OT: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): When You're Up, It's Never As Good As It Seems, And When You're Down, You Never Think You'll Be Up Again

[Hollywood Cannon]

Would be a fire worthy decision. It's going to be a DL, DB, or trade back.

Me to Howie:

 

[JojoTheWhale]

If that's the board at 5 and Levis is in consideration at 6, they're trading that pick to a team that wants him. Zero doubt in my mind. That's not a mistake Howie makes.

Team Trade Down rides yet again.

 

[Chinatown88]

If that's the board at 5 and Levis is in consideration at 6, they're trading that pick to a team that wants him. Zero doubt in my mind. That's not a mistake Howie makes.

Team Trade Down rides yet again.

We should make jerseys.

 

[DancingPanther]

If that's the board at 5 and Levis is in consideration at 6, they're trading that pick to a team that wants him. Zero doubt in my mind. That's not a mistake Howie makes.

Team Trade Down rides yet again.

Would have zero problems trading down. Would still give us a mid and late first rounder, along with probably an extra first next year, at least!

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

McShay's opening 2023 NFL mock draft: Landing spots for four QBs in the top 15, plus plenty of surprises

Todd McShay projects all 31 first-round picks of April's draft, including where the top signal-callers land, what four teams do with multiple selections and which positions dominate Day 1.

www.espn.com

Terrible and no one on earth likes it.

 

[achdumeingute]

I'd have to see who was there. I love Bijan Robinson but seriously I think he would be available at the end of the round because RBs have no value, even a rare talent like Robinson.

There is no RB I draft that high, this is Chuck level drafting. Trade down if that's what you are going to do.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Speaking of OL, that's where I would look. I'm not sure what the board looks like, but this line is going to look real different very shortly without Lane or Kelce.

I go trenches with that early pick. O or D line. DB is fair too. They shouldn't be going "skill position" with the Saints pick.

You can always, always find value at RB on day 2 or 3. Hell, I even think Boston Scott finds success with his pass catching chops and reasonable rushing skills. No need to burn anything on RB

They drafted Kelce’s replacement last year and Lane is still going for now. I don’t think you can draft someone that high and have them sit on the bench (unless it is a unique QB situation).

This RB class is loaded too so I don’t get the rush to grab one that high.

 

[achdumeingute]

Miles Sanders averages over 5 yards per carry over his career, why do they need a RB again?

*Not an endorsement of Miles


Even if you ignore the longevity concerns and that the OL influences the run game more than any RB, top ten picks still get paid and “wasting” a rookie scale number on the least valuable position in the league is foolish.

Cause we don't want to pay him and he's ufa right?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Assuming it isn't traded, that Saints pick is ~80% to be a DL at this point. Call it 15% Corner and 5% chaos.

The value, need, and organizational tendencies line up perfectly.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

They drafted Kelce’s replacement last year and Lane is still going for now. I don’t think you can draft someone that high and have them sit on the bench (unless it is a unique QB situation).

This RB class is loaded too so I don’t get the rush to grab one that high.

Kelce’s replacement?!?!

Did you not see his one on one drill against Jordan Davis?!?

He’s a bum!

I’ll hang up and listen.

 

[Halladay]

Dennis Allen has one of the worst win% ever. The Saints win 2 more games at most.

 

[DancingPanther]

They drafted Kelce’s replacement last year and Lane is still going for now. I don’t think you can draft someone that high and have them sit on the bench (unless it is a unique QB situation).

This RB class is loaded too so I don’t get the rush to grab one that high.

Forgot about Jurgens. My b. D line it is. Or trade back. Toss up for me

 

[iceman42]

Cause we don't want to pay him and he's ufa right?

Yes, he is a UFA after the season.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

McShay's opening 2023 NFL mock draft: Landing spots for four QBs in the top 15, plus plenty of surprises

Todd McShay projects all 31 first-round picks of April's draft, including where the top signal-callers land, what four teams do with multiple selections and which positions dominate Day 1.

www.espn.com

Clearly he has no understanding of our D-line fetish if he thinks we're taking a RB with #5 overall

 

[Jtown]

Me to Howie:

oh honey

 

[achdumeingute]

If that's the board at 5 and Levis is in consideration at 6, they're trading that pick to a team that wants him. Zero doubt in my mind. That's not a mistake Howie makes.

Team Trade Down rides yet again.

It's going to be so very interesting. Assuming Hou and Seattle (lol Denver) HAVE to take QBs...

If I am Chicago I am HAPPY to sell that pick. Not taking a QB, I wouldn't take D that high, they should be getting Fields talent/protection. Who cares about the defense if you ruin him.

Same with Detroit. Are they going to take a QB, with arguably a fine B+ perfectly capable of winning already there. I'd think trade down is high on their list.

I just want us, at some point, to get someone who can PR. Britain ain't cutting it.

 

[Jtown]

It's going to be so very interesting. Assuming Hou and Seattle (lol Denver) HAVE to take QBs...

If I am Chicago I am HAPPY to sell that pick. Not taking a QB, I wouldn't take D that high, they should be getting Fields talent/protection. Who cares about the defense if you ruin him.

