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The Nightman said:
Too true. It feels like ground hog day. I remember using the same arguments against Plekanec before he signed that dumb 2 year contract at 6 million per.

Just like how Plekanec should have been traded when his contract was expiring in a year and his value was high after his 60 point season, we should have sold high on Danault when it was clear what his ceiling was (no matter how much he believes he has another "gear"). Now he's most probably gone for nothing, but at least he didn't get signed unlike Plekanec, not to Bergy's credit though.
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You're preaching to the choir man lol

I was right there with you
 
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salbutera said:
Doesn’t matter KK has been various levels of deficient, but has started gathering his wings, so you keep feeding that growth in monitored environment to keep the growth progressing.
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Yet they have done very little, if any, of that.

His icetime his rookie season is almost identical to what it is now.

The only growth they've fed into is Danault's.

And since last year...Suzuki.
 
Danault has DEVELOPED into one of the league's best 2 way players.

How did this happen?
 
417 said:
Yet they have done very little, if any, of that.

His icetime his rookie season is almost identical to what it is now.

The only growth they've fed into is Danault's.

And since last year...Suzuki.
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His last 7GP has shown marked improvement from start of this season w it has come PP responsibility and now the best two scoring W on the team. It’s a process as Dom Dom said in relation to Romanov on 1st pairing, don’t simply skip steps
 
Mrb1p said:
Is he rocking? Why does he have a worse GF than KK who you said struggled?
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5on5 Phil is still over KK but it's close.

The difference between me and you though is that I never trashed KK!

I have no idea why you have this passion going against Phil....
 
salbutera said:
His last 7GP has shown marked improvement from start of this season w it has come PP responsibility and now the best two scoring W on the team. It’s a process as Dom Dom said in relation to Romanov on 1st pairing, don’t simply skip steps
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Granted...I hope it continues
 
417 said:
Yet Matthews, etc still kill the Habs....so what's the overall benefit of that?
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I thought Matthews only got his first goal vs Habs last game...on the PP still squat 5-on-5 like Marner, JT & Nylander
 
salbutera said:
I thought Matthews only got his first goal vs Habs last game...on the PP still squat 5-on-5 like Marner, JT & Nylander
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Don't know about that but I mean generally..over the years.

Great players are great for a reason...they will always find ways to score.

Thinking that a single player will prevent this is insanity.
 
417 said:
Yet Matthews, etc still kill the Habs....so what's the overall benefit of that?
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The idea is that you have a guy like Danault that is able to outplay other teams top lines and then your other lines getting favorable matchups...

But apparently, KK is going to produce more while facing Matthews and starting in his own zone all the time....
 
Belial said:
5on5 Phil is still over KK but it's close.

The difference between me and you though is that I never trashed KK!

I have no idea why you have this passion going against Phil....
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Sometimes harsh truths sound harsh. Hes a third liner and an absute black hole of offense, always has been.

Those are facts, not trashing.
 
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Mrb1p said:
Sometimes harsh truths sound harsh. Hes a third liner and an absute black hole of offense, always has been.

Those are facts, not trashing.
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Mon ami you have nothing to back up what you're saying!

This season, fine... Danault is underperforming but his underlying stats are exactly the same as before which leads to the conclusion that it's just a question of time!
 
Belial said:
The idea is that you have a guy like Danault that is able to outplay other teams top lines and then your other lines getting favorable matchups...
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This is short sighted...it can happen in individual games, over the course of a season.

But it's not a viable, long term solution or even expectation of a guy like Danault.

In a playoff series the Habs are getting crushed vs Matthews/Marner or McDavid/Draisaitl or Scheiffle/Dubois.

So big picture...why is that so important?

What have those results provided the last 25 years?

Honestly?

Has that approached worked in your view?

Belial said:
But apparently, KK is going to produce more while facing Matthews and starting in his own zone all the time....
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Do you have any interest in discussing this in good faith or are you just going to continue with the sarcasm?

Cause I can have this discussion with others.
 
salbutera said:
Define black hole? He’s been an avg 40pts C
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Hes been a avg 40 points C while Tatar has been producing a PPG and Gallagher has been a 30g two way force.

Those numbers were never sustainable.

In the last two years he is third in the league for secondary assists at ES. Let that sink in, he has five more than McDavid, do you think that is representative of his offensive ability and do you think its sustainable?

He had a very lucky stretch (Tatar too) it happens, it happened before and will happen again. It doesnt define a career though and its easy to see why he regressed.
 
Mrb1p said:
Hes been a avg 40 points C while Tatar has been producing a PPG and Gallagher has been a 30g two way force.

Those numbers were never sustainable.

In the last two years he is third in the league for secondary assists at ES. Let that sink in, he has five more than McDavid, do you think that is representative of his offensive ability and do you think its sustainable?

He had a very lucky stretch (Tatar too) it happens, it happened before and will happen again. It doesnt define a career though and its easy to see why he regressed.
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@Belial

Im not typing this out again, long story short, I told you Danault would regress and is an offensive black hole that got lucky.

Once again, Im right.
 
Mrb1p said:
Is he rocking? Why does he have a worse GF than KK who you said struggled?
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She seemed like a sweet girl, so that's a bit harsh... Also, we don't even know if KK has one and maybe he struggles because of the mole, but I doubt it plays much of a role.
 
417 said:
They do it every night with Danault or Weber or Chiarot..


Yes...yes I do.


Or...orrrr

They'll become better players because of it.

How is it you think Danault got to where he is today?


It's not the sole responsibility of a SINGLE player to "beat" another one.

So that's irrelevsnt to me.

I'm sick and tired of seeing a low ceiling, capable 2 way players, have to play 18+ mins a night to shadow other teams top lines.

I've been watching this same recipe since Joe Juneau did it...then it was Plekanec...now it's Danault.

S'tassez la.
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I understand your frustation but to be realistic it doesn't work like this in real life.
There's a difference between what you wish that happen and what the reality is or will be.
Now I realise that in all the moves MB did last summer he should have traded Danault for a better C. Easy to say it now. Danault hasn't been great last PO but not a disaster either. How could MB predict the falling of Danault offensively? But on the other side, Danault isn't bad defensively. Even if he is playing under his own standards, I can see other teams have an hard time playing against him.
When you say it's not the role of a single player to "beat" another one I can agree. But then we have to take a look at Byron, Armia, Suzuki, Tatar, Danault, Chariot, Weber, Petry, Edmunston, Kulak, Mete, etc. When the D struggles so much time in their own zone, the centers and wingers have to help them and the puck barelly exit the Habs zone and all they can do after their shift is to change line. This is a snowball problem but I see some real improvement with the new coaching staff. I hope they can apply a new system not too late.
 
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417 said:
This is short sighted...it can happen in individual games, over the course of a season.

But it's not a viable, long term solution or even expectation of a guy like Danault.

In a playoff series the Habs are getting crushed vs Matthews/Marner or McDavid/Draisaitl or Scheiffle/Dubois.

So big picture...why is that so important?

What have those results provided the last 25 years?

Honestly?

Has that approached worked in your view?
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This team is not rebuilding, and it's not happening sometimes to be honest... it's all the time!

You guys just underestimate Phil the thril!

This season he was on the ice for 7 GA 50n5

KK at 9 and Suzuki at 11

And he's doing the dirty job for god sake!
417 said:
Do you have any interest in discussing this in good faith or are you just going to continue with the sarcasm?

Cause I can have this discussion with others.
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You can have your dreamy discussion with others but at the end of the day....
 
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