Proposal: Philly and Toronto

[Teeder9]

If not the best, certainly the most important. A guy like couts is very important to being a real contender.

Sweet. Give you a 2nd for Giroux

 

[flyersfan018]

Stat watchers out in full force like they know anything about Couturier. We'll keep our overrated #3C and you can keep your godly players. Deal?

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

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Can this thread be closed already? It's low tide and it smells.

did you miss the other post where hes better then most selke winners ofc you did lmaooooooo, gotta make it so your teams da best

 

[Magua]

did you miss the other post where hes better then most selke winners ofc you did lmaooooooo, gotta make it so your teams da best

Iz Bozak better than Couturier? Should the Flyers trade Bozak for Couturier?

 

[Flyerfan47]

I don't want Kadri on my team period, end of story ! Let him stay in Toronto

 

[kihei]

What does Toronto need to add to balance the trade?

Forget it. We add our respectful regrets, nothing more. If there is a difference between the two principles, it's not worth giving up Brown to even that supposed difference up.

 

[Snotbubbles]

6 > huh?

pretty high praise for a guy who has never topped 15g or 39 pts in a season. kadri has 40 more pts in 26 less games. couturier may be the better 2 way guy, but his lack of finish screams #3C. a #2C on a contending team is scoring more than 10-15g a year

Kadri also has:

1. A higher percentage of Ozone starts for his career (49.4 v 40.2)
2. More TOI for ES in 2016 (15:31 v 14:26) yet Couturier has a higher GF/60 (2.7 v 2.5).
3. More TOI for PP in 2016 (2:40 v 1:55) yet Couturier has a higher GF/60 (6.1 v 5.6)

So I think the statistical data is there that if the Flyers actually used Couturier in a more offensive role, the production would increase. They began doing that last season.

 

[Curufinwe]

yup. offense just isnt there. seriously how many players who havent hit 40pts in this league after 5 years would be considered a top 6 player?

I havent seen a non flyers fan yet proclaim couturier to be a #2.

He lead his team that made the playoffs in 5 on 5 points/60, but the offense isn't there.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...ters&minutes=200&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

1.96 points/60 versus 1.1 for Kadri.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...ters&minutes=200&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

 

[Curufinwe]

Is he good defensively ? Yes no one can argue that. But if he wants to be regarded a top 6 player his offence needs to improve greatly. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks he's very overrated

You must be talking about Kadri since Couturier has scored at a higher rate than him at 5 on 5 over the past three seasons.

1.58 points/60 versus 1.48 over a sample size of 3,000+ minutes.

 

[Halla]

You must be talking about Kadri since Couturier has scored at a higher rate than him at 5 on 5 over the past three seasons.

1.58 points/60 versus 1.48 over a sample size of 3,000+ minutes.

lets just disregard powerplay then?
5v5 points per 60? really?

Kadri has outscored couts 4 straight years. his worst season equalled couts career high...numbers dont lie

 

[Halla]

Kadri also has:

1. A higher percentage of Ozone starts for his career (49.4 v 40.2)
2. More TOI for ES in 2016 (15:31 v 14:26) yet Couturier has a higher GF/60 (2.7 v 2.5).
3. More TOI for PP in 2016 (2:40 v 1:55) yet Couturier has a higher GF/60 (6.1 v 5.6)

So I think the statistical data is there that if the Flyers actually used Couturier in a more offensive role, the production would increase. They began doing that last season.

a powerplay that had giroux,voracek,simmonds,schenn,ghost etc right?

check who kadri played with on unit 2

 

[Hockeypete49]

To Toronto: Couturier

To Philly: Kadri and Brown

Toronto gets a defensive player that would thrive under Babcock, philly gets some forward depth to add onto their deep defence.

Not a fan of kadri at all and I really do not know much about Brown. Philly fans and true NHL fans know the value of Sean. Flyers pass easy.

 

[duffy9748]

Couturier is one of the players that isn't worth discussing in proposals. No, he's not a 1st line center, but considering his age, contract, skill set, and value to the Flyers, they'd never consider moving him barring an unrealistic offer.

 

[ponder719]

a powerplay that had giroux,voracek,simmonds,schenn,ghost etc right?

check who kadri played with on unit 2

Good job listing off the Flyers' PP1!

Now check who Couturier played with on unit 2. I assure you, the list is substantially less impressive.

 

[1865]

I'm not even commenting on the value but i don't like couturier as a player at all. By far one of the most overrated

Couturier is so overrated. He's certainly not so much better than Kadri as to warrant Brown. Get outta here, I'd rather keep Kadri

I wouldn't trade Kadri straight up for him. No thanks.

