Player Discussion Phillip Danault: What's My Line Edition

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I am baffled how people are defending Danault at this point. I could understand if you had a paycheck at stake but wowzers. The guy has been flat out bad this year. All the backwords looking only weakens your case. My only hope is bergie doesn't offer him anything and instead trades him if we are out of a playoff spot. Somehow I could see Danault still getting 5 million for 4 years and everyone "saves face". Not in the habs interest unless 24 takes 4 million or less and only plays 14 minutes a game. Otherwise we wasted another 3rd overall to reach for a center for no reason. KK will have his development screwed up and people will claim the same garbage as chuck, he needs to earn it, he has had every opportunity, he has no tool, bad skater, no vision and on and on and on.
Didn’t you hear. Out of his 8 whole points he has the most primary assists. Wow.
And still has 8 points and NO goals
The guy is shit.
 
« Lines » refer to 5v5 not PP. Why use PP abilities to determine your 5v5 lines, what logic is that???

He’s around 45th 5v5 points per 60 since 2018. There 93 first line players and 186 top 6 players in the league....do the math bud. Around 45 even strength points is definitely top 6 production.

He’s trash on the PP. Ok. Doesn’t mean he’s a third liner.

If he can get back to that production this season that’ll be good. But if you’re just looking at 5v5 points per 60 this season he’s 10th out of forwards on the Habs (214th among forwards in the NHL). He was also 10th in the bubble among Habs forwards. His game isn’t at the level of play in the last calendar year compared to prior seasons. He also hasn’t been that good on the PK, PK faceoffs, or defensive zone faceoffs.

I think that’s been the issue. The contract details leaking out doesn’t help either.
 
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If he can get back to that production this season that’ll be good. But if you’re just looking at 5v5 points per 60 this season he’s 10th out of forwards on the Habs (214th among forwards in the NHL). He was also 10th in the bubble. His game isn’t at the level of play in the last calendar year compared to prior seasons. He also hasn’t been that good on the PK, PK faceoffs, or defensive zone faceoffs.

I think that’s been the issue. The contract details leaking out doesn’t help either.
Organizations in every league leak out contract details purposely. For Danualt to say no to a guaranteed 30 million is just down right ridiculous
 
If he can get back to that production this season that’ll be good. But if you’re just looking at 5v5 points per 60 this season he’s 10th out of forwards on the Habs (214th among forwards in the NHL). He was also 10th in the bubble. His game isn’t at the level of play in the last calendar year compared to prior seasons. He also hasn’t been that good on the PK, PK faceoffs, or defensive zone faceoffs.

I think that’s been the issue. The contract details leaking out doesn’t help either.
Phil wants out........actions speak louder than words. He is playing like a dud...only he knows why.
 
Phil wants out........actions speak louder than words. He is playing like a dud...only he knows why.

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Can't believe some people still defend him.
How obvious it is. Gallagher and Tatar have been awful since covid . Then Danault production went down real fast. He's heavily getting carried by his teammates for 2 years now. Struggles to get 50 points with 2 hot wingers with 19min of icetime on years we missed playoffs by miles.

Refused a luxury contract that he did not even deserve to begin with and spit on it.
Did not score a goal in an entire year . He can't create anything offensively and if it was not enough , his defensive skills this sesaon have been more putrid than anyone in this team.
Yet he still plays top minutes every nights. Dude cant t even complete single passes and generate any scoring chances. All he does his dump the puck and play the board and throw the puck in the middle of the offensive zone and hope for the best.
This guy still thinks he's a top 6 center in the nhl. Any teams that will run Danault as a top center will not make playoffs . Simple as that.

Until the days he realize hes no top 6 player , Danault will be useless in his brain and on the ice.
 
If he can get back to that production this season that’ll be good. But if you’re just looking at 5v5 points per 60 this season he’s 10th out of forwards on the Habs (214th among forwards in the NHL). He was also 10th in the bubble. His game isn’t at the level of play in the last calendar year compared to prior seasons. He also hasn’t been that good on the PK, PK faceoffs, or defensive zone faceoffs.

I think that’s been the issue. The contract details leaking out doesn’t help either.

I agree but I try to avoid small sample sizes, that’s why I include the last 20 games in the broader context of the last 2 seasons, where he had the same player as linemates.

I will add that Tatar-Danault-Gallagher are still the top line in the whole NHL in xGF%. which is usually fairly in line witch actual production and goal differential over larger sample sizes. Tatar and Gallagher aren’t putting it in at the rate they should be.

I think if Ducharme stick to this line, they will turn it around.
 
Can't believe some people still defend him.
How obvious it is. Gallagher and Tatar have been awful since covid . Then Danault production went down real fast. He's heavily getting carried by his teammates for 2 years now. Struggles to get 50 points with 2 hot wingers with 19min of icetime on years we missed playoffs by miles.

Refused a luxury contract that he did not even deserve to begin with and spit on it.
Did not score a goal in an entire year . He can't create anything offensively and if it was not enough , his defensive skills this sesaon have been more putrid than anyone in this team.
Yet he still plays top minutes every nights. Dude cant t even complete single passes and generate any scoring chances. All he does his dump the puck and play the board and throw the puck in the middle of the offensive zone and hope for the best.
This guy still thinks he's a top 6 center in the nhl. Any teams that will run Danault as a top center will not make playoffs . Simple as that.

Until the days he realize hes no top 6 player , Danault will be useless in his brain and on the ice.

Would you say Tatar and Gallagher are above average first liners? Tatar had a career year with Danault as a center as well, so it goes both way. I don’t think nobody carried nobody.

I understand why people hate Danault, he is primarily a grinder, in the top 6...but you need those skills even in your top 6 to carry possession.

