Speculation: Pierre-Luc Dubois Mega thread. (LAK frontrunner, but Montreal has circled back)

[Royale With Cheese]

Quinton Byfield - Anze Kopitar - Adrian Kempe
Kevin Fiala - Pierre Luc Dubois - Viktor Arvidsson
Arthur Kaliyev - Philip Danault - Ramus Kupari
Trevor Moore - Blake Lizotte - Alex Turcotte
*Carl Grundstrom, Jaret Anderson-Dolan

That is good centre depth right there. Get a goalie and Kings are solid.

 

[OVO16]

Posted this in the other thread but something like:

Byfield-Kopitar-Kempe
Fiala-Dubois-Kaliyev
Moore-Danault-Kupari
JAD-Lizotte-Grundstrom

I think they look absolutely stacked and I hate the Kings. Plus their top four on defense is great too. Big question mark is the goaltending but when Adin Hill can get hot and win a Cup I don't blame them for investing all their cap into forwards and defensemen.

Where's arviddson?

 

[BLNY]

Makes sense to me. PLD doesn't fit Montreal's timeline and I felt the Monahan deal was kind of Montreal saying they were out on PLD, and were planning to give Monahan top minutes to reestablish his value for a deadline deal.

Agreed. The only way it would work is if Dvo was moved too.

 

[sansabri]

Don't understand why LA would do this, but I'd rather it not be us paying a premium for a 2C

 

[hn777]

We tried him at center and it just didn't work.

He's a 2nd line RW'er.

which is exactly what the Jets need with Wheeler potentially gone

 

[malcb33]

His fate was sealed once LA brought Bergevin on board

That was always going to be the case with or without Bergevin.

Danault isn't good enough offensively to carry a second line. He's a good player, but he's not a 2C on a (traditionally structured) team who wants to compete for the cup IMO.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Posted this in the other thread but something like:

Byfield-Kopitar-Kempe
Fiala-Dubois-Kaliyev
Moore-Danault-Kupari
JAD-Lizotte-Grundstrom

I think they look absolutely stacked and I hate the Kings. Plus their top four on defense is great too. Big question mark is the goaltending but when Adin Hill can get hot and win a Cup I don't blame them for investing all their cap into forwards and defensemen.

Did Viktor Arvidsson die or?..

 

[Hodge]

Whatever you want to tell yourself to justify the overpayment that is about to happen, followed by the years of disappointment and indifferent play. Be prepared for PLD to Habs at 50% caphit threads in a few years. lol

I'm a Sharks fan so I hope that happens but it almost certainly won't. He has asked out of the two least desirable markets in the NHL, he's not going to demand to leave Los Angeles especially after signing an 8 year contract to play there.

 

[MardyBum]

Hopefully gets done, would be nice to get back a young roster player instead of pure futures. Taking back cap in the form of NHLers will also help them try and make the playoffs, hopefully avoid the guys who actually like being here wanting out too.

 

[Hodge]

Did Viktor Arvidsson die or?..

How do they keep Arvidsson while signing Dubois for $9M? The math barely works without him.

 

[Flair Hay]

Lmao

Does he? I look at LA lineup and it doesn’t strike me as a team that will be a serious contender, especially with Doughty and Kopitar on the way out at some point.

It’s quite astonishing how many misses LA got at drafting.

They were a pretty great team down the stretch. Not favourites or anything but they have been close but no cigar with EDM. I'd say they are T-3rd for best in West wIth DAL AND COL

 

[funky]

I am probably one of the few Kings fans that would welcome PLD but I am hoping if it happens somehow Dillon is included w 50% retention


Take away the worry about the players character and what are we left with.

A 6’4 225 lb top 6 center that just turned 25. He is a former 3 overall pick and has 300 nhl points in just over 400 games. Half of those playing for a crappy Columbus team and the others playing in Winnipeg.

Yes his career high is 63 points, but that was in 73 games and that happened last year.

He has been in the NHL since he was 18 and outscored Byfield by 100 points by the same age.

He does play with an edge, and even crosses the line sometimes. Unfortunately he rarely rights but has fought Sidthe kid, and McAvoy in the past so at least the gloves are not glued on.

The guy should pot 30 a year and also plays wing. Think Jeff Carter 2nd line production during the cup run. That guy came with all sort of alleged on and off ice problems as well.

Negatives

- possible massive contract.
- alleged attitude problems
- loss of a good player to get him.
- under 50% on the draw
- not a big hitter

Positives

- 30 goal, 70 point center/ winger
- big body, good skater
- strength up the middle.
- good two way game.


Overall.

- makes the team better at a heavy cost both financially and with the perceived asking price. Balances the top 9 allowing Byfield the opportunity to stay 1LW and pushing Danault to elite 3C status.

- to me this comes down to 1 thing and it’s not the loss of Vilardi (who ai really like), or alleged attitude problems.

It’s all about cap. Do we gamble the cap will skyrocket as soon as next year? If there’s a play at all where we can land Matthews to replace Kopitar long-term, I don’t do anything to mess with that. Currently his offensive contributions would be awesome but at what cost? Would we have to move Arvidsson and his 60 points out in another trade to help make room just so we can sign a goalie? A move this massive would have to be followed up by other cost cutting moves just to get through this following year.

And on a sidenote, out of all of this, my main question is, how much is Vilardi actually asking for and could that be part of Blake’s reason to want to move him?

 

[CupofOil]

That would be amazing.for the Jets. The Kings are targeting the wrong sign and trade from Winnipeg.

 

[KingsHockey24]

How do they keep Arvidsson while signing Dubois for $9M? The math barely works without him.

We have 9 million in cap space currently; if true and Iafallo is part of the deal that gives us 13M.

 

[BatVader]

Where's arviddson?

In Winnipeg as part of the package deal

 

[quietbruinfan]

Very good deal for the Jets if true. PLD is overrated because he has tools. The Kings' players are young and solid.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I'm a Sharks fan so I hope that happens but it almost certainly won't. He has asked out of the two least desirable markets in the NHL, he's not going to demand to leave Los Angeles especially after signing an 8 year contract to play there.

I would put SJ and Arizona in there as undesirable. That said, name me another player that asked out of 2 markets before he turned 23 years old? If that's not a red flag, i don't know what is.

Then you put him in the hotstove that is Montreal? That's a huge risk. Drouin had mental health issues due to the french media and pressure. PLD strikes me as not very mentally strong and selfish. To declare (via his agent) you want to play in Montreal whilst a Jet? That ain't right. That was a dick move. Don't blame Jets fans bitterness with the entire ordeal.

But to me, Habs were smart to avoid this drama and to stick to the rebuild. Check my posts, i have been consistent about my feelings for PLD from the start. Proud of Hughes for not caving to the stupidity.

 

[Hodge]

Where's arviddson?

They'll need to dump him (and Iafallo who's presumably included in this deal) unless they want to run a goaltending tandem of Copley and Portillo.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Lol in the fakest season of all time. I don't see how you pass up on acquiring a Quebecois 1C who perfectly fits into the Suzuki/Caufield age group and desperately wants to play for you but hey as long as the fans are convinced.

Because after acquiring Dach PLD became a luxury and the pieces needed to get him out of Winnipeg were pieces we couldn’t afford to lose (Barron). Also, his 9M ask was not going to work out in Montreal.

PLD would have been nice to watch in a Habs jersey but the cost acquisition was too high for us fans and apparently Hughes as well.

 

[Rob Sense]

Watch the backpedaling about t happen... "we didnt want him anyways" incoming x1000

Many fans did not want him if it meant giving up assets in an obvious rebuilding mode. If you don't believe me then go the the Habs forum and look at the polls on this. There are over 300 pages of back and forth on the reason for and against Dubois. Don't generalize on a few vocal fanboys.

 

[Njfj]

The good news is it will end the PLD to Montreal banter

Like he’s never requested a trade before.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

He's a year older than Suzuki

Suzuki and PLD up the middle for 17 million+ during their 26-32 seasons get you what exactly with that lineup? Still have another 2 years and drafts imo to clean house and find core players. The only Dman you can really say will be there in 3 years is Kaiden Guhle for example, everyone else on the backend is a question mark.

 

[BatVader]

I am probably one of the few Kings fans that would welcome PLD but I am hoping if it happens somehow Dillon is included w 50% retention


Take away the worry about the players character and what are we left with.

A 6’4 225 lb top 6 center that just turned 25. He is a former 3 overall pick and has 300 nhl points in just over 400 games. Half of those playing for a crappy Columbus team and the others playing in Winnipeg.

Yes his career high is 63 points, but that was in 73 games and that happened last year.

He has been in the NHL since he was 18 and outscored Byfield by 100 points by the same age.

He does play with an edge, and even crosses the line sometimes. Unfortunately he rarely rights but has fought Sidthe kid, and McAvoy in the past so at least the gloves are not glued on.

The guy should pot 30 a year and also plays wing. Think Jeff Carter 2nd line production during the cup run. That guy came with all sort of alleged on and off ice problems as well.

Negatives

- possible massive contract.
- alleged attitude problems
- loss of a good player to get him.
- under 50% on the draw
- not a big hitter

Positives

- 30 goal, 70 point center/ winger
- big body, good skater
- strength up the middle.
- good two way game.


Overall.

- makes the team better at a heavy cost both financially and with the perceived asking price. Balances the top 9 allowing Byfield the opportunity to stay 1LW and pushing Danault to elite 3C status.

- to me this comes down to 1 thing and it’s not the loss of Vilardi (who ai really like), or alleged attitude problems.

It’s all about cap. Do we gamble the cap will skyrocket as soon as next year? If there’s a play at all where we can land Matthews to replace Kopitar long-term, I don’t do anything to mess with that. Currently his offensive contributions would be awesome but at what cost? Would we have to move Arvidsson and his 60 points out in another trade to help make room just so we can sign a goalie? A move this massive would have to be followed up by other cost cutting moves just to get through this following year.

And on a sidenote, out of all of this, my main question is, how much is Vilardi actually asking for and could that be part of Blake’s reason to want to move him?

What are you willing to pay for extended PLD and retained Dillon?

 

[kilowatt]

As a Sharks fan I wish Rob Blake was deluded enough to think he can build a long term Cup contender around Byfield, Vilardi, Kaliyev, Kupari, Clarke etc. I would keep Byfield and Clarke unless a true superstar was on the table but everyone else should be seen as a trade asset.

Fans don't seem to understand that the point of a rebuild isn't necessarily to build your team through the draft. It's to accumulate pick and prospect capital that you can use as cash in hand to acquire established impact players. LA was patient in building up their war chest and are now parlaying their surplus of young centers and right shot defensemen into proven stars like Fiala and Dubois who they can lock up through their prime years at a fair price. Not too different from what Vegas has done.

You’re not wrong but not everyone is deluded. I’d even have Byfield and Clarke available for the right offers. No one is off limits. But I do think it sucks that in the end, we might not have a single home grown guy that we drafted from our shitty 2017-2021 years. LA drafted four centers with first round picks and then signed Danault and are now apparently trading for PLD… oops. That’s some terrible asset development. We’ve been so spoiled with Kopitar and Doughty that we were excited to see the next wave of home grown talent thrive as well.

 

[SSCBLUEJET]

Whatever makes you happy.

Oh this trade makes me very happy indeed.
Nice rebuttal tho.