SunDancer
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They must have realized the risk. Seriously, think about it ... IA was the NHL's preferred choice to manage a franchise in crisis?
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Phoenix CXXIII: Who Wants to Pay Our Bills?
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They must have realized the risk. Seriously, think about it ... IA was the NHL's preferred choice to manage a franchise in crisis?
Llama19
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A remodeled Phoenix Suns arena downtown? City studying idea
To quote:
"[Deputy City Manager Paul] Blue said Barrett Sports Group will present its findings to the council, likely by the late spring or early summer. He said the city and the Suns have not agreed on a "specific strategy" with respect to a future facility.
Two councilmen, Jim Waring and Sal DiCiccio, voted against the payment [$75,000 to study the feasibility and cost of a renovation] to extend the contract for Barrett Sports because they said it's an unnecessary expense.
Blue said the consultant will also look at whether the existing arena could be compatible with hockey. The Arizona Coyotes continue to search for a deal that would allow them to exit their tumultuous relationship with Glendale.
"I as mayor will do everything I can to pursue a course that makes a new facility home to the Suns, the (Phoenix) Mercury and the Coyotes," Stanton said in his 2016 State of the City speech, noting the WNBA franchise as well."
Source: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...s-arena-downtown-city-studying-idea/98497504/
To quote:
"[Deputy City Manager Paul] Blue said Barrett Sports Group will present its findings to the council, likely by the late spring or early summer. He said the city and the Suns have not agreed on a "specific strategy" with respect to a future facility.
Two councilmen, Jim Waring and Sal DiCiccio, voted against the payment [$75,000 to study the feasibility and cost of a renovation] to extend the contract for Barrett Sports because they said it's an unnecessary expense.
Blue said the consultant will also look at whether the existing arena could be compatible with hockey. The Arizona Coyotes continue to search for a deal that would allow them to exit their tumultuous relationship with Glendale.
"I as mayor will do everything I can to pursue a course that makes a new facility home to the Suns, the (Phoenix) Mercury and the Coyotes," Stanton said in his 2016 State of the City speech, noting the WNBA franchise as well."
Source: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...s-arena-downtown-city-studying-idea/98497504/
Killion
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... yeah well, good look with that Stanton... 2 outta 3 aint bad... www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5hWWe-ts2s ... but then, you'd think he'd
already know that yes? 2 minute phone call to Sarver should straighten his wagon wheels right out if he doesnt. This guy really needs to get over himself.
Llama19
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Roll call was taken and Sen Lesko and Sen Hobbs were not present...
But...SB1480 is still on the agenda...
Update: SB1480 passed
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Glacial
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With all this talk of the space program, I'm wondering if the Coyotes are Laika the dog, launched into orbit, much heralded but coming down dead as a doornail and their fate being kept secret for a long time. IceArizona has been running the parrot shop routine for years. The Coyotes have just been 'pining for Scottsdale' or doing unspeakable acts to a carcass.
So what was the contents of SB1480 again?
Roll call was taken and Sen Lesko and Sen Hobbs were not present...
But...SB1480 is still on the agenda...
Update: SB1480 passed
So what was the contents of SB1480 again?
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Roll call was taken and Sen Lesko and Sen Hobbs were not present...
But...SB1480 is still on the agenda...
Update: SB1480 passed
Ok what does that mean for IA piles of dirt?
Llama19
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There are so many metaphors from the space program we could use.
LeBlanc could be compared to Scott Carpenter, Mercury astronaut. Carpenter went up after John Glenn's orbital flight. Once he got to orbit, he spent his time wasting fuel, falling behind in his checklist, and, critically, running out of propellant in his attitude thrusters that was reserved for reentry. He nearly burned up on his way back to Earth, and missed his landing spot by several hundred miles. When the Navy finally found him, he couldn't figure out why everyone was so upset.
Famously, Chris Kraft, the Director of Manned Spaceflight at the time, told everyone he could find that "that sonofa***** will never fly for me again." By the time Gordon Cooper took the final Mercury flight later that year, Carpenter was out of NASA and spending time in a deep sea lab, safely out of everyone's way.
