OT: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): Now We Wait And See What The Future Brings

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BrindamoursNose

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There's enough negativity today, so have a picture, then a gif.




Blood from a stone. Please count this, as it's from Japan and I don't have much time before my next call.

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I didn't think I'd walk into this thread seeing a meme with Kota Ibushi in it, but I'm f***ing thrilled
 
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philly_28

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Can I borrow a gif for my response to this? I can't find one worthy of this team at the moment.

This is Example 476 of why no one should care what professional athletes have to say about anything. It's unbelievable.

Unfair generalization. Some athletes are idiots, some are not. Same as everywhere.

DeSean certainly is an idiot. No way to deny that now. Still, I was listening to him when he shared his personal experiences of growing up as a young Black man in L.A.
 

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A lot of these guys aren’t doing Jackson any favors with their comments in defense of him.

Stephen Jackson for example if I’m someone in D. Jackson’s camp I’m telling the guy to just shut up at this point. You’re doing more harm.



In one of many statements Wednesday defending the 33-year-old wide receiver, Stephen Jackson claimed that DeSean Jackson called him and said the Eagles threatened to cut him: “I didn’t support the post, as far as Hitler and him supporting Hitler. I don’t know support Hitler, I don’t know nothing about Hitler, and I could give a f**k about Hitler. All I know is he was a cruel guy. I don’t stand for that, and I don’t support it. My whole reason for supporting D-Jack was, before I got on Instagram, he called me on the phone and told me that they was threatening to fire him, but they didn’t do that to [Riley] Cooper. And I was like, ‘You’re right, you shouldn’t have to apologize if they didn’t make him apologize.”

Jojo, I’m gonna need to borrow some more gifs.
 

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Wish I could say i'm surprised.... but i'm not at this point.

Most of the people just quietly watching from the sidelines for years have seen this all for what it really is. Sad actually.
 

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Lol. None of them get it. It isn't one or the other.



I don't have a huge problem with this actually. I'm still sorting through it, but I don't think it is nearly as dismissive of DeSean's egregious act as I think the public is saying.

The only part that's really questionable to me is this one sentence in his post..."Jewish people aren't our problem, and we aren't their problem"

I immediately read that as "we have no beef between our two communities", but I'm seeing that it can be interpreted as "Black people don't care about Jewish problems, and they don't care about our problems"...if he means the latter, then it's a pretty bad take and I lost respect for Malcolm.
 
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As someone who is half Jewish ( my dad was 100% Jewish) I am disappointed in the comments made by Deshaun. I don’t know if it is stupidity, ignorance or what. But you would think that by now we could move past the hatred and bigotry we have not only in this country but the entire world.
Many of you also know that I am dealing with depression and stories like this and others do not help me in the least bit. I grew up in a small NH city where to be honest I didn’t experience a lot of the bigotry and racism. But as I got older I moved out of that small town and my eyes were opened to the real world. Maybe I am wrong about this but things have accelerated with all this bullshit going on.
God bless anyone who is raising a child in this world now. I do not want to know what they will be dealing with decades from now.
We all should be able to sit down and have dialog without the screaming and name calling. I admit that I am guilty of that but I am trying to not let my emotions get the best of me on the topic.
If a mod wants to move this to the coronavirus thread that is fine. I have been wanting to get things off my chest for awhile now.
 

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I don't have a huge problem with this actually. I'm still sorting through it, but I don't think it is nearly as dismissive of DeSean's egregious act as I think the public is saying.

The only part that's really questionable to me is this one sentence in his post..."Jewish people aren't our problem, and we aren't their problem"

I immediately read that as "we have no beef between our two communities", but I'm seeing that it can be interpreted as "Black people don't care about Jewish problems, and they don't care about our problems"...if he means the latter, then it's a pretty bad take and I lost respect for Malcolm.
My take on the sentence that you’ve highlighted out of Jenkins statement is simply what it is. Jewish people are not part of the problems facing Black Americans (BLM and others) and Black Americans are not part of problems faced by Jewish people such as anti-semitism. Granted there are outliers here but by and large, over time, Jewish people have been very sympathetic and supportive of social issues that affect minorities in America and that this has been a two way street. I see Jenkins comment, “we aren’t their problem.”, as a counter to the comments quoted by DeSean made by Farrakhan.
 

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I don't have a huge problem with this actually. I'm still sorting through it, but I don't think it is nearly as dismissive of DeSean's egregious act as I think the public is saying.

The only part that's really questionable to me is this one sentence in his post..."Jewish people aren't our problem, and we aren't their problem"

I immediately read that as "we have no beef between our two communities", but I'm seeing that it can be interpreted as "Black people don't care about Jewish problems, and they don't care about our problems"...if he means the latter, then it's a pretty bad take and I lost respect for Malcolm.

His very next sentence is a major issue also.

"Let’s not lose focus on what the problem truly is, and that’s that black lives still don’t matter in this country."

I can't come up with any other way to read that besides Jenkins dismissing the entire thing as irrelevant and thus makes you believe that his statements are more of your second way of interpreting than the first. They're both problems.

You can focus on both. You can't stand on a platform of injustice and then look the other way and even go as far as partially dismissing another injustice without your message being hollow going forward.

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BrindamoursNose

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His very next sentence is a major issue also.

"Let’s not lose focus on what the problem truly is, and that’s that black lives still don’t matter in this country."

I can't come up with any other way to read that besides Jenkins dismissing the entire thing as irrelevant and thus makes you believe that his statements are more of your second way of interpreting than the first. They're both problems.

You can focus on both. You can't stand on a platform of injustice and then look the other way and even go as far as partially dismissing another injustice without your message being hollow going forward.

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I don't see that next sentence as a major issue, myself. I think it's being blown out of proportion.

After really taking more time to chew on it...I think people are spinning this intentionally out of bad faith. I think he acknowledged the big wrong in the situation and said it was wrong pretty bluntly.

I think if you take a second, you can understand what he's saying when he says "focus on the problem truly is, black lives still don't matter..." Relative to all societal, identity-based issues in this country, I think it's hard to argue we aren't in the midst of the black population being front-and-center and aiding their treatment in the country.

Obviously incidents of antisemitism are still happening (which is awful), but there's been a controversy surrounding DeSean's posts that shouldn't really be a controversy...It went from DeSean is an antisemite to "Because he's black, he can get away with it. SEE THE DOUBLE STANDARD! CUZ DESEAN IS BLACK! BREES SHOULDN'T APOLOGIZE FOR THE FLAG!"

Like I think Malcolm was trying to say: The media (alotta white writers, mind you) are spinning this to be a racial double standard and bringing it back to race & the kneeling protests.

Basically what I'm saying is: I think Malcolm, at-best, didn't overly show outrageous support for members of the Jewish community. He certainly didn't agree with DeSean and showed support of those harmed. People took that lack of overt support the Jewish community/berating DeSean and twisted it to have the BLM movement discredited (as Malcolm has been a top athletic leader during the protests/kneeling) & now pit the two groups against each other in the public eye.

It's an extremely complicated situation and I wish Malcolm had made it easier and DID do some overt support of the Jewish community in that post, but now he's being painted as a greedy SOB/fake social justice warrior...I think that's what many people want: discredit BLM.
 
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You can likely count on your hand the amount of Jewish players/coaches in the league. That’s another big reason Jackson won’t get blowback from his peers. It ultimately doesn’t concern the majority of them at best. Hell others might even agree.

I think we’re getting our top reason right here with the ones “speaking out” & those that aren’t. The ones that did comment would have been better off just not saying anything at all.

Edelman (who has Jewish heritage) is the only one that made any sense.
 
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