The goal scoring should come from Gally and Tatar who are not converting at their usual rates this year. They are still easily outchancing their opponent.
 
Danault is 2nd on the team in ES TOI...obviously, he's gonna be up there in ES pts.

I'm having flashbacks to Plekanec debates...ugghhh

He’s also the #1 or 2 in ES points per 60 minutes since 2018 (gally might be ahead)
 
Would you say Tatar and Gallagher are above average first liners? Tatar had a career year with Danault as a center as well, so it goes both way. I don’t think nobody carried nobody.

I understand why people hate Danault, he is primarily a grinder, in the top 6...but you need those skills even in your top 6 to carry possession.

The goal scoring should come from Gally and Tatar who are not converting at their usual rates this year. They are still easily outchancing their opponent.

I understand the small sample size part and using stats from prior seasons to show what he’s capable of. But at some point we have to look at what he’s doing this season (and the last playoffs) and wonder if it’s just a slump. Production wise he’s only made 2-3 nice plays this season that has directly lead to goals and hasn’t beat a goalie in a calendar year. If he’s going to be a top 6 centre and to earn that big contract that has to improve.
 
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I understand the small sample size part and using stats from prior seasons to show what he’s capable of. But at some point we have to look at what he’s doing this season (and the last playoffs) and wonder if it’s just a slump. Production wise he’s only made 2-3 nice plays this season that has directly lead to goals and hasn’t beat a goalie in a calendar year. If he’s going to be a top 6 centre and to earn that big contract that has to improve.

Granted, offensively he doesn’t generate as much as he should. Although, The team is still out scoring the opposition when he’s on the ice (12gf/7ga). Also at 65% in high danger chances for when on ice. The center can’t be doing everything wrong with those numbers (I’ve watched every game and I’m in a grey area his stats look a bit better then the eye test)

Im happy if this means we sign him at a bargain.
 
« Lines » refer to 5v5 not PP. Why use PP abilities to determine your 5v5 lines, what logic is that???

He’s around 45th 5v5 points per 60 since 2018. There 93 first line players and 186 top 6 players in the league....do the math bud. Around 45 even strength points is definitely top 6 production.

He’s trash on the PP. Ok. Doesn’t mean he’s a third liner.

Why do you think he's trash on the power play ? There is no reason that a guy who is apparently that good at ES, would not be able to replicate that kind of production on the PP, where you have more space and time to create things offensively.

Reality is Danault has a really weak shot, opponents will block his passing lanes and not worry that much of his shot, his passing is not that good either, his hands are made of stone and has no creativity in his game... Why would someone want that kind of player on the top-6 ? It makes no sense.

His qualities are made for the bottom-6.
 
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Would you say Tatar and Gallagher are above average first liners? Tatar had a career year with Danault as a center as well, so it goes both way. I don’t think nobody carried nobody.

I understand why people hate Danault, he is primarily a grinder, in the top 6...but you need those skills even in your top 6 to carry possession.

The goal scoring should come from Gally and Tatar who are not converting at their usual rates this year. They are still easily outchancing their opponent.
Gallagher and Tatar are both second liners. They also played a spot that they should not be playing. Perhaps they could be a good complementary with a duo like let's say Mackinnon and Landeskog. But that entire line is not first line. Also Gallagher should not have been signed this off season. You can already tell this one will stink like Price and Byron.

Also Danault is a grinder , grinders does not play on top 6. Danault is what you call a shutdown center. I wouldnt say he's a 4th liner but hes at best at 3liner like Pageau but wors offensively.
He's like an Eller with less offensive skill but that asks the double of Eller Salary which is laughable.
 
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Why do you think he's trash on the power play ? There is no reason that a guy who is apparently that good at ES, would not be able to replicate that kind of production on the PP, where you have more space and time to create things offensively.

Reality is Danault has a really weak shot, opponents will block his passing lanes and not worry that much of his shot, his passing is not that good either, his hands are made of stone and has no creativity in his game... Why would someone want that kind of player on the top-6 ? It makes no sense.

His qualities are made for the bottom-6.

He’s a high quality grinder. Creates turnovers, retrieve the puck in the ozone, rarely lose the puck, put the puck towards the net and create chances this way.

This skill set is way less effective on the PP where you need high end playmaking or goal scoring skills. He has neither.
 
He’s a high quality grinder. Creates turnovers, retrieve the puck in the ozone, rarely lose the puck, put the puck towards the net and create chances this way.

This skill set is way less effective on the PP where you need high end playmaking or goal scoring skills. He has neither.
A high quality grinder, so a great Steve begin. Cool pay him the 3 million that kind of player deserves as a vet. Otherwise find a decent young guy to do it for 2 or less. How much did we pay manny maholtra? He was a great faceoff guy and grinder.
 
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A high quality grinder, so a great Steve begin. Cool pay him the 3 million that kind of player deserves as a vet. Otherwise find a decent young guy to do it for 2 or less. How much did we pay manny maholtra? He was a great faceoff guy and grinder.

Seriously?

45th in the league since ‘18 in 5v5 points per 60 and you compare him to Begin and Malhotra? Always fun to argue with people like you, straight to the hyperbole.
 
Danault makes $3M a year which is the 14th highest cap hit on the team, even behind Alzner's buyout.. for his salary and cap hit he has done his job unlike guys like Price, Tatar, Byron etc.

His TOI has dropped by 2:30 from last year, he has been passed already by Suzuki as our #1C and if KK continues to play similar to how he did Tuesday then it won't be long before Danault is our third line C with lesser offensive talent.

I don't want to see him back next year considering even with a down season he'll get a raise, but the way he gets criticized you'd think we are paying him like $7-8M a season.
 
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