LeBlanc is like that, only louder.
Tom ServoMST3K
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Give me wrestling parallels any day over space parallels.
Gretzky bringing in his friends to dominate the top like Hogan did in WCW.
Gretzky bringing in his friends to dominate the top like Hogan did in WCW.
Llama19
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My Turn: Why I [Senator Bob Worsley] sponsored bill to help build new Arizona Coyotes arena
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"During the Senate hearing on the bill, the Arizona Coyotes testified about their commitment to the Greater Phoenix market. They said that this is the best market for their hockey team in North America – if the arena is located in the best location for their fans and sponsors.
SB 1149 provides the Coyotes and the community with an opportunity to keep hockey in this world-class market.
The proposed complex isn’t just a win for the Coyotes, but the entire community, state and region. It will be a home for community events year-round, a home for youth sports tournaments, and it will provide a world-class experience for sporting and major NCAA events.
SB 1149 creates a new paradigm for partnership and growth between communities and professional sports organizations, and I could not be more honored to sponsor this important bill."
Source: http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2017/03/02/arizona-coyotes-arena-bill-worsley/98540854/
To quote:
"During the Senate hearing on the bill, the Arizona Coyotes testified about their commitment to the Greater Phoenix market. They said that this is the best market for their hockey team in North America – if the arena is located in the best location for their fans and sponsors.
SB 1149 provides the Coyotes and the community with an opportunity to keep hockey in this world-class market.
The proposed complex isn’t just a win for the Coyotes, but the entire community, state and region. It will be a home for community events year-round, a home for youth sports tournaments, and it will provide a world-class experience for sporting and major NCAA events.
SB 1149 creates a new paradigm for partnership and growth between communities and professional sports organizations, and I could not be more honored to sponsor this important bill."
Source: http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2017/03/02/arizona-coyotes-arena-bill-worsley/98540854/
Killion
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Yeah I know who he was smart guy. Gemini 5. Spam in a Can as Chuck Yeager called the poor Bastids that had to fly those things & the Apollo capsules not much better but sure ok... to the Moon & back, yeah, ok TFP, wh
tever.... You know Cooper saw a UFO at Edwards AFB uh?.... 1957.... took pictures of it hovering & landing, witnessed by 2 other's... film snatched up by military security, Cooper "debriefed"... never did see anything in near orbit flights though did stick to that story from 57 until his death in 2004.... yep, Leroy Gordon Gordo Cooper Jr.... dont know why he went with Gordon or Gordo, Leroys a great name... clearly Todd Rundgren thinks so too... great tune... www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM72dV5SODM
Tom ServoMST3K
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Is a 20 mile difference worth a brand new arena in the Valley?
I really wonder what the Suns think of what's going on.
OK, funny thought: what if the Suns moved into GRA while the 'yotes built a new arena? Even temporarily, while they build a new arena on tribal lands.
Llama19
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So...if he sponsored the bill...and he thinks it is so great for the area...then why has it been pulled from voting...
Because, it most likely will fail...
Killion
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Yes, thats what I was saying earlier. Were talking app 20 miles from Tempe. Twenty frickin miles... think about that.... at roughly $55M from the municpality & $240M from the State... how many millions does that work out to per mile?... because thats essentially what your doing. Paving a road of gold out of Glendale to Tempe but youve still got a huge problem because the same idiots are in control, and how long before they start asking that the tax be increased (?) because they cant make a go of it, overestimated the runway yet again, geographical cure didnt take, on life support once more....
Boris Zubov
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Is it common for AZ State Senators to pander for public support of their proposed bills in the newspapers?
Tom ServoMST3K
In search of a Steinbach Hero
Wouldn't it be cheaper to build a road exclusively for Coyotes fans/Concert fans from Tempe to GRA?
It's what, A million dollars a mile for a road?Or maybe even a...
MONORAIL!
Speaking of! New Avvy. Can't argue with the classics.
Killion
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Seems quite common everywhere when its a high profile hot button issue, sports & sports facilities, arenas & stadiums, Olympic Games etc.
Wouldn't it be cheaper to build a road exclusively for Coyotes fans from Tempe to GRA?