 

[Liferleafer]

Here's my take, Couts and Kadri are 2 different players style wise...Couts is excellent defensively, Kadri has better offensive skills. Babcock seriously improved Kadri's D game last season, so i would pass on the OP...adding Brown is to much.

 

[syc]

Leafs pass, French players never work out in Toronto.

 

[1865]

pretty much the only argument that couts is better is based on his pace last year?

career 82 gm pace:
Kadri- 20.37g/29.17a/49.54pts
Couturier - 13.12g/23.66a/36.78pts

so you want kadri and brown as well? hell no

You're not doing the stereotype much good here with this type of entry-level analysis. Let's look at this properly.

ES/PP TOI & Points Last Year:
Couturier - 39 points in 1,055 mins (2.21 pp60)
Kadri - 45 points in 1,383 mins (1.95 ppg60)

ES/PP TOI & Points Last 2 Years:
Couturier - 76 points in 2,372 mins (1.92 pp60)
Kadri - 84 points in 2,656 mins (1.89 pp60)

So when you look at it properly, even with the weight of one of the league's lowest o-zone starts and highest QualCom combinations AND an extra 290 PK minutes on top he STILL managed to outproduce Kadri when in a position to do so! Is 2 years enough of a sample period for you? Your point may have held some water if Kadri had played more than a frankly abysmal 17 minutes PK in 2 years....

So yeh, we reject Kadri and Brown for Couturier, we reject anything but a ridiculous offer for Couturier. You don't know what you're talking about, as evidenced by the below.

a powerplay that had giroux,voracek,simmonds,schenn,ghost etc right?

check who kadri played with on unit 2

Here's my take, Couts and Kadri are 2 different players style wise...Couts is excellent defensively, Kadri has better offensive skills. Babcock seriously improved Kadri's D game last season, so i would pass on the OP...adding Brown is to much.

Kadri isn't really any better than Couturier offensively. He scores more points due to his increased ES and PP ice time.

 

[flyersfan018]

a powerplay that had giroux,voracek,simmonds,schenn,ghost etc right?

check who kadri played with on unit 2

All I can do is laugh when I see ignorant posts like this.

 

[Stizzle]

a powerplay that had giroux,voracek,simmonds,schenn,ghost etc right?

check who kadri played with on unit 2

Yes, none of which Couturier gets to play with. That is our 1st unit. They get every second of PP time they can. Our 2nd unit gets the crumbs. Look it up and get a clue.

 

[Starat327]

Sweet. Give you a 2nd for Giroux

So you can get malkin for a 2nd too, right? Since he isn't the best player on the team? And Seguin, Backstrom, Krejci, etc?

There's alot of good 1C's that need to be available for a 2nd, apparently.

 

[Starat327]

There are very few scenarios in which Couturier would be available in a trade. While Kadri is a good player in his own right, this is not one of those scenarios.

 

[Ernest95]

Can this thread just be closed? It seems like its resounding no from both sides, and neither side is going to convince the other.
It's a no from me because Couturier is a vita part of this team, without him who do we have to match up against other teams top players so effectively.

 

[Liferleafer]

You're not doing the stereotype much good here with this type of entry-level analysis. Let's look at this properly.

ES/PP TOI & Points Last Year:
Couturier - 39 points in 1,055 mins (2.21 pp60)
Kadri - 45 points in 1,383 mins (1.95 ppg60)

ES/PP TOI & Points Last 2 Years:
Couturier - 76 points in 2,372 mins (1.92 pp60)
Kadri - 84 points in 2,656 mins (1.89 pp60)

So when you look at it properly, even with the weight of one of the league's lowest o-zone starts and highest QualCom combinations AND an extra 290 PK minutes on top he STILL managed to outproduce Kadri when in a position to do so! Is 2 years enough of a sample period for you? Your point may have held some water if Kadri had played more than a frankly abysmal 17 minutes PK in 2 years....

So yeh, we reject Kadri and Brown for Couturier, we reject anything but a ridiculous offer for Couturier. You don't know what you're talking about, as evidenced by the below.







Kadri isn't really any better than Couturier offensively. He scores more points due to his increased ES and PP ice time.

So Couts only plays the PK? Bottom line is Couts is better defensively, Kadri is better offensively. Can both improve in those areas? Of course...would i add Brown to Kadri? No.

 

[mashedpotato]

I'm a fan of neither team.

Kadri and Couturier are similar players. kadri plays with a bit more of an offensive flair and Couturier is a better defensive forward.

Both teams are not positioned to do anything to improve their competitiveness, let alone exchange interchangeable parts.

Maybe Philli has more pressure to make the playoffs considering TML is basically a bloated cash cow and can stay out of the playoffs indefinitely.