Same with Detroit. Are they going to take a QB, with arguably a fine B+ perfectly capable of winning already there. I'd think trade down is high on their list.

I just want us, at some point, to get someone who can PR. Britain ain't cutting it.

two qb needy teams seem to be out of the market in Detroit and seattle. THe only teams I see targetting qb's are Carolina, Houston, and the Colts. If the draft were today i see the top 5 going like this

Houston Bryce young
SEattle WIll Anderson
Chicago - trade down with either carolina or Colts
Lions Jalen Carter
Eagles..... a bit screwed. We need to come out of this draft with either anderson or carter imo to really capitalize on a need and elite talent at that position of need. I wouldn't mind trading up a bit to secure one of those players with chicago.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

What I will say is that I believe Howie will do whatever is the best value in the moment.

If that means using #5 to draft Anderson or Carter, I believe he'd do that. If that means trading back for extra picks, I believe he'd do that as well.

I'm also the biggest Howie stan there is, so I love seeing the man work a phone.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

two qb needy teams seem to be out of the market in Detroit and seattle. THe only teams I see targetting qb's are Carolina, Houston, and the Colts. If the draft were today i see the top 5 going like this

Houston Bryce young
SEattle WIll Anderson
Chicago - trade down with either carolina or Colts
Lions Jalen Carter
Eagles..... a bit screwed. We need to come out of this draft with either anderson or carter imo to really capitalize on a need and elite talent at that position of need. I wouldn't mind trading up a bit to secure one of those players with chicago.

Other teams I could see paying for a rookie QB: Tampa, Vegas, Washington. There's also New Orleans, but we know that's not a trade that can happen.

I'm not saying they will. We're just putting up the list of possibles.

It's going to be so very interesting. Assuming Hou and Seattle (lol Denver) HAVE to take QBs...

If I am Chicago I am HAPPY to sell that pick. Not taking a QB, I wouldn't take D that high, they should be getting Fields talent/protection. Who cares about the defense if you ruin him.

Same with Detroit. Are they going to take a QB, with arguably a fine B+ perfectly capable of winning already there. I'd think trade down is high on their list.

I just want us, at some point, to get someone who can PR. Britain ain't cutpossible.

I'm happy to trade basically every pick in this draft that isn't Anderson/Carter. Otherwise trade down. No interest in moving up, personally. The cost is usually astronomical.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Other teams I could see paying for a rookie QB: Tampa, Vegas, Washington. There's also New Orleans, but we know that's not a trade that can happen.

I'm not saying they will. We're just putting up the list of possibles.


I'm happy to trade basically every pick in this draft that isn't Anderson/Carter. Otherwise trade down. No interest in moving up, personally. The cost is usually astronomical.

If we land at 5 and Carter is on the board are you 100% pulling the trigger?

Obviously it’s not even the off-season so I won’t hold you to this, but as of today, you’re grabbing him?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

If we land at 5 and Carter is on the board are you 100% pulling the trigger?

Obviously it’s not even the off-season so I won’t hold you to this, but as of today, you’re grabbing him?

100%. He's the best player on the Georgia defense. He was the best player on the historically great Georgia defense last year.

Obviously I haven't watched everyone in the conversation in depth, but I've seen every Snap of Carter's college career more than once and unless a medical issues pops up, there's no draft slot I'm unhappy taking him.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

100%. He's the best player on the Georgia defense. He was the best player on the historically great Georgia defense last year.

Obviously I haven't watched everyone in the conversation in depth, but I've seen every Snap of Carter's college career more than once and unless a medical issues pops up, there's no draft slot I'm unhappy taking him.

Will Carter only make Jordan Davis more valuable for us? Or do you think Davis is going to do well no matter what?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Will Carter only make Jordan Davis more valuable for us? Or do you think Davis is going to do well no matter what?

Both are good enough to stand on their own. Both complement the other and the scheme perfectly. There's no real overlap.

 

[Chinatown88]

Both are good enough to stand on their own. Both complement the other and the scheme perfectly. There's no real overlap.

I don't think you've done enough film review at this point. But I think you might have Carter and Anderson roughly valued the same? Unless I'm way off I think we tend to value a premier EDGE more. However, Carter is a freaking terminator out there. So I'm not so sure which non QB to value more. I would be torn if both were on the board come that Saints pick. I kind of hope they aren't on the board and Stroud/Levis is still up there so #TeamTradeDown can eat well.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I don't think you've done enough film review at this point. But I think you might have Carter and Anderson roughly valued the same? Unless I'm way off I think we tend to value a premier EDGE more. However, Carter is a freaking terminator out there. So I'm not so sure which non QB to value more. I would be torn if both were on the board come that Saints pick. I kind of hope they aren't on the board and Stroud/Levis is still up there so #TeamTradeDown can eat well.

I haven't gone back to Anderson yet, but my memory says Anderson's 2021 > Carter's 2022 > Carter's 2021 > Anderson's 2022.

Normally I am clear priority to EDGE, yep. But for the Eagles, who anchor their fronts on DT abilities and prioritize the position, I'm good putting them on equal ground as long as we're talking true freaks who win with both athleticism and strength -- Fletcher Cox, Jeffrey Simmons, etc. Carter is. Someone like Derrick Brown was not.