubois turned 25 on Friday right? We're not talking about some washed up 30 year old. Habs had a chance to add a legitimate star who fits the Suzuki/Caufield timeline and blew it. If all it would have cost is 31 + Dach, Habs will regret this for a long time.

Read what i said and then go read the forums. I did not mention anything about Dubois'age. we are in full rebuild mode and they need more than a 2C to become contenders!

 

[KingsHockey24]

I'm gonna be sick.

It's okay. You would've been sick when Vilardo gets injured again and has to be out 4 months.

 

[Buffdog]

PLD, a 2C, won't change anything for the Habs and at the reported 9M AAV would have crippled the Habs ability to compete longterm.

Habs are evaluating the likes of Dach as you know who made great strides last season. Any other potential C is likely 3 years away from being a difference maker. 6 years is a ridiculous statement.

Well, chances are you aren't getting a C at 5.

So that means either a C you draft at 31 OR someone you draft next year will be making a difference as either a 20 or 21 year old player in the league.

Can you point a few of those guys out? Guys who were drafted in 2020 at 31 or higher OR a high pick in 2021 that are carrying the mail at 2C for a contending team?

If not, it's because your statement that someone who is drafted this year will be a difference maker in 3 years is actually the ridiculous take

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Personally, I think PLD is mistake for Kings. He is never going to be more then 60-70 pt C who isn't all that great at faceoffs or any other facet of game

Giving up Vilardi is a mistake IMO

He is really coming together as player and is only 23

I think Vilardi could be a PPG 1st line winger for years to come who could be 35-40 goal scorer

 

[Junohockeyfan]

You know Dubois turned 25 on Friday right? We're not talking about some washed up 30 year old. Habs had a chance to add a legitimate star who fits the Suzuki/Caufield timeline and blew it. If all it would have cost is 31 + Dach, Habs will regret this for a long time.

31 + Dach + an overpayment of a contract? Yeah, Habs blew it! LOL

Its shocking that you are unaware there is a cap system in the NHL. I believe Dach will be the better player when all is said and done based on the strides he made last season. I think he will break out as a 2C this season, whilst on a team friendly contract.

 

[EquivalentStay]

Well, chances are you aren't getting a C at 5.

So that means either a C you draft at 31 OR someone you draft next year will be making a difference as either a 20 or 21 year old player in the league.

Can you point a few of those guys out? Guys who were drafted in 2020 at 31 or higher OR a high pick in 2021 that are carrying the mail at 2C for a contending team?

If not, it's because your statement that someone who is drafted this year will be a difference maker in 3 years is actually the ridiculous take

Keep in mind Habs fans have said 5OA this year would be 1OA in most drafts in the last 20 years. Imagine that.

 

[Hodge]

Read what i said and then go read the forums. I did not mention anything about Dubois'age. we are in full rebuild mode and they need more than a 2C to become contenders!

Isn't the entire point of a rebuild to get lucky enough to draft a player like Dubois? Obviously if the Jets were asking for Suzuki, Caufield, the 5th overall pick or Slafkovsky that would make no sense for the Habs. But a late 1st rounder and Dach, who sucked until last year? You absolutely exchange those pieces for Dubois, lock him up through his prime and keep building. Habs wouldn't have become a contender or even playoff team overnight but they would be a lot closer.