OT: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): Don't Cry Because It's Over, Smile Because it Happened (Offseason - 2023)

[Phillyfan28]

Wonder what the price for Swift is, is it a mid round or late round flier? Unless there’s a guy in the 3rd/4th they love, would use a 4 or 5 and take a chance

 

[Bigkarl]

How much do you think it'd take to get Howie to coach up Briere and Torts on how to run a draft? Because that was an absolute f***ing clinic last night. What an unbelievable outcome.

Trading up for Carter wasn't impossible i thought, but i figured he wouldn't make it past Chicago. That being who they moved up with, and for only a day 3 pick next year, is hard to believe. Nolan Smith falling to 30 is just unfathomable; i keep expecting there to be a report of some red flag about him that we didn't know about. If he only fell because of his size then i dunno, maybe other NFL teams are just run by stupid people.

Not that Howie doesn't deserve credit, but the board kind of broke perfectly for him. He didn't have to do much to land Carter thanks to the red flags on him, and Smith fell into their lap. Good on Howie for making the right picks. He seems to have mastered the art of allowing stupid teams to do stupid things and then capitalizing on the situation.

 

[GKJ]

Can't say I agree with the idea of not drafting and training the guy you think is going to be your next quarterback until you've already imploded, that feels like a surefire way to spin your wheels for decades trying and failing to find someone like the Browns, but to each their own.

What always happens though? The coaches get fired and bring in their own guys anyways. Quarterbacks need to be on the field. Look at what’s happening to Trey Lance. You don’t develop in practices, which as the season goes on are fake anyways.

Guys like Mahomes and Rodgers, who did sit, very obviously shouldn’t have, in fact it may have cost the Chiefs a third Super Bowl.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I just watched the video of the Lions war room going completely bonkers after drafting a dang RB at #12. Bad positional value and not even remotely a position of need for them. As bad as that pick was, that video made it somehow worse.

You might be onto something here.

 

[Chinatown88]

 

[snoop88]

Been watching some of the press conferences from other GMs in the top 10 and they are all getting peppered with questions about passing on Jalen. And they all seem to be very adamant that they weren’t comfortable with his character concerns reading between the lines.

I do believe the only reason we took him is because we’re coming off a SB so the front office and coaches have some leeway to make a pick like this and not have it cost them their jobs if it goes sideways.

Basically I think Howie and Nick know the red flags are real and are hoping we can fix him. But it’s definitely not a sure thing.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

1999 by Prince was playing on a continuous loop last night in Detroit’s draft room.

 

[deadhead]

Smith fell for good reasons, lack of production in college and injuries.
Now he probably shouldn't have fallen as far as he did, but 4-3 defenses were probably uncomfortable projecting him to LB, so only 3-4 teams would be interested in the 1st rd.
He's an intangibles/athleticism play, the kind you make in the later part of the 1st rd.

Carter is definitely a gamble, with tremendous upside.

BUt it's not like the Eagles are counting on him to make an impact on day 1, they do have Cox, Davis and Williams at DT. Williams averaged 24 snaps a game and still had 4 sacks and 9 TFL. He's no slouch.

 

[Chinatown88]

KEK

 

[swami24]

Probably nobody if it didn’t happen last night.

You are probably right. I was thinking someone might make a nice offer to the Chiefs, so they could make him a 1st rounder and retain the 5th year option.

I wonder what big money in Vegas pushed his odds from 40 to 1, to 4 to 1 yesterday to be the top pick?

 

[GKJ]

You are probably right. I was thinking someone might make a nice offer to the Chiefs, so they could make him a 1st rounder and retain the 5th year option.

I wonder what big money in Vegas pushed his odds from 40 to 1, to 4 to 1 yesterday to be the top pick?

They probably wanted to draw some money.

ESPN had some an analytic saying that Levis had like a 0.8% chance of lasting to 20OV. Like, you have analytics based on your own hype machine? How does that work?

 

[swami24]

Carter is definitely a gamble, with tremendous upside.

BUt it's not like the Eagles are counting on him to make an impact on day 1, they do have Cox, Davis and Williams at DT.

I think the key is to have Carter spend as much time with Cox and Graham as possible right away. Not to teach him the position, but to teach him how to be a professional. Bring in Michael Vick to teach him about the dangers of sudden money, and what happens if he doesn't grow up in a hurry.

 

[AndHeMissedTheNet]

They probably wanted to draw some money.

ESPN had some an analytic saying that Levis had like a 0.8% chance of lasting to 20OV. Like, you have analytics based on your own hype machine? How does that work?

Have you ever seen The Human Centipede?

 

[GKJ]

Have you ever seen The Human Centipede?

I have seen about it. I have limits.

 

[AndHeMissedTheNet]

I have seen about it. I have limits.

Well anyway i imagine it's something along those lines.

 

[deadhead]

I remember when I pointed out that Hurts had a similar performance in Oklahoma as Murray and Mayfield, both of whom had years to learn the offense, and people just pointed to him losing his job in Alabama to Tua, and ignored that Hurts was only 21 when he started in Oklahoma, younger than many drafted QBs. Hurts had become stereotyped as a college "running" QB.

A lot of these QB projections are based on size and arm strength and mis-interpretating college performance, where a QB on a talented team rarely faces NFL style pressure and coverage (i.e have to see the field and make quick decisions under pressure). I don't care if you complete 80% against the Little Sisters of the Poor, I want to see how you look against a top college defense when your first couple options aren't open by five yards.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

We ignored it because it was wrong. It's still wrong.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

@Captain Dave Poulin your boy Bo Nix.

 

[iceman42]

I just watched the video of the Lions war room going completely bonkers after drafting a dang RB at #12. Bad positional value and not even remotely a position of need for them. As bad as that pick was, that video made it somehow worse.

You might be onto something here.

The worse part about that was it was a pretty huge reach, he was a 29-37 range pick, picked at 12.

 

[Flybynite]

This is the owner asking his fanbase if they need to draft a backup to the #4 pick they just used on a QB to draft another QB with pick #35.

wtf... The analogy doesn't even make any sense. The 49ers drafted Montana in 1979. The Bucs drafted Young in 1984(Supplemental 1st overall for players signed/playing in the USFL at the time). Then he joined Tampa after one year in the USFL.

The 49ers traded a 2nd and 4th for Young in 1987. 8 years after drafting Montana.

 

[philly_28]

This is the owner asking his fanbase if they need to draft a backup to the #4 pick they just used on a QB to draft another QB with pick #35.

wtf... The analogy doesn't even make any sense. The 49ers drafted Montana in 1979. The Bucs drafted Young in 1984(Supplemental 1st overall for players signed/playing in the USFL at the time). Then he joined Tampa after one year in the USFL.

The 49ers traded a 2nd and 4th for Young in 1987. 8 years after drafting Montana.

It's Irsay. Let's be thankful that he was able to form a coherent thought. If it would have made any sense, that would have just been a bonus.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I CANNOT BELIEVE WE GOT JALEN CARTER AND IT ONLY COST A 4

Holy f***

But why trade up at all when it was just one spot and lose a 4th when everyone knew the Bears were going to select an offensive lineman?

Maybe I’m missing something.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

But why trade up at all when it was just one spot and lose a 4th when everyone knew the Bears were going to select an offensive lineman?

Maybe I’m missing something.

They had other offers to move down and were going to take one. But they preferred going to 10 because it guaranteed them Darnell Wright and the others didn't. Ryan Poles said this directly last night.

 

[Halladay]

But why trade up at all when it was just one spot and lose a 4th when everyone knew the Bears were going to select an offensive lineman?

Maybe I’m missing something.

There could have been another team that wanted to trade up to 9 knowing that the Eagles would take him at 10?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

@deadhead I don't know if you're familiar with this account, but it belongs to a former Eagles coach/scout. This is what I was trying to explain about Smith's run defending and why I think they wouldn't try him at WILL, at least at first.