Or maybe even a...
MONORAIL!
Speaking of! New Avvy. Can't argue with the classics.
$450M, you could probably build a teleporter, a straight out of Star Trek Transporter for Gods sake.. and not the dinky kind that can only handle 5 or 10 people at a time. 17,500 of them in the blink of
an eye from their couches at home into their seats at GRA.... mind you, could be dicey if any of your seasons ticket holders were driving at the time, in the shower or whatever.... and yes, Avy Approved.
Tom ServoMST3K
In search of a Steinbach Hero
Cool black cat in a tank is gone.
I stole that pic from reddit.com/r/cats
I think that's the longest I've ever kept one. I used to change every game.
Remember:
Mono = One
Rail = Rail
Llama19
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In Arizona...anything that needs to be done, including pandering, is never off limits...
I would not be surprised should LeBlanc start up his sports media tour again after this...
This bill, as has been said before, is on life support...
Boris Zubov
No relation to Sergei, Joe
Cool black cat in a tank is gone.
Kitty was cool, but his new avatar is genius.
Honorable mention for Llama's.
Kitty was cool, but his new avatar is genius.
Honorable mention for Llama's.
I didn't notice the little llama peeking out in the corner.
Seems quite common everywhere when its a high profile hot button issue, sports & sports facilities, arenas & stadiums, Olympic Games etc.
$450M, you could probably build a teleporter, a straight out of Star Trek Transporter for Gods sake.. and not the dinky kind that can only handle 5 or 10 people at a time. 17,500 of them in the blink of
an eye from their couches at home into their seats at GRA.... mind you, could be dicey if any of your seasons ticket holders were driving at the time, in the shower or whatever.... and yes, Avy Approved.
I was going to suggest a subway/people mover, but at $400 million I think they could go for Elon Musk's hyperloop
Llama19
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Kitty was cool, but his new avatar is genius.
Honorable mention for Llama's.
But...but...you did not capture the essence of LeBlanc's expression...
I didn't notice the little llama peeking out in the corner.
You never know when a llama will appear...
And that's why I proposed earlier that they amend Worsley's bill to build TWO arenas. You need a backup in case this doesn't work in the Mesa/Tempe area. I'd be building two arenas at the same time, the second one in Scottsdale. That's twice the construction jobs!
IA would love the options that leaves them: You could mothball one and just save it for your second 30-year lease that you fully intend to fulfill.
You could use one as your practice facility. Either way, you have an easy out if Mesa/Tempe doesn't instantly turn into sellout crowds every night at an average $100 a seat. Just tell people the location is the problem and move to Scottsdale!But if I were IA, I'd get more creative with the situation. Having 3 arenas (counting Glendale), I'd play approx. 15 games in each arena every year - Glendale, Mesa/Tempe, and Scottsdale. That takes care of your supply and demand problem right off the bat. You can't sell 17,000 tickets in any of those locations 41 times a year, plus pre-season, but gol darn it, if you're only playing 15 games in each community, you'll sell out every frickin' game! Did I mention at an average ticket price of $125?
This would be a huge favor to the NHL. The whole model of communities building just one building for their NHL franchise is so out of date. Once this multiple-arena concept succeeds so dramatically in Arizona, I know we'd want a second building for the Wild in the Twin Cities, as it's well known nobody will drive the 10 miles from Minneapolis to St. Paul to attend a game.
Sunrise needs a twin building (at taxpayer expense, of course) in Miami. Dallas and Fort Worth. And why should hockey fans in the northern Bay Area have to drive all the way down to San Jose to see their favorite sport? San Fran or Oakland need to build the Sharks another tank to use 20 games a year!
But where I really think this concept would work to save a franchise is in Carolina. It used to be the Research Triangle area was thought to consist of Raleigh, Durham, and Chapel Hill. Well, of course all three of those cities should have a Hurricanes arena and its dozen games a year.
But people tell me that big growth has occurred in Cary - so what the hell, have them build an arena, too! Each new state of the art arena gets 10 home games! Of course every game will sell out when you squeeze demand that tight! Bettman would love it!
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