Yes, and I’d be happy to find out that it’s a PROVEN system that totally still works and you’re just sharing it out of the goodness of your own heart.
Philadelphia Flyers only have one major individual award winner in the 21st century
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Beukeboom Fan
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In the last 15 years, Pronger was definitely a star, and prime Giroux was in equivalent to WN/MM.
Johnny Rifle
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Claude Giroux is definitely in the same class if not a class above Mitch Marner, so let’s not go too far.
ponder719
The same New Era as before
We've been shouting this from the rooftops over on the HF Flyers board, but we're a decided minority amongst the wider fan base. Far too many of them still think the Broad Street Bullies era style works, and haven't come to grips with the changes in how the game is played over the last 50 years or so, let alone with the changes in how teams are built. It's GD depressing at times, even when we do once in a blue moon blind squirrel our way into a reason for optimism like Michkov.
Zirakzigil
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But how many Giroux adjusted awards have they won? Thats the important thing.
Johnny Rifle
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Honest question for Flyers fans, is Danny Briere actually in charge in Philadelphia? I know that the old guard along still has a lot of influence, and Comcast ultimately pulls the strings.
I would not want Briere’s job in a million years.
canuckster19
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Well if it's any consolation, I think the only individual award the Canucks had in the 20th century was one calder trophy.
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Giroux better than all 3 in the playoffs lmao, Pronger better than all 3 outright
ponder719
The same New Era as before
Not really. Brière and Jones were hired, as far as we're aware, on the condition that they would not seek to replace Tortorella, who the corporate bosses really like (you don't get people calling you the team's "spiritual leader" if they don't). Torts publicly disclaims any interest in managing the roster, but a good number of decisions they made appear to be in alignment with what Torts would want even when they're detrimental to the team's future success, so either they're in lockstep or they're deferring to him. Both are equally bad outcomes.
As for the "foundational titans" (another quote that drives most of us round the twist), there was some optimism that they were being sidelined early on, but again, they were involved in the decisions that led to the team prior to this one being put into place, and that team led to this one being put into place, so even if they're not actively involved (and Barber seems to be advising Hilferty directly, if I'm not mixing things up) their influence over the process is still being felt a generation removed.
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Oilslick941611
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Not enough top 5 of the draft talent over the years. The odds are not with them.
Sombastate
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Well, the team kinda sucks.
With that said, i will die on the hill that Giroux got robbed of the Hart when Hall won it
With that said, i will die on the hill that Giroux got robbed of the Hart when Hall won it
1 more than the pathetic Utah franchise, they need to be relocated after their so called "performances"
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We never had anyone win the Calder, so he’d have the leg up on the hype machine.
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So you just ignore Giroux has finished top 3 in scoring 3 times the last 13 years? Or that G has 2 top 4 finishes in Hart voting?
What years did Marner and Nylander do that?
Hell, Voracek has as many top 4 finishes in scoring races the last decade as Matthews, Marner, and Nylander combined.
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Chris Pronger existsSo you just ignore Giroux has finished top 3 in scoring 3 times the last 13 years? Or that G has 2 top 4 finishes in Hart voting?
What years did Marner and Nylander do that?
Hell, Voracek has as many top 4 finishes in scoring races the last decade as Matthews, Marner, and Nylander combined.
Darcy Tucker
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Their primes were 10 years ago and had nothing burger careers. Sorry , we got a Hart and rockets that might be added to.So you just ignore Giroux has finished top 3 in scoring 3 times the last 13 years? Or that G has 2 top 4 finishes in Hart voting?
What years did Marner and Nylander do that?
Hell, Voracek has as many top 4 finishes in scoring races the last decade as Matthews, Marner, and Nylander combined.
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The Lindros trade looks a lot worse in hindsight because of only Forsberg (I know I’m captain obvious). I bet even the Nords/Avs were a bit surprised how good he became and more or less was in the same realm as Lindros himself. If Forsberg doesn’t become a legit superstar in his own right and becomes a 1st/2nd line player that trade is viewed a lot differently. Not that the Nords shouldn’t get cred for getting Forsberg, but I think that was a bit of a wildcard that surprised a lot of people. Some will probably think this is sour grapes as I’m a Flyers fan but I’ll always maintain it was a sound trade with good logic from the Flyers perspective.
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