Value of: Pick #13. BUF looking for top 4 RD

[Rebels57]

Ristolainen for 13th overall?

 

[Zman5778]

13 OA pick in a strong draft for 1 season of Roy, who turns 29?
That won't cut it. If I am Buffalo, Durzi is the choice. He fits the age of the group and there is control after his deal.

With Clarke ready to go and with Roy, Walker, and Grans in the pipeline - if the Kings want a very good pick in this draft - I think Durzi is the price, especially if you look at the Romanov and Hronek deals. If Durzi is a deal breaker, then that's fine - Buffalo looks elsewhere and/or keeps the pick.

Buffalo doesn't need a guy that plays the way Durzi does. Buffalo DOES need a guy that plays the way Roy does. And we are most certainly in a position to slightly overpay for a guy that plays the way we want/need.

 

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Buffalo doesn't need a guy that plays the way Durzi does. Buffalo DOES need a guy that plays the way Roy does. And we are most certainly in a position to slightly overpay for a guy that plays the way we want/need.

K so trade for Pesce. He’s 4 months older but also better

 

[UnSandvich]

I'm curious what the offer for Braden Schneider would be. He's a bit blocked with the Rangers right now, and while i don't see them moving him, I also don't think he's untouchable.

 

[Zman5778]

K so trade for Pesce. He’s 4 months older but also better

Yes, please. 13, Rosen and Olofsson @50%?

 

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Yes, please. 13, Rosen and Olofsson @50%?

Tell me about this Rosen character

I'm curious what the offer for Braden Schneider would be. He's a bit blocked with the Rangers right now, and while i don't see them moving him, I also don't think he's untouchable.

Doubt the Rangers trade him but you could prob offer sheet him in a year. They are in cap hell and a bunch guys (including Schneider) need sizeable raises.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Tell me about this Rosen character

Has had a good rookie season in the AHL. still needs some time in the cooker, super skilled and a decent defensive winger.

But needs to keep building his frame and from what I’ve seen ( @Chainshot watches a lot more than me so he can add) he needs to be more engaged in going for 50/50 pucks and battles.

I think he’d be a high end prospect in most team’s systems. We are just currently in an overflow with Kulich exploding out of seemingly nowhere. So he’s expendable with the season we just had to get help for a need right now.

 

[Zman5778]

Tell me about this Rosen character

Put Olofsson's shot on a speedy guy who plays 200 feet. He's going to need another year or two to bulk up some, but there's real potential there for a genuine top 6 guy if not top line.

Problem is, he's a bit redundant in our system given: Tage, Tuch, Cozens, Quinn, Peterka, Mittelstadt, Savoie, Kulich.

 

[Mattias]

13 OA pick in a strong draft for 1 season of Roy, who turns 29?
That won't cut it. If I am Buffalo, Durzi is the choice. He fits the age of the group and there is control after his deal.

With Clarke ready to go and with Roy, Walker, and Grans in the pipeline - if the Kings want a very good pick in this draft - I think Durzi is the price, especially if you look at the Romanov and Hronek deals. If Durzi is a deal breaker, then that's fine - Buffalo looks elsewhere and/or keeps the pick.

You could have Durzi for a 2nd, maybe even a 3rd. But hey if the GM says "we want Durzi and offer the 13th" Blake would fly that kid first class to Buffalo with a love note to Kevyn Adams personally.

Durzi is available. Sean Walker is available. Kings have Spence and Clarke, both ready for NHL duty.

 

[BlueTacos]

What about both of buffalo's second round picks in 2023 plus rights to Ryan Johnson
For
Colton parayko.

Possibly a bit more

 

[Old Navy Goat]

That Parayko contract is going to look ugly in a couple years. He has way to much term left for a 29yo who's play has fallen off recently

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Maybe something around Braden Schneider from NYR?

 

[tsujimoto74]

That Parayko contract is going to look ugly in a couple years. He has way to much term left for a 29yo who's play has fallen off recently

I’m not sure his play has really fallen off so much as he was never a #1 defenseman, and that’s just a lot more exposed on a team where the other top 4 RDH is Justin Faulk instead of Alex Pietrangelo. That’s not to say the contract wouldn’t give me some pause, but he’d definitely add stability to the 2nd pairing in the short term.

 

[Old Navy Goat]

On a 4yr contract I'd be happy but those extra 3yrs at 6.5mil is way too much

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Pesce would be an ideal add for Buffalo, if he'd be willing to extend with us.

Scoring wingers? Yep. We got them. Draft capital? Yep, can do.

#13 would certainly be on the table. We'd offer Olofsson at 50%, but I'm not sure Brind'Amor would be a fan....but he can score 25 in his sleep. I don't think you could get Peterka for him...or Kulich. But Rosen would be available.

Pesce would be a great add.

There's no way that Peterka (or even Kulich/Savoie in the right deal) should be off the table when we're discussing these proposals.

The 'untouchable' tag gets thrown around far too often for my liking. Each team has 2-3 truly unmovable players - not 10 like we seem to.

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I apologise on behalf of Sabre fans for the numerous offers containing the likes of Olofsson/Jokiharju - basically the guys we never want to see on the team again. This is fast becoming our Ryder/Halak/2nd.. We need to do better...

 

[Uberpecker]

Preferring someone who is a right shot and has a bit more tread on the tire though Tanev's an excellent defender. If they are putting 13OA into the mix, the hope is for someone on the other side of 30. I'm of a mind that it's not going to be 13 in the mix, that they'll make some sort of move more like how the Devils picked up Siegenthaler/Graves for picks or last summer's defense swaps of Petry for Matheson, Marino for Smith where they use Jokiharju and something to get a different player at the same RHD position.

Jokiharju + Olofsson for Fabbro.

Maybe add pieces to balance things out.

 

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Has had a good rookie season in the AHL. still needs some time in the cooker, super skilled and a decent defensive winger.

But needs to keep building his frame and from what I’ve seen ( @Chainshot watches a lot more than me so he can add) he needs to be more engaged in going for 50/50 pucks and battles.

I think he’d be a high end prospect in most team’s systems. We are just currently in an overflow with Kulich exploding out of seemingly nowhere. So he’s expendable with the season we just had to get help for a need right now.

Put Olofsson's shot on a speedy guy who plays 200 feet. He's going to need another year or two to bulk up some, but there's real potential there for a genuine top 6 guy if not top line.

Problem is, he's a bit redundant in our system given: Tage, Tuch, Cozens, Quinn, Peterka, Mittelstadt, Savoie, Kulich.

Seems like Rosen is a solid prospect. I just don’t know about Olafsson being a piece that interests us. If it’s a cap thing then fine, that’s got to be accounted for in the cheques and balances of the equations but lots of people posting that RBA would rip his head off.

You guys definitely have a glut of good young forwards/prospects and, well not enough places to play them so there seems to be a fit. We just might want a bigger name like JJ or something along those lines.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Why would Carolina give up Brett Pesce for picks? If Carolina were to trade Pesce they’d want an equivalent, win now player on offense that would address their scoring needs.

 

[Djp]

What about both of buffalo's second round picks in 2023 plus rights to Ryan Johnson
For
Colton parayko.

Possibly a bit more

That contract is bad.

 

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Why would Carolina give up Brett Pesce for picks? If Carolina were to trade Pesce they’d want an equivalent, win now player on offense that would address their scoring needs.

I mean, we'd like that but also we have some cap decisions to make in the next two years. Can't re-sign all of Aho, Slavin, Skjei, Pesce, Necas, Jarvis, TT... they all need new contracts either next year or the year after. Burns is also up in 2 years but maybe he retires, maybe he does 1 year deals a la Pavelski.

We have some good young D coming up in Nikishin and Morrow who look to be solid NHLers. Currently, Pesce would be our 4th best D man as Slavin, Burns and Skjei are all ahead of him right now. He's good enough to be a 2/3 but we need scoring forwards. If they are NHL roster players then great. If they are good prospects, also great. If it's a high enough draft pick that we can use to get one.... you guessed it... great.

 

[Chainshot]

Seems like Rosen is a solid prospect. I just don’t know about Olafsson being a piece that interests us. If it’s a cap thing then fine, that’s got to be accounted for in the cheques and balances of the equations but lots of people posting that RBA would rip his head off.

You guys definitely have a glut of good young forwards/prospects and, well not enough places to play them so there seems to be a fit. We just might want a bigger name like JJ or something along those lines.

Olofsson would give RBA fits and I don't think the Carolina data folks would approve either.

Since I was summoned to give my 2 cents on Rosen, but @MOGlLNY's assessment is pretty solid. Most of his issues are that he's still not fully grown and strength contests are not his forte. He's deceptively quick, elusively agile, has a variety of excellent shot options, and has very good vision to set the table for others. He's also defensively responsible for someone his age playing on the wing, that doesn't need to be baked into him like it does for say, Peterka or Kulich. That said, his production hasn't been what Peterka's was last year while Peterka is only 14 months older and is a bit off from Kulich's who he is 13 months older than. *shrug* It's a strength thing.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Maybe Hanfin? If he was right handed then he’d be the absolute perfect fit to play with power.

 

[Matt Ress]

Pesce would be a great add.

There's no way that Peterka (or even Kulich/Savoie in the right deal) should be off the table when we're discussing these proposals.

The 'untouchable' tag gets thrown around far too often for my liking. Each team has 2-3 truly unmovable players - not 10 like we seem to.

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I apologise on behalf of Sabre fans for the numerous offers containing the likes of Olofsson/Jokiharju - basically the guys we never want to see on the team again. This is fast becoming our Ryder/Halak/2nd.. We need to do better...

Weird take dude. If you want to self flagellate, do it on your own behalf.

Anyway, a good amount of the players discussed would not be worth those young forwards and who offers up their most recent, high performing 1st rounder as a starter. Have you never negotiated anything?

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Weird take dude. If you want to self flagellate, do it on your own behalf.

Anyway, a good amount of the players discussed would not be worth those young forwards and who offers up their most recent, high performing 1st rounder as a starter. Have you never negotiated anything?

Throwing out bullshit proposals is just a waste of everybodies time, IMO. And you speak about negotiating like we're buying houses here instead - not discussing Sports teams.

Sure - fans of other teams also do it in damn near every thread i read. The difference is that i can easily ignore them...

 

[BlueTacos]

That contract is bad.

Um no it sure is not. He is paid what a player his caliber